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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 07:43 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 06:07 AM)GaSouthern Wrote:  Hopefully Idaho will go undefeated out of conference the next few years and the MWC will beg to take them, that's the best scenario for all involved IMO

Idaho is a state flagship school of pretty high academic standing and represents the whole state. It's just a small state so they dont have a lot of clout but they try to hang at the top level and like schools like Delaware and Rhode Island and North Dakota they dont have large numbers working in their favor. nobody seems to be pushing for any of the mac schools to drop down and some of them only have a few thousand at home football games...

Wrong.

Nobody can push for them to drop down because the MAC rewards mediocrity.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
I know I'm about to catch a lot of heat for this but after all that has happened I think it's time for a lot of teams to take a second look at FCS. There's only a handful of programs that can compete with strong P5 teams on a regular basis and most of those programs are in the AAC or MWC.

If CUSA, MAC, and the Sun Belt moved to FCS it seriously would not be the end of the world. It would actually make FCS interesting again to see teams like Georgia Southern and Marshall go at it for the national championship.

Just my opinion but right now all the SBC, CUSA, and MAC are doing is being cannon fodder and getting sent to low level bowl games. It was fun in the early 2000s because the conferences were a whole lot more balanced with the opportunity to move up.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-16-2014 12:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I know I'm about to catch a lot of heat for this but after all that has happened I think it's time for a lot of teams to take a second look at FCS. There's only a handful of programs that can compete with strong P5 teams on a regular basis and most of those programs are in the AAC or MWC.

If CUSA, MAC, and the Sun Belt moved to FCS it seriously would not be the end of the world. It would actually make FCS interesting again to see teams like Georgia Southern and Marshall go at it for the national championship.

Just my opinion but right now all the SBC, CUSA, and MAC are doing is being cannon fodder and getting sent to low level bowl games. It was fun in the early 2000s because the conferences were a whole lot more balanced with the opportunity to move up.

FCS is loser level football. I'm embarrassed my school plays in that level, who in there right mind would want to drop down to it.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-16-2014 12:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I know I'm about to catch a lot of heat for this but after all that has happened I think it's time for a lot of teams to take a second look at FCS. There's only a handful of programs that can compete with strong P5 teams on a regular basis and most of those programs are in the AAC or MWC.

If CUSA, MAC, and the Sun Belt moved to FCS it seriously would not be the end of the world. It would actually make FCS interesting again to see teams like Georgia Southern and Marshall go at it for the national championship.

Just my opinion but right now all the SBC, CUSA, and MAC are doing is being cannon fodder and getting sent to low level bowl games. It was fun in the early 2000s because the conferences were a whole lot more balanced with the opportunity to move up.

I think that is glass half empty. With the playoff, system there is reason to be optimistic. There was an opportunity for a split to occur... it didn't. The playoff system will expand when everyone sees the advantages and the hype. I foresee a time when all conference champions get an invite to the playoffs. The hype and $$$ generated would make an easy leap to 10 or even 16 teams. It would be good for all of FBS to the playoffs to evolve that way.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-16-2014 01:16 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 12:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I know I'm about to catch a lot of heat for this but after all that has happened I think it's time for a lot of teams to take a second look at FCS. There's only a handful of programs that can compete with strong P5 teams on a regular basis and most of those programs are in the AAC or MWC.

If CUSA, MAC, and the Sun Belt moved to FCS it seriously would not be the end of the world. It would actually make FCS interesting again to see teams like Georgia Southern and Marshall go at it for the national championship.

Just my opinion but right now all the SBC, CUSA, and MAC are doing is being cannon fodder and getting sent to low level bowl games. It was fun in the early 2000s because the conferences were a whole lot more balanced with the opportunity to move up.

I think that is glass half empty. With the playoff, system there is reason to be optimistic. There was an opportunity for a split to occur... it didn't. The playoff system will expand when everyone sees the advantages and the hype. I foresee a time when all conference champions get an invite to the playoffs. The hype and $$$ generated would make an easy leap to 10 or even 16 teams. It would be good for all of FBS to the playoffs to evolve that way.

I couldn't agree more. It would help make the recruiting field a little more level - even if so slightly. When a player knows that he could still have a chance to actually win a National Championship at an App State, he might decide to take that offer to start versus playing 2nd/3rd string and having to fit for a role at a VT or other AQ program. If he has NFL aspirations, he might get a chance to showcase his skills more and still have a shot to display them on the largest of FBS stages if he helps his team make those playoffs.

It is what is best for college football and the student athlete.
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Makes you wonder if an FBS playoff, whether the BCS teams participated or not, would be a
big revenue making mechanism for the G5 teams, in place of what is being set up now. Could
claim the NCAA football championship and still have one member participate in the current format.
16 teams would work nicely.
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(04-16-2014 02:06 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 01:16 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 12:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I know I'm about to catch a lot of heat for this but after all that has happened I think it's time for a lot of teams to take a second look at FCS. There's only a handful of programs that can compete with strong P5 teams on a regular basis and most of those programs are in the AAC or MWC.

If CUSA, MAC, and the Sun Belt moved to FCS it seriously would not be the end of the world. It would actually make FCS interesting again to see teams like Georgia Southern and Marshall go at it for the national championship.

Just my opinion but right now all the SBC, CUSA, and MAC are doing is being cannon fodder and getting sent to low level bowl games. It was fun in the early 2000s because the conferences were a whole lot more balanced with the opportunity to move up.

I think that is glass half empty. With the playoff, system there is reason to be optimistic. There was an opportunity for a split to occur... it didn't. The playoff system will expand when everyone sees the advantages and the hype. I foresee a time when all conference champions get an invite to the playoffs. The hype and $$$ generated would make an easy leap to 10 or even 16 teams. It would be good for all of FBS to the playoffs to evolve that way.

I couldn't agree more. It would help make the recruiting field a little more level - even if so slightly. When a player knows that he could still have a chance to actually win a National Championship at an App State, he might decide to take that offer to start versus playing 2nd/3rd string and having to fit for a role at a VT or other AQ program. If he has NFL aspirations, he might get a chance to showcase his skills more and still have a shot to display them on the largest of FBS stages if he helps his team make those playoffs.

It is what is best for college football and the student athlete.

We'll see what happens with the athletes being considered employees. There could be a lot of reclassifications of schools if the ruling is still upheld.
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Re: RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-16-2014 12:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I know I'm about to catch a lot of heat for this but after all that has happened I think it's time for a lot of teams to take a second look at FCS. There's only a handful of programs that can compete with strong P5 teams on a regular basis and most of those programs are in the AAC or MWC.

If CUSA, MAC, and the Sun Belt moved to FCS it seriously would not be the end of the world. It would actually make FCS interesting again to see teams like Georgia Southern and Marshall go at it for the national championship.

Just my opinion but right now all the SBC, CUSA, and MAC are doing is being cannon fodder and getting sent to low level bowl games. It was fun in the early 2000s because the conferences were a whole lot more balanced with the opportunity to move up.

This is a journey. What we were in the 1990's is not what we were in the early 2000's. What we were in the early 2000's is not what we are now.

The complaint is we are not able to compete regularly with P5. But in the 1990's the idea of indoor practice facilities, turf, end-zone football complexes, big screen video boards, televised games, and 4 bowl tie-ins, etc. seemed unimaginable.

This is about advancing our schools and programs. FBS has done that. FCS not so much. Judge by where you have come from...not where they are.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
I think some people are pretty unrealistic about FCS football. If it were such a death trap there would be a stampede to get out either moving up or dropping football.

I've not updated my numbers but until a few years ago, FBS was growing at a much slower pace than Division I overall.
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(04-16-2014 10:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  I think some people are pretty unrealistic about FCS football. If it were such a death trap there would be a stampede to get out either moving up or dropping football.

I've not updated my numbers but until a few years ago, FBS was growing at a much slower pace than Division I overall.

True. The past couple years that have been quite a few schools starting up football in the FCS ranks down to the NAIA. More are realizing that even FCS football is viable.
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(04-16-2014 01:16 AM)GoAppsGo92 Wrote:  
(04-16-2014 12:09 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I know I'm about to catch a lot of heat for this but after all that has happened I think it's time for a lot of teams to take a second look at FCS. There's only a handful of programs that can compete with strong P5 teams on a regular basis and most of those programs are in the AAC or MWC.

If CUSA, MAC, and the Sun Belt moved to FCS it seriously would not be the end of the world. It would actually make FCS interesting again to see teams like Georgia Southern and Marshall go at it for the national championship.

Just my opinion but right now all the SBC, CUSA, and MAC are doing is being cannon fodder and getting sent to low level bowl games. It was fun in the early 2000s because the conferences were a whole lot more balanced with the opportunity to move up.

I think that is glass half empty. With the playoff, system there is reason to be optimistic. There was an opportunity for a split to occur... it didn't. The playoff system will expand when everyone sees the advantages and the hype. I foresee a time when all conference champions get an invite to the playoffs. The hype and $$$ generated would make an easy leap to 10 or even 16 teams. It would be good for all of FBS to the playoffs to evolve that way.

I see an eight team play off with the four highest rated G5 playing in for ten teams. So last year Fresno State would play Marshall and Ball State vs UCF. The winners would play at the top two P5 teams. This gives nine conferences spots with an at large team in the P5. Also G5 schools get an almost impossible route to a championship. The P5 will be guaranteed six spots and get to beat up a already worn out G5. Play conference championship then a tough game vs another champion . Win and go play number one or two in the country. Meanwhile Alabama or whoever rest and plays at home.

Does that not sound like the NCAA
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
Would think Idaho would be rooting for UMass to be accepted FB only.
Would make their continued inclusion more of a justifiable thing for the SBC.
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Seems we are still headed toward a 12th football team not toward downsizing and getting to 10.
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(04-16-2014 10:33 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Seems we are still headed toward a 12th football team not toward downsizing and getting to 10.

Exactly. I'm not sure why throwing Idaho out makes sense at this point, given that the SBC is struggling to get to 12.
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NMSU has a better football stadium. We are installing the field turf before the season. NMSU also has Aggie Vision, which is going to HD next season. What does Idaho have?
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(04-19-2014 08:53 PM)nmsuaggies Wrote:  NMSU has a better football stadium. We are installing the field turf before the season. NMSU also has Aggie Vision, which is going to HD next season. What does Idaho have?

Idaho has made more upgrades to the dome than NMSU has. We upgraded to a professional grade turf years ago, and although the dome's capacity isn't impressive the locker rooms, weight rooms, rehab facilities and team spaces are easily on par, if not better than any midmajor program in addition to some gems like a state of the art hydrotherapy pool and they have all been renovated in the past 10 years. If you ever get a tour it it pretty surprising how nice they are compared to the dome. Even the dome is being improved with (I believe) the SBC's largest video screen installed last year, suites and luxury seating and the panels let in a lot of natural light. It's not Jerry's world, but it is light years ahead of where it was when I started at UI.
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(04-19-2014 08:53 PM)nmsuaggies Wrote:  NMSU has a better football stadium. We are installing the field turf before the season. NMSU also has Aggie Vision, which is going to HD next season. What does Idaho have?

I don't think any Vandal fans hope for NMSU to fail.
The question is must because both are football only .

NMSU is contiguous to the SBC West But 600 miles from the current farthest West team Texas State. Idaho can do nothing about the geography . Expanding the dome can silence all but the most unreasonable critic's.

The dome if expanded to 25-26 thousand with the dig down would be awesome. The cost would be around 30-35 million so it is not out of reach. Building a new dome of similar size would be in excess of 150 million . So Idaho is closer to having really nice facilities than most realize.

Talk is cheap and so are plans unless you execute them . Idaho fans dream of the day facilities are no longer an issue.
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Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
Idaho has to find a way into the MWC, where they would belong in FBS. To do that, they need a serious commitment to competing at the FBS level. Invest in facilities, invest in the programs. If not, the Big Sky has a standing invite at FCS.

Idaho has a fine fan base; but like Wazzu, their fans have a lot of travel to get to the games. It's a tough trip from the population centers of Idaho up to Moscow. It's a long drive from Seattle to Wazzu. Until you've been to the Palouse, you really have no idea what these schools are up against. The difference is that WSU is making investments and Idaho is only making plans. That must change for UI to get a MWC invite.

For now, the SBC needs established FBS schools -- at least until AppSt and GaSo make their full transition to FBS. And Idaho needs a conference. It's a marriage made in heaven, but the divorce is inevitable. Idaho needs to be ready for that day, ready for the MWC.
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(04-20-2014 03:11 PM)Journeyman22 Wrote:  Idaho has to find a way into the MWC, where they would belong in FBS. To do that, they need a serious commitment to competing at the FBS level. Invest in facilities, invest in the programs. If not, the Big Sky has a standing invite at FCS.

Idaho has a fine fan base; but like Wazzu, their fans have a lot of travel to get to the games. It's a tough trip from the population centers of Idaho up to Moscow. It's a long drive from Seattle to Wazzu. Until you've been to the Palouse, you really have no idea what these schools are up against. The difference is that WSU is making investments and Idaho is only making plans. That must change for UI to get a MWC invite.

For now, the SBC needs established FBS schools -- at least until AppSt and GaSo make their full transition to FBS. And Idaho needs a conference. It's a marriage made in heaven, but the divorce is inevitable. Idaho needs to be ready for that day, ready for the MWC.

Wazzu gets millions in PAC 12 money.
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(04-14-2014 12:27 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 08:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  1. Kibbie Dome. (when you had to 'borrow' Wash. St. stadium to qualify for FBS and still haven done any stadium expansion to get to 25K at minimum that's a big tell tale sign you are not FBS worthy)
2. Attendance. Even at 16k capacity you didn't sell out your tiny stadium. There some tickets sold but the crowd on TV showed around 6k.

Either start breaking ground on a stadium for FBS or go down to FCS.
Idaho is by no means that only one that should drop down. Eastern Michigan should drop down also....they even had worse attendance than Idaho. Performance on the field doesn't mean anything if you can't bring in the crowd. And if UMass can't get it together, they should drop back down also.

Here's the thing though: How can Idaho justify a 25K stadium when a P5 school can't hit capacity 6 miles away? Wazzu would barely fill a 25K stadium with their attendance figures. MWC schools struggle to hit 60% capacity with 30K+ stadiums. Idaho could certainly use 9K more seats for bigger games, needs they to work out other issues before worrying about looking good on paper.

But for what it's worth, they have plans to expand to 27K. Who knows when it'll actually happen.

If Idaho doesn't have enough confidence in themselves, then should anyone else have that confidence in them.
You have to get a larger stadium in order to grow the program. Justifying why you might fail assures failure.
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