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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 09:18 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  Similar boat Lamar is in. Lamar has the size, money, and sports to fit in the SBC.
Beaumont MSA is bigger than most SBC msa. Beaumont 1 hour drive from nation 4th largest city.
Lamar sits nearly half way between Texas st and UL. Perfect fit? no, Lamar is too far west as is Idaho too far west.

Lamar would be 4th or 5th fiddle in Houston sports. You are also struggling in the Southland. Also have a small stadium you aren't filling up. Roughly around 50th in FCS attendance. Which is 9th in Division II.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
I think most in the SBC don't really care if Idaho plays in FCS or FBS, but just do not like having to travel that far for a conference game. NMSU is much easier for the western members to travel to because of the airport at El Paso has numerous flights that come in from Houston (IAH).

If I were a Idaho fan, I think I would be asking the question about where they belong though. It would seem that playing in the Big Sky Conference would make a lot more sense, given the geography.
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"You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."
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(04-14-2014 11:15 AM)The Black Flag Wrote:  "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

As much as I hate Ga South I have to admit the numbers on your helmets are awesome. Off topic but was looking at your sig.
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(04-14-2014 11:17 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:15 AM)The Black Flag Wrote:  "You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

As much as I hate Ga South I have to admit the numbers on your helmets are awesome. Off topic but was looking at your sig.

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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 11:14 AM)CW Fishman Wrote:  I think most in the SBC don't really care if Idaho plays in FCS or FBS, but just do not like having to travel that far for a conference game. NMSU is much easier for the western members to travel to because of the airport at El Paso has numerous flights that come in from Houston (IAH).

If I were a Idaho fan, I think I would be asking the question about where they belong though. It would seem that playing in the Big Sky Conference would make a lot more sense, given the geography.

you are right. Idaho has nothing in common with any sbc schools and is too far removed geographically to ever develop rivalries with any. they and their fans and supporters should just ramp up the pressure on the mwc to take them in..I am not bashing them but the mwc or another western conf. would be the best fit for them. I think nmsu can make something out of a sbc membership because they are closer and recruit in texas and have a history with several sbc schools. If we could get them for all sports and mo state we would have a nice western division.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-13-2014 07:05 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Just curious. Idaho always gets flack for staying in the FBS, but I never see people giving it to New Mexico State.

Well, for starters, NM St has an on-campus, and actually pretty nice OCS that seats over 30,000. Idaho has the Kibbie Dome, which seats less for football than many programs seat for basketball.
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(04-13-2014 07:09 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 07:05 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  Just curious. Idaho always gets flack for staying in the FBS, but I never see people giving it to New Mexico State.
Better geography for New Mexico State I guess? Their proximity to Texas. They border Texas and Texas border's Louisiana etc.

Geography and the Kibbie Dome

NMSU has an approrpriate stadium for FBS football, is a plausible member for all sports (some would say desirable), and is considered to be a potential rival for at least one of our programs. NMSU can also leverage its Sun Belt membership for enhanced recruiting (NMSU recruits in the SBC footprint).

I don't think there is a single poster on this forum that wishes Idaho ill. But I'm not aware of any non-Idaho posters that actually want Idaho in the conference. I'd be very happy for Idaho and NMSU if the MWC decided to go to 14 and took both of them. We know that isn't likely to happen.

Idaho can help their case by doing something about their inappropriate stadium and their football success profile. Both of those actions are made more difficult by at least the perception that Idaho's tenure in FBS is very tenuous. Idaho is in a bad situation.
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I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 11:02 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 09:18 AM)SHWISH Wrote:  Similar boat Lamar is in. Lamar has the size, money, and sports to fit in the SBC.
Beaumont MSA is bigger than most SBC msa. Beaumont 1 hour drive from nation 4th largest city.
Lamar sits nearly half way between Texas st and UL. Perfect fit? no, Lamar is too far west as is Idaho too far west.

Lamar would be 4th or 5th fiddle in Houston sports. You are also struggling in the Southland. Also have a small stadium you aren't filling up. Roughly around 50th in FCS attendance. Which is 9th in Division II.

Lamar isn't even on the radar in Houston. Beaumont/Port Arthur/Lake Charles is its own media market. SHSU has a much higher profile than Lamar in Houston. I'm talking about orders of magnitude.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.
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(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.

They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 11:57 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.

They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.

Not actual attendance though. Varied between 6 to 10k with butts in seat.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
(04-14-2014 12:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:57 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.

They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.

Not actual attendance though. Varied between 6 to 10k with butts in seat.

That's a problem.
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(04-14-2014 08:52 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 12:27 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 08:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  1. Kibbie Dome. (when you had to 'borrow' Wash. St. stadium to qualify for FBS and still haven done any stadium expansion to get to 25K at minimum that's a big tell tale sign you are not FBS worthy)
2. Attendance. Even at 16k capacity you didn't sell out your tiny stadium. There some tickets sold but the crowd on TV showed around 6k.

Either start breaking ground on a stadium for FBS or go down to FCS.
Idaho is by no means that only one that should drop down. Eastern Michigan should drop down also....they even had worse attendance than Idaho. Performance on the field doesn't mean anything if you can't bring in the crowd. And if UMass can't get it together, they should drop back down also.

Here's the thing though: How can Idaho justify a 25K stadium when a P5 school can't hit capacity 6 miles away? Wazzu would barely fill a 25K stadium with their attendance figures. MWC schools struggle to hit 60% capacity with 30K+ stadiums. Idaho could certainly use 9K more seats for bigger games, needs they to work out other issues before worrying about looking good on paper.

But for what it's worth, they have plans to expand to 27K. Who knows when it'll actually happen.

I don't think you saw WSU attendance figures last year. Their upgraded stadium has 33K capacity and averaged 29,737. They are actually upgrading the press box and club suites which I think was just completed.
Idaho has always had 'plans'. If Idaho was really serious about stay FBS they would actually have put in $$ into their facilites regardless, becasue that is what is necessary to be in this level. As for MWC schools, at least they have FBS stadiums and there are some schools preparing to build new stadiums.
Eastern Michigan...God love them, with their pitful 4k average attendance at least put $$ in a 30K stadium. I am calling for them to move down the FCS.

Idaho touted an expansion of the Kibbie Dome in the fall of 2012. That was the last time I heard anything mentioned about upgrades. Idaho likes to talk which is very cheap. In Las Cruces the local High School Football stadium holds 12,000 for comparison to the Kibbie.
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RE: Why are people calling for Idaho to drop down and not NMSU?
My thoughts.

1. Idaho has a viable option were they to go FCS. The Big Sky is ready and willing to take the Vandals and there are some games to be played in the Big Sky that will sell more tickets than playing Sun Belt Schools. Future schedules show only one game vs. Washington State or Boise State the two nearest schools of interest in FBS. NMSU has no viable FCS option. NMSU has long-term scheduling with UTEP and New Mexico.

2. Idaho is not a viable full member for the Sun Belt. From a marketing standpoint, it is to the advantage of the league as a whole as well as the membership individually to have schedules in the various sports that are similar. NMSU's best sports are the sports not in the Sun Belt. While travel to Las Cruces isn't great, it is viable and NMSU can improve the quality and perception of the Sun Belt in men's and women's basketball, baseball, and volleyball.
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Sounds like Idaho is also too close to Wazzu. They need to be a more attractive draw, but
that is extremely hard when you are going up against a Pac-12 football team.
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(04-14-2014 12:30 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 12:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:57 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.

They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.

Not actual attendance though. Varied between 6 to 10k with butts in seat.

That's a problem.

(04-14-2014 01:07 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Sounds like Idaho is also too close to Wazzu. They need to be a more attractive draw, but
that is extremely hard when you are going up against a Pac-12 football team.

Sounds very similar to some of the problems GaState is having. Low attendance, trying to grow in the shadow of some P5 power house programs. Uphill battle for both programs.
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(04-14-2014 08:52 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 12:27 AM)dmacfour Wrote:  
(04-13-2014 08:07 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  1. Kibbie Dome. (when you had to 'borrow' Wash. St. stadium to qualify for FBS and still haven done any stadium expansion to get to 25K at minimum that's a big tell tale sign you are not FBS worthy)
2. Attendance. Even at 16k capacity you didn't sell out your tiny stadium. There some tickets sold but the crowd on TV showed around 6k.

Either start breaking ground on a stadium for FBS or go down to FCS.
Idaho is by no means that only one that should drop down. Eastern Michigan should drop down also....they even had worse attendance than Idaho. Performance on the field doesn't mean anything if you can't bring in the crowd. And if UMass can't get it together, they should drop back down also.

Here's the thing though: How can Idaho justify a 25K stadium when a P5 school can't hit capacity 6 miles away? Wazzu would barely fill a 25K stadium with their attendance figures. MWC schools struggle to hit 60% capacity with 30K+ stadiums. Idaho could certainly use 9K more seats for bigger games, needs they to work out other issues before worrying about looking good on paper.

But for what it's worth, they have plans to expand to 27K. Who knows when it'll actually happen.

I don't think you saw WSU attendance figures last year. Their upgraded stadium has 33K capacity and averaged 29,737. They are actually upgrading the press box and club suites which I think was just completed.
Idaho has always had 'plans'. If Idaho was really serious about stay FBS they would actually have put in $$ into their facilites regardless, becasue that is what is necessary to be in this level. As for MWC schools, at least they have FBS stadiums and there are some schools preparing to build new stadiums.
Eastern Michigan...God love them, with their pitful 4k average attendance at least put $$ in a 30K stadium. I am calling for them to move down the FCS.

That includes a "home" game in Seattle. Attendance at Martin Stadium was 27K.
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(04-14-2014 12:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:57 AM)asupatch Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(04-14-2014 11:45 AM)asupatch Wrote:  I actually kind of like the Kibbie. Look forward to seeing it once before Idaho moves. I like weird little stadiums though. Very unique.

Minor league baseball stadiums can be quite enchanting too. But lets be clear, you need more than 16k seats to compete at the FBS level. And does Idaho actually fill that thing up for every game (I'm talking about real, not announced attendance)? Just curious.



They averaged 14k last year so pretty darn close.

Not actual attendance though. Varied between 6 to 10k with butts in seat.

Did you attend these game or are just throwing out a guess?
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