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RE: Why UMass?
(04-26-2014 02:17 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(04-26-2014 08:40 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  First of all I do know that UMASS has a fine basketball history, but am not fully involved with it. In other words I don't follow them, so I do not know the recent success. If they are still a high level team in their conference how many basketball games would the SBC need to make it a fair trade? FBS football gives us an un-needed championship game but a wanted one by Benson. Is that a fair trade, or do they need to throw in six games a year with SBC teams on a home and home, or four, or what number? IMO six games seems a fair trade?

Anything less seems like a bad trade.
The deal with the MAC is four games in home and home deals with MAC schools per season, so on average two visits to the MAC and two games hosted by UMass.

As far as what makes a good trade, remember that adding UMass FB-only adds $1m to the CFP payout, so depending on how that is split up between the Sunbelt and UMass, there's also that money. If the Sunbelt kept $600,000 for a pure travel subsidy payout, that would be $150,000 for each visit to Massachusetts, added on top of whatever the CCG contract brings ... ESPN, FS1, CBSSN and NBCSN would seem the likely bidders for that contract, so it would at least bring fair media value.

(04-26-2014 12:23 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  I don't see how the MAC TV deal gets close to the CUSA TV deal ($1 million per school). I just don't see ESPN spending that kind of money on the MAC. But if the MAC did get a TV deal similar to CUSA, I would think that the SBC is in-line for a similar deal.
The MAC deal getting to around $1m a school wouldn't seem a stretch ~ the MAC traded off money for visibility in the last contract, and since they aren't going to push for more visibility, the gain in media value is all going to flow through on the money side of the deal.

Whether CUSA will be able to hold onto the kind of money it presently has is up in the air ~ its dropped in relative value, but the absolute value of live sports has continued to climb, so CUSA would be hoping that a rising tide lifts all boats.

The last paragraph is absolutely right, and I doubt they'll have a problem matching their current contract.
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RE: Why UMass?
What is the selling point to ESPN for the MAC? The MAC has visibility on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. So how does a one bid conference in basketball and a conference located in the Great Lakes region improve their revenue to one million per school with ESPN?

If the MAC goes with NBC or Fox or CBS, they may get the money, but they lose the ESPN visibility. Just ask CUSA how well that is working out. But at least CUSA has the CCG on ESPN. The MAC would not have that.

I think the rising tide has been at the P5 level and with a couple of basketball conferences. I think the MAC and SBC are undervalued, but I just don't think ESPN will give them a million per school. ESPN has too much content to pay that much.
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RE: Why UMass?
(04-26-2014 02:05 PM)esayem Wrote:  Me posting here may be random, but I've followed the FCS playoffs here and there the last ten years or so (I like the big playoff). Anyway I seem to remember Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, UMass, and Delaware being the big four programs in the east. I watched some great games so I think it would be pretty cool to have UMass in the fold, even if they can get back to the level of those teams they had.

Thank you. People trashing UMass have really short memories and don't know who Mark Whipple is. WKU took its lumps when they first moved up, they grew from it, and eventually were good enough to beat Kentucky. The school produced Marcel Shipp and Victor Cruz. I like adding them because they have a history with Georgia Southern. They traditionally were one of the better FCS schools on the East coast. I think Gillette stadium will be an asset that could get more SBC games televised down the road. They are a better add from nearly every angle (other than travel of course) than EKU, MSU, and Liberty.
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Depending on which way he squeezes the Charmin, was glad to see Coach Whipple return to UMass.
He is a heck of a coach, and has hired several UMass former stars that should be able to handle recruiting
for him.
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(04-25-2014 06:16 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  UMASS is not in play.

But, there are those "in the know" that say otherwise, L-22.
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(04-26-2014 07:23 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 06:16 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  UMASS is not in play.

But, there are those "in the know" that say otherwise, L-22.

As of now, I say the only schools not in play (for this year) are MSU, JMU, & EKU.
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(04-26-2014 07:54 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-26-2014 07:23 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 06:16 PM)Liberty22 Wrote:  UMASS is not in play.

But, there are those "in the know" that say otherwise, L-22.

As of now, I say the only schools not in play (for this year) are MSU, JMU, & EKU.

No FCS...so no Liberty. Looks like UMASS for football only and NMSU for all sports. I can live with that.
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I can see why folks think UMASS for football but I am not sure why y'all think NMSU comes in all sports. BTW I hope they do.
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I agree --- I don't think that UMass getting FB only invite automatically means NMSU gets all sports invite.

One could sensibly make the argument that UMass for FB only would only be for 2-4 years while an eastern all sports team gears up to get the invite (possibly Eastern Kentucky, Missouri St., Liberty or even JMU in a few years)
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(04-26-2014 09:37 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I agree --- I don't think that UMass getting FB only invite automatically means NMSU gets all sports invite.

One could sensibly make the argument that UMass for FB only would only be for 2-4 years while an eastern all sports team gears up to get the invite (possibly Eastern Kentucky, Missouri St., Liberty or even JMU in a few years)

I think the thought is that WKU was the primary one holding NMSU out. Now that WKU is on it's way out, that hurdle is removed.
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I guess one argument could be the western teams would vote in UMASS if the east brings in the rest of the Aggies sports.
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(04-27-2014 06:06 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I guess one argument could be the western teams would vote in UMASS if the east brings in the rest of the Aggies sports.

If the west schools hold the east schools hostage like that, then I don't know how long the east schools would wait before having enough and breaking off. Sounds potentially very combustible.
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(04-27-2014 07:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 06:06 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I guess one argument could be the western teams would vote in UMASS if the east brings in the rest of the Aggies sports.

If the west schools hold the east schools hostage like that, then I don't know how long the east schools would wait before having enough and breaking off. Sounds potentially very combustible.

That won't happen. Troy and USA wouldn't want to go to a weaker configuration.
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(04-27-2014 07:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 06:06 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I guess one argument could be the western teams would vote in UMASS if the east brings in the rest of the Aggies sports.

If the west schools hold the east schools hostage like that, then I don't know how long the east schools would wait before having enough and breaking off. Sounds potentially very combustible.

Compromise happens all the time. In other words "I will scratch your back if you scratch mine." I doubt the SunBelt would be the first conference that expanded in this manner.
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(04-27-2014 07:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 06:06 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I guess one argument could be the western teams would vote in UMASS if the east brings in the rest of the Aggies sports.

If the west schools hold the east schools hostage like that, then I don't know how long the east schools would wait before having enough and breaking off. Sounds potentially very combustible.

How would the east schools break off? Where would they go?

And you are forgetting that last season, the east (with apparently WKU as the lead) blocked NMSU all sports. So in essence, they were holding the west hostage.

It happens all the time. Schools want what is best for them, not necessarily what is best for the conference. Remember, there can be schools that aren't detrimental to the conference, but aren't the best option.
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(04-27-2014 02:05 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 07:58 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(04-27-2014 06:06 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  I guess one argument could be the western teams would vote in UMASS if the east brings in the rest of the Aggies sports.

If the west schools hold the east schools hostage like that, then I don't know how long the east schools would wait before having enough and breaking off. Sounds potentially very combustible.

How would the east schools break off? Where would they go?

And you are forgetting that last season, the east (with apparently WKU as the lead) blocked NMSU all sports. So in essence, they were holding the west hostage.

It happens all the time. Schools want what is best for them, not necessarily what is best for the conference. Remember, there can be schools that aren't detrimental to the conference, but aren't the best option.

There are plenty of opinions that think the G5 schools will realign and make better geographical conferences. That's where the eastern schools would go; to team up with other regional schools to make travel easier and hopefully have a tighter knit conference.

I have no doubts that there is compromise that happens between the schools. But other conferences have gotten things done and have done the expanding while the Sun Belt stays divided or gets shot down. The division in schools looks like a pretty obvious divide that in ten years time if they split we'd look back and say, "We should have seen this coming." We'll see if the Sun Belt can pull together and work as a conference and get an invite going or just flex their muscles at each other to try to outlast the other opinion.
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Liberty needs to worry about how to beat Presbyterian and how to replace VMI in the Big South.
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So basically a Liberty fan is saying the Sun Belt will break apart, and doom and gloom, if the SBC picks up UMass?
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Thanks for caring, TOPSTRAIGHT. Monmouth joins this fall and Kennesaw State the following year. And somehow I think we will find a way to beat the Hose.
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Why UMass?
I can't imagine what they say in a PC huddle, " Go Ho's" I guess.
Of course if you get beaten by them then you've been hosed.


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