(03-16-2014 12:03 PM)Franko Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 11:16 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 10:37 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 10:22 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I'm just saying that is where people get it from. You act like some damn grammar nazi about it.

Grammar is important when what you label something is inaccurate and can cause confusion. "First four out" does not mean the four teams that just missed the bracket as I clearly described in my previous post. "Out" implies that you are coming from the bottom of the list. "In" implies that you are coming from the top of the list.

You are way overthinking this. First four out makes sense to me. As in they are the first(or top) 4 teams left out of the tournament. Bottom line is you know what they mean.

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Thank you, I have been reading this thread and thought the same thing. As long as you know what is implied this "ain't" an English class. I mean you can break down just about any thread and look for spelling and grammatical errors like ending sentences with prepositions. Just let it go.
Let's talk about LaTech and USM's chances at a bid. The chances are slim since it's mostly about getting the mediocre Power6 teams in anyway. CUSA is at a disadvantage period.

But that's just it. It is confusing to many. When they switched from using "Last four out" to "First four out" a few years ago, I was confused as hell for a brief while. I don't understand why they changed it.

At least some people like Warren Nolan have stuck with the proper terminology.

Let me attempt a better scenario.

Draw a circle in the dirt.
Place 80 rocks in the circle.
Remove one rock.
Remove another rock.
Remove a third rock.
Which rock is the first rock out?
Which rock is the last rock out?

LA Tech had two "bad" losses this year: ULL & ECU. Well, one of those teams --ULL-- just made the NCAA tournament, and finished their season 23-11, and capped it with a 82-81 win over GA State for the Sunbelt championship.

(03-16-2014 04:14 PM)HogDawg Wrote:  LA Tech had two "bad" losses this year: ULL & ECU. Well, one of those teams --ULL-- just made the NCAA tournament, and finished their season 23-11, and capped it with a 82-81 win over GA State for the Sunbelt championship.

If Southern Miss doesn't get in, I hope Tech does. I don't think we both get in.

Good luck southern miss

If USM doesn't get in, there is no way in hell La Tech is getting in.

(03-16-2014 03:19 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 12:03 PM)Franko Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 11:16 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 10:37 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 10:22 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I'm just saying that is where people get it from. You act like some damn grammar nazi about it.

Grammar is important when what you label something is inaccurate and can cause confusion. "First four out" does not mean the four teams that just missed the bracket as I clearly described in my previous post. "Out" implies that you are coming from the bottom of the list. "In" implies that you are coming from the top of the list.

You are way overthinking this. First four out makes sense to me. As in they are the first(or top) 4 teams left out of the tournament. Bottom line is you know what they mean.

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Thank you, I have been reading this thread and thought the same thing. As long as you know what is implied this "ain't" an English class. I mean you can break down just about any thread and look for spelling and grammatical errors like ending sentences with prepositions. Just let it go.
Let's talk about LaTech and USM's chances at a bid. The chances are slim since it's mostly about getting the mediocre Power6 teams in anyway. CUSA is at a disadvantage period.

But that's just it. It is confusing to many. When they switched from using "Last four out" to "First four out" a few years ago, I was confused as hell for a brief while. I don't understand why they changed it.

At least some people like Warren Nolan have stuck with the proper terminology.

Let me attempt a better scenario.

Draw a circle in the dirt.
Place 80 rocks in the circle.
Remove one rock.
Remove another rock.
Remove a third rock.
Which rock is the first rock out?
Which rock is the last rock out?

But if you do it the opposite way, does the terminology change? If I put 37 rocks in your circle, and have 38-80 lined up in order, is rock 38 not the first one out of the circle?

(03-16-2014 05:13 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 03:19 PM)Funslinger Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 12:03 PM)Franko Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 11:16 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(03-16-2014 10:37 AM)Funslinger Wrote:  Grammar is important when what you label something is inaccurate and can cause confusion. "First four out" does not mean the four teams that just missed the bracket as I clearly described in my previous post. "Out" implies that you are coming from the bottom of the list. "In" implies that you are coming from the top of the list.

You are way overthinking this. First four out makes sense to me. As in they are the first(or top) 4 teams left out of the tournament. Bottom line is you know what they mean.

.
Thank you, I have been reading this thread and thought the same thing. As long as you know what is implied this "ain't" an English class. I mean you can break down just about any thread and look for spelling and grammatical errors like ending sentences with prepositions. Just let it go.
Let's talk about LaTech and USM's chances at a bid. The chances are slim since it's mostly about getting the mediocre Power6 teams in anyway. CUSA is at a disadvantage period.

But that's just it. It is confusing to many. When they switched from using "Last four out" to "First four out" a few years ago, I was confused as hell for a brief while. I don't understand why they changed it.

At least some people like Warren Nolan have stuck with the proper terminology.

Let me attempt a better scenario.

Draw a circle in the dirt.
Place 80 rocks in the circle.
Remove one rock.
Remove another rock.
Remove a third rock.
Which rock is the first rock out?
Which rock is the last rock out?

But if you do it the opposite way, does the terminology change? If I put 37 rocks in your circle, and have 38-80 lined up in order, is rock 38 not the first one out of the circle?

Where was the rock before it was moved? Remember, all rocks start either in or out of the circle. If it was in the circle and then moved out it would be the last rock out. If it was out of the circle and then moved in, it would be the last rock in.

Each rock has two valid labels. The #1 rock is either the first rock in or the last rock not out. #2 is the second rock in or the next to last rock not out. #68 is the last rock in or the last rock not out. #69 is the last rock out or the first rock not in. #349 is the first rock out or the last rock not in. It all depends on where you started (all rocks in or all rocks out). Either designation is accurate.