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RE: Why UMass?
I will have to go back and listen to the video of our AD from about a month ago. He clearly said the membership voted to expand to 12. I am fairly sure he said the "goal was to get this done by June 1."
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(04-25-2014 03:56 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 03:08 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Yeah, first round of renovation is almost done and has been the a new Press/SkyBox, and a Football Training/Office/Booster Lounge/Viewing Deck building. The stadium is also getting all new paint, new paving of parking lots, new exterior gate around the stadium and other cosmetic upgrades.

From what I'm hearing our big boosters are in discussions with the university now for round two of renovations. Those will include increased seating in the South endzone, new permanent bathrooms, new concessions, and other upgrades. Hoping to get those started next year.

How is the football team going to be EZ?
Are there signs that your old coach coming back is going to make a difference?

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Whipple and his team that includes Marcel Shipp and Liam Coen know how to recruit. We're going to get better quickly.
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(04-25-2014 11:07 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 03:56 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 03:08 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Yeah, first round of renovation is almost done and has been the a new Press/SkyBox, and a Football Training/Office/Booster Lounge/Viewing Deck building. The stadium is also getting all new paint, new paving of parking lots, new exterior gate around the stadium and other cosmetic upgrades.

From what I'm hearing our big boosters are in discussions with the university now for round two of renovations. Those will include increased seating in the South endzone, new permanent bathrooms, new concessions, and other upgrades. Hoping to get those started next year.

How is the football team going to be EZ?
Are there signs that your old coach coming back is going to make a difference?

[Image: avatar7163_zps6ce73337.gif~original]

Whipple and his team that includes Marcel Shipp and Liam Coen know how to recruit. We're going to get better quickly.

He is really into UMass former stars. Imagine Shipp was the best football player ever at UMass and Coen was some QB. Always thought Shipp would win the Walter Payton award one of those years.
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(04-25-2014 02:18 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Man this has come 180 degrees around from when I first suggested it almost a year ago.
Back then got laughed at and not sure one poster agreed with the move.

Only bad thing about it is it being a temporary deal. Of course stranger things have happened
and could work out well for UMass and the SBC. We know that both sides will gripe about it
regardless, even if it works out well.

While we disagreed a great deal about EKU, I had your back on UMASS. I have always felt they would be a good add if the MAC tried to force them into full membership.
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(04-25-2014 04:33 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 04:24 PM)JSUFan Wrote:  How does this solve the issue of having a travel partner for App State?

Does not. Travel partner for App State not going to happen if this happens. Guess rest of the SBC doesn't care that much about it.

I never really saw it as an issue. The conference was going to take the best option they could get, regardless of location, and I think we all knew it. Even App. knew it.
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What are the chances we add UMASS and a Olympic only travel partner for APP? I know it's more complicated but when has this stuff made sense?
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(04-25-2014 11:32 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 11:07 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 03:56 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 03:08 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Yeah, first round of renovation is almost done and has been the a new Press/SkyBox, and a Football Training/Office/Booster Lounge/Viewing Deck building. The stadium is also getting all new paint, new paving of parking lots, new exterior gate around the stadium and other cosmetic upgrades.

From what I'm hearing our big boosters are in discussions with the university now for round two of renovations. Those will include increased seating in the South endzone, new permanent bathrooms, new concessions, and other upgrades. Hoping to get those started next year.

How is the football team going to be EZ?
Are there signs that your old coach coming back is going to make a difference?

[Image: avatar7163_zps6ce73337.gif~original]

Whipple and his team that includes Marcel Shipp and Liam Coen know how to recruit. We're going to get better quickly.

He is really into UMass former stars. Imagine Shipp was the best football player ever at UMass and Coen was some QB. Always thought Shipp would win the Walter Payton award one of those years.

Victor Cruz at this point is probably the best player from UMass ever.
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Just college career wise would go with Shipp over Cruz.
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(04-25-2014 04:33 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(04-25-2014 04:24 PM)JSUFan Wrote:  How does this solve the issue of having a travel partner for App State?

Does not. Travel partner for App State not going to happen if this happens. Guess rest of the SBC doesn't care that much about it.

James Madison becomes App St's travel partner in 4 years when the AAC grabs UMass in the next phase of realignment. If not JM then one of the proposed D1-AA schools should be ready to move up by then. This gives everyone involved a little breathing room. Maybe by then Army will join a conference again for FB only. Read on this board that there are plenty of Army bases in and around the Sunbelt. Four trips into the South are not uncommon for Army even at this time. Problem with Army though is that their choices would probably be AAC first, MAC second, then the Sunbelt.
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(04-25-2014 08:28 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  I kind of hope UMass gets in to the Sun Belt and does well (except they need to lose to any MAC teams they play except maybe Akron but that is a side story). I think that both UMass and the MAC split ways in the best way possible without it lingering on into a problem but I don't want their program to come to harm.


Is UMass joins the Sunbelt or is forced to go independent they should sign long term home and home contracts with Buffalo, Army, and Temple to cut down on travel and build NE rivalries. They should also rotate UConn, BC, and Rutgers through their schedule as often as possible too for the same reasons along with Syracuse and Pitt if they can get games with them too.

With those schools in place and the rotation of FCS schools like RI, NH, Maine, and Stoney Brook in place the Sunbelt move or forced independence after the MAC will not be bad at all for UMass travel wise.
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RE: Why UMass?
First of all I do know that UMASS has a fine basketball history, but am not fully involved with it. In other words I don't follow them, so I do not know the recent success. If they are still a high level team in their conference how many basketball games would the SBC need to make it a fair trade? FBS football gives us an un-needed championship game but a wanted one by Benson. Is that a fair trade, or do they need to throw in six games a year with SBC teams on a home and home, or four, or what number? IMO six games seems a fair trade?

Anything less seems like a bad trade.
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(04-26-2014 08:40 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  First of all I do know that UMASS has a fine basketball history, but am not fully involved with it. In other words I don't follow them, so I do not know the recent success. If they are still a high level team in their conference how many basketball games would the SBC need to make it a fair trade? FBS football gives us an un-needed championship game but a wanted one by Benson. Is that a fair trade, or do they need to throw in six games a year with SBC teams on a home and home, or four, or what number? IMO six games seems a fair trade?

Anything less seems like a bad trade.
Since 2006-7 season, we missed the NIT or NCAA three times, while DK was rebuilding the team. Last three season 20+ wins. Just a note the A10 maybe going to a 18 game conference schedule, but would not mind some BB games, we have some history with the Rage in the Cage.



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Your analysis of the Conf USA tv contract is as good as I have seen posted on one of these boards. I also, like the business side of college conferences. I have especially enjoyed learning about the issues that face the G5 conferences.

In relation to your thoughts about the next Conf USA contract, I think you raise some interesting and potentially troubling issues for Conf USA going forward in terms of its new contract. In particular the fact that CBS purchased AAC content this year instead of showing several Conf USA basketball matchups that it had the rights to should raise the eye brows of the Conf USA leadership. Also interesting, are the contracts that Conf USA signed with Fox and CBS in 2011 and 2010.

The current contract with Fox, for example, was signed in 2011, while UCF, ECU, Tulsa, Houston and Tulane were members of Conf USA. UCF, ECU, Tulsa and Houston, although not power teams, all have histories of being good solid mid major programs. In 2011, the market , Fox in this case, said that Conf USA was worth 7 million a year for football. How much of that worth was tied to Houston, UCF, ECU and Tulsa? Granted Southern Miss was an anchor school in Conf USA at the time and was and is a tremendous asset to the conference.

Also, the previous contract, before the one with Fox was signed in 2011, had belonged to ESPN. In 2005 ESPN paid roughly 21 million for Conf USA. ESPN sued Conf USA, because they claimed that had the right to match any deal by any new network that would bid for the tv rights of Conf USA in 2011. Fox doubled what ESPN had paid in the previous contract. What caused the bump in money from Fox? Is Fox willing to pay that amount again? Did their doubling of the ESPN contract pay off for Fox? Had Fox not placed a bid, is it reasonable to think that ESPN would have most likely paid a similar amount that they had in the previous contract. If precedence means anything, then the deal Conf USA signed with CBS in 2010, would indicate that ESPN would have paid roughly the same for the COnf USA tv contract it had in 2005.

Speaking of CBS , the deal that Conf USA signed with them 2010 was for about 7 million a year as well. This contract covers football, basketball and some other sports including baseball. In a SportsDaily news article dating back to 2010,( I will post the article below) the author quotes one source as saying that the 7 million figure showed essentially no increase in dollars from the previous 6 year deal Conf USA had signed with CBS before the new extensions. Remember this was at a time when conference payout structures from the networks were on the increase. Does the lack of raise from CBS over a 14 year period signal difficulty for CONf USA moving forward.

As stated earlier, of the real issues it seems to me for Conf USA going forward however, is that the conference replaced four perineal winning schools, and one school Tulane who has a potential great market in NO, with schools that earned very little while in the Sun Belt and teams and with teams that have had modest success in college sports. The real question going forward in terms of football is how much is ODU, Charlotte, North Texas, WKU, Middle Tenn , Fiu and FAU worth in terms of revenue to the tv networks. Couple this with the perception that Conf USA took a hit in competition in football, and you have a new contract that is going to be hard to predict its value. Food for thought.
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No doubt TooLAME was a negative in TV land. Small major market with almost zero local support. I think you are right on most of the rest. USM;however, was a total asset when that contract was put in place. Southern Miss always a good team capable of inflicting damage to powerful BCS teams made them a must see as opposed to who cares about TOOlame.
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(04-26-2014 08:51 AM)Steve1981 Wrote:  
(04-26-2014 08:40 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  First of all I do know that UMASS has a fine basketball history, but am not fully involved with it. In other words I don't follow them, so I do not know the recent success. If they are still a high level team in their conference how many basketball games would the SBC need to make it a fair trade? FBS football gives us an un-needed championship game but a wanted one by Benson. Is that a fair trade, or do they need to throw in six games a year with SBC teams on a home and home, or four, or what number? IMO six games seems a fair trade?

Anything less seems like a bad trade.
Since 2006-7 season, we missed the NIT or NCAA three times, while DK was rebuilding the team. Last three season 20+ wins. Just a note the A10 maybe going to a 18 game conference schedule, but would not mind some BB games, we have some history with the Rage in the Cage.



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I remember well the UMASS team that paid a visit to the CajunDome. We have a long way to go to compete with that team, and probably the current ones as well.

Losing our star early to the hoped for first round pick, but so far have a good class, and still a couple of players who could put us back in the NCAA.

Going to 18 would stress UMASS to schedule six SBC games but three a season would certainly seem doable.
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RE: Why UMass?
The case for UMASS is:

1. They are already FBS (which is what NMSU and Idaho had going for them).

2. They get the conference to a CCG and an opportunity to improve the current TV deal with ESPN.

3. They are a very good academic school (which you correctly point out is not helping Liberty).

4. The Boston market and home games at Foxborough. UMASS can get P5 schools to play at Foxborough.

The conference can play at 12 for football and 11 for olympic sports. Both the AAC and MWC will be at 12/11 in 2015.

Liberty is the only real FCS ready school at this point because they have the money. Everyone else is a pretender or hoax. FBS football will not get less expensive in the future. I think Liberty has geography and money going for them and I think they are still a very strong possibility to join the SBC.

I don't see how the MAC TV deal gets close to the CUSA TV deal ($1 million per school). I just don't see ESPN spending that kind of money on the MAC. But if the MAC did get a TV deal similar to CUSA, I would think that the SBC is in-line for a similar deal.

CUSA will be fortunate to match their current deal. ESPN does not need them for football and the basketball is nothing special. They are just a bunch of markets at this point. No better than the SBC or MAC.
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(04-26-2014 12:23 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  3. They are a very good academic school (which you correctly point out is not helping Liberty).

As good as UMass is academically, I don't think an associate football member carries much sway in determining how academically strong a conference is. It wouldn't hurt, but I don't think it would help all that much either.
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The next states over being in the TV/media link would include New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Vermont; in addition to obviously Massachusetts. Might get a bunch of hype if the Northeast football fans started following UMass games. The old North -vs- South thing. Could become lucrative for the Sun Belt and bring a much stronger fan base to UMass. Might make UMass the , hate to use this word, the darlings of the Northeast area of the country. Hype. Cannot hurt. Would potentially work as well in reverse also for the rest of the Sun Belt. Talk about potential, that could conceivably be one way to see potential realized. Believe future media contracts would be the winner for the entire SBC.
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Me posting here may be random, but I've followed the FCS playoffs here and there the last ten years or so (I like the big playoff). Anyway I seem to remember Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, UMass, and Delaware being the big four programs in the east. I watched some great games so I think it would be pretty cool to have UMass in the fold, even if they can get back to the level of those teams they had.
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(04-26-2014 08:40 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  First of all I do know that UMASS has a fine basketball history, but am not fully involved with it. In other words I don't follow them, so I do not know the recent success. If they are still a high level team in their conference how many basketball games would the SBC need to make it a fair trade? FBS football gives us an un-needed championship game but a wanted one by Benson. Is that a fair trade, or do they need to throw in six games a year with SBC teams on a home and home, or four, or what number? IMO six games seems a fair trade?

Anything less seems like a bad trade.
The deal with the MAC is four games in home and home deals with MAC schools per season, so on average two visits to the MAC and two games hosted by UMass.

As far as what makes a good trade, remember that adding UMass FB-only adds $1m to the CFP payout, so depending on how that is split up between the Sunbelt and UMass, there's also that money. If the Sunbelt kept $600,000 for a pure travel subsidy payout, that would be $150,000 for each visit to Massachusetts, added on top of whatever the CCG contract brings ... ESPN, FS1, CBSSN and NBCSN would seem the likely bidders for that contract, so it would at least bring fair media value.

(04-26-2014 12:23 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  I don't see how the MAC TV deal gets close to the CUSA TV deal ($1 million per school). I just don't see ESPN spending that kind of money on the MAC. But if the MAC did get a TV deal similar to CUSA, I would think that the SBC is in-line for a similar deal.
The MAC deal getting to around $1m a school wouldn't seem a stretch ~ the MAC traded off money for visibility in the last contract, and since they aren't going to push for more visibility, the gain in media value is all going to flow through on the money side of the deal.

Whether CUSA will be able to hold onto the kind of money it presently has is up in the air ~ its dropped in relative value, but the absolute value of live sports has continued to climb, so CUSA would be hoping that a rising tide lifts all boats.
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