I think CUSA will shoot for 16. If Comcast/NBC got the CUSA deal JMU and UMass would have been high on Bankowsky list because of CSN-Mid Atlantic and CSN-New England or maybe even Buffalo because of Time-Warner Sports Channel.

I've said all along that the SBC 12th is not the last spot and believe firmly that the shifting is far from over. Which is why I believe JMU will not take the SBC slot at this time. But who knows.

TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

(03-19-2014 11:01 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

There is no guarantee that ASU would take a CUSA invite at this point. Our administration is a very different cat when it comes to realignment. We'll only move if we feel the move will increase our exposure and our chances at being the BCS buster. We might take it...but unlike ULL, we are far from a sure thing. Its a much harder sell to fans that CUSA is a better league...too many former SBC Teams that we beat a ton playing over there.

You also need to consider that at this point in time, CUSA's Presidents do not want to go to 16. Bankowsky has tried several times, but he doesn't have support.

(03-19-2014 11:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 11:01 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

There is no guarantee that ASU would take a CUSA invite at this point. Our administration is a very different cat when it comes to realignment. We'll only move if we feel the move will increase our exposure and our chances at being the BCS buster. We might take it...but unlike ULL, we are far from a sure thing. Its a much harder sell to fans that CUSA is a better league...too many former SBC Teams that we beat a ton playing over there.

You also need to consider that at this point in time, CUSA's Presidents do not want to go to 16. Bankowsky has tried several times, but he doesn't have support.

So you'd rather beat a bunch of teams we have no history with? I hope we go if ULL is gone...

(03-19-2014 11:51 AM)Redwolves06 Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 11:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 11:01 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

There is no guarantee that ASU would take a CUSA invite at this point. Our administration is a very different cat when it comes to realignment. We'll only move if we feel the move will increase our exposure and our chances at being the BCS buster. We might take it...but unlike ULL, we are far from a sure thing. Its a much harder sell to fans that CUSA is a better league...too many former SBC Teams that we beat a ton playing over there.

You also need to consider that at this point in time, CUSA's Presidents do not want to go to 16. Bankowsky has tried several times, but he doesn't have support.

So you'd rather beat a bunch of teams we have no history with? I hope we go if ULL is gone...

Personally? I have no interest in competing against most of the teams in CUSA. I've always seen ASU as more aligned with the current SBC Teams than I have everyone in CUSA outside of MTSU and WKU.

I think ASU probably would move...just because I don't think our administration particularly cares for Karl Benson right now...but I am far from convinced that its a sure thing.

(03-19-2014 11:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 11:01 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

There is no guarantee that ASU would take a CUSA invite at this point. Our administration is a very different cat when it comes to realignment. We'll only move if we feel the move will increase our exposure and our chances at being the BCS buster. We might take it...but unlike ULL, we are far from a sure thing. Its a much harder sell to fans that CUSA is a better league...too many former SBC Teams that we beat a ton playing over there.

You also need to consider that at this point in time, CUSA's Presidents do not want to go to 16. Bankowsky has tried several times, but he doesn't have support.

Not buying it! You have the same representative talking to Britton Banowsky as UL, ASU's intentions are well known chief. If your buying that line from your administration, then you will probably buy anything. Astate is going to take a CUSA invitation just as quickly as UL if offered. Giving the opportunity to join UL in CUSA if offered or stay in the SBC and wait for the latest group of newbies to qualify for FBS status, ASU will be gone tomorrow.

(03-19-2014 11:51 AM)Redwolves06 Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 11:36 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 11:01 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

There is no guarantee that ASU would take a CUSA invite at this point. Our administration is a very different cat when it comes to realignment. We'll only move if we feel the move will increase our exposure and our chances at being the BCS buster. We might take it...but unlike ULL, we are far from a sure thing. Its a much harder sell to fans that CUSA is a better league...too many former SBC Teams that we beat a ton playing over there.

You also need to consider that at this point in time, CUSA's Presidents do not want to go to 16. Bankowsky has tried several times, but he doesn't have support.

So you'd rather beat a bunch of teams we have no history with? I hope we go if ULL is gone...

The 1986 1-AA Championship game would like to have a word.

I appreciate the rumor but not hearing such.

The info on WKU/Fox is a touch off. The Fox deal always broke the contract, ESPN just eventually elected to quit giving WKU a waiver.

As for the stuff about WKU being "in" with ESPN, that's wishful thinking. I know several AState alums working for ESPN and ESPN traditionally hires around 20 AState students to help with the Liberty Bowl coverage. That's all nice but that's no an "in".

(03-19-2014 01:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I appreciate the rumor but not hearing such.

The info on WKU/Fox is a touch off. The Fox deal always broke the contract, ESPN just eventually elected to quit giving WKU a waiver.

As for the stuff about WKU being "in" with ESPN, that's wishful thinking. I know several AState alums working for ESPN and ESPN traditionally hires around 20 AState students to help with the Liberty Bowl coverage. That's all nice but that's no an "in".

They are not hired by ESPN...they are hired by a production company who is in charge of producing the ESPN broadcast for that game. ASU has more of an in with that production company because they do a lot of ESPN games in the area.

We're not contacted directly by ESPN, unless things have changed in the past few years. Biggest success we had as a department was getting an intern hired in Bristol a few years ago.

(03-19-2014 11:01 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

If the SBC loses Ark State and Louisiana Lafayette why would it need JMU and Liberty?

I do not see South Alabama, Troy, ULM, Texas State, Ark -LR or Texas Arlington voting for Liberty and JMU. I am assuming App State, Ga Southern and Ga State would vote for Liberty. The math would mean 7 out of 9 would have to vote for Liberty. I see six nays for Liberty.

Adding JMU and Liberty does not help the travel budgets for the non football sports.

Missouri State is the clear choice for invite. Then the next move would to restart Texas Arlington Football.


At that point the football conference would look like

East

App State
Ga State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama
Troy

West

Idaho
Missouri State
New Mexico
Texas Arlington
Texas State

This allows a 9 game conference schedule with three OOC games to schedule against regional SEC, ACC, CUSA, and Big 12 teams. These games will provide more exposure and financial impact for our teams than playing games against JMU and Liberty. The money comparison does not add up.

Adding additional teams:

I believe the SBC should take a long hard look at Kennesaw State. Kennesaw State is a natural rival for Ga State and Georgia Southern. KSU keeps ATL in play just in case CUSA pilfers Ga State one day. In addition, KSU is easy travel for Troy.

That leaves one spot open... JMU or Liberty. I don't either is the choice.

Coastal Carolina and Chattanooga have more ups for the SBC than JMU or Liberty.

1. They are in the region.
2. Brings South Carolina and Tennessee into our TV contract

Regional Rivalries and games of interest Chatanooga --> Ga State, Kennesaw State, UAB, MTSU,Tennessee, Kentucky, Charlotte, App State, Clemson, and Georgia

Regional Rivalries and games of interest Coastal Caroina --> Ga Southern, East Carolina, Clemson, and South Carolina.

Plus it will not be long before UNF and FGCU enter the picture.

This is an eastern perspective. From the west the considerations would be for Lamar and S.F. Austin.

Liberty and JMU should not even be a consideration for the SBC. Liberty and JMU are for the MAC to decide upon as additions.

(03-19-2014 01:32 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 11:01 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

If the SBC loses Ark State and Louisiana Lafayette why would it need JMU and Liberty?

I do not see South Alabama, Troy, ULM, Texas State, Ark -LR or Texas Arlington voting for Liberty and JMU. I am assuming App State, Ga Southern and Ga State would vote for Liberty. The math would mean 7 out of 9 would have to vote for Liberty. I see six nays for Liberty.

Adding JMU and Liberty does not help the travel budgets for the non football sports.

Missouri State is the clear choice for invite. Then the next move would to restart Texas Arlington Football.


At that point the football conference would look like

East

App State
Ga State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama
Troy

West

Idaho
Missouri State
New Mexico
Texas Arlington
Texas State

This allows a 9 game conference schedule with three OOC games to schedule against regional SEC, ACC, CUSA, and Big 12 teams. These games will provide more exposure and financial impact for our teams than playing games against JMU and Liberty. The money comparison does not add up.

Adding additional teams:

I believe the SBC should take a long hard look at Kennesaw State. Kennesaw State is a natural rival for Ga State and Georgia Southern. KSU keeps ATL in play just in case CUSA pilfers Ga State one day. In addition, KSU is easy travel for Troy.

That leaves one spot open... JMU or Liberty. I don't either is the choice.

Coastal Carolina and Chattanooga have more ups for the SBC than JMU or Liberty.

1. They are in the region.
2. Brings South Carolina and Tennessee into our TV contract

Regional Rivalries and games of interest Chatanooga --> Ga State, Kennesaw State, UAB, MTSU,Tennessee, Kentucky, Charlotte, App State, Clemson, and Georgia

Regional Rivalries and games of interest Coastal Caroina --> Ga Southern, East Carolina, Clemson, and South Carolina.

Plus it will not be long before UNF and FGCU enter the picture.

This is an eastern perspective. From the west the considerations would be for Lamar and S.F. Austin.

Liberty and JMU should not even be a consideration for the SBC. Liberty and JMU are for the MAC to decide upon as additions.

No offense but this is quite laughable. Coastal? Chattanooga? Over JMU? Coastal is a small regional university who will forever live in the shadow of USC/Clemson...forget about the "South Carolina" market, and the same can be said for UTC. Why the SBC would want to bother with more branch campuses is beyond me. There is one "University of Tennessee"...they are the Volunteers, and are located in the city of Knoxville. There is ONE "University of Texas" ....they are the Longhorns, and are located in Austin. Penn State - Erie? NO!! UTC should have remained as the "University of Chattanooga" instead of adding the UT name...how can a "branch campus" stand alone athletically when people always confuse it with big brother?

....Virginia has 8.2 million people...Tennessee 6.4 million...South Carolina 4.7 million....tell me about TV....
....Virginia also has a larger growth % since the 2010 census... 3.24% to South Carolina's 3.23 and Tennessee's 2.36%....tell me about the future.....
....Virginia with a 2011 Median household income of 61,882...South Carolina at 42,367....Tennessee at 41,693.....tell me about money....
....JMU with 20k students to UTC at 12,700 and Coastal at 9,700...
....Bridgeforth seats what....25,000? Brooks at Coastal is what...9,000? You want a school with at 9,00 seat football stadium playing FBS football?
....JMU with a 34 million dollar athletic budget...UTC with 12.8? Coastal with 18.7? ....tell me about who can realistically compete at the FBS level?



I am sorry....I am Liberty to the core...but forget about Liberty for a second...to say that Chattanooga or COASTAL....would be a better add for the SBC than James Madison.....is....maddening to say the least!

(03-20-2014 05:17 PM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 01:32 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(03-19-2014 11:01 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  TV deals are still in the drivers seat. I noticed ODU has been warming up to Liberty lately? Could it be because the LFSN's has the ability to cover and feed ODU games to FOX Sports. I don't know? As described by Rojogrande in the C-USA thread, WKU's production capabilities were extremely valuable. Liberty's LFSN could greatly benefit a conference, teams close by and a nationwide TV network just like WKU's did.

If Fox really lands the CUSA deal I see them pressuring CUSA to go after ARK State and Louisiana Lafayette. Belt will need teams for sure. Probability Liberty to the Sun Belt and JMU to the MAC still. But it would be interesting if Liberty and JMU both ended up in the Belt, with the LFSN providing TV coverage of several JMU and APP State games for the conference. Not sure how having both schools affects East and West concerns though.

If the SBC loses Ark State and Louisiana Lafayette why would it need JMU and Liberty?

I do not see South Alabama, Troy, ULM, Texas State, Ark -LR or Texas Arlington voting for Liberty and JMU. I am assuming App State, Ga Southern and Ga State would vote for Liberty. The math would mean 7 out of 9 would have to vote for Liberty. I see six nays for Liberty.

Adding JMU and Liberty does not help the travel budgets for the non football sports.

Missouri State is the clear choice for invite. Then the next move would to restart Texas Arlington Football.


At that point the football conference would look like

East

App State
Ga State
Georgia Southern
South Alabama
Troy

West

Idaho
Missouri State
New Mexico
Texas Arlington
Texas State

This allows a 9 game conference schedule with three OOC games to schedule against regional SEC, ACC, CUSA, and Big 12 teams. These games will provide more exposure and financial impact for our teams than playing games against JMU and Liberty. The money comparison does not add up.

Adding additional teams:

I believe the SBC should take a long hard look at Kennesaw State. Kennesaw State is a natural rival for Ga State and Georgia Southern. KSU keeps ATL in play just in case CUSA pilfers Ga State one day. In addition, KSU is easy travel for Troy.

That leaves one spot open... JMU or Liberty. I don't either is the choice.

Coastal Carolina and Chattanooga have more ups for the SBC than JMU or Liberty.

1. They are in the region.
2. Brings South Carolina and Tennessee into our TV contract

Regional Rivalries and games of interest Chatanooga --> Ga State, Kennesaw State, UAB, MTSU,Tennessee, Kentucky, Charlotte, App State, Clemson, and Georgia

Regional Rivalries and games of interest Coastal Caroina --> Ga Southern, East Carolina, Clemson, and South Carolina.

Plus it will not be long before UNF and FGCU enter the picture.

This is an eastern perspective. From the west the considerations would be for Lamar and S.F. Austin.

Liberty and JMU should not even be a consideration for the SBC. Liberty and JMU are for the MAC to decide upon as additions.

No offense but this is quite laughable. Coastal? Chattanooga? Over JMU? Coastal is a small regional university who will forever live in the shadow of USC/Clemson...forget about the "South Carolina" market, and the same can be said for UTC. Why the SBC would want to bother with more branch campuses is beyond me. There is one "University of Tennessee"...they are the Volunteers, and are located in the city of Knoxville. There is ONE "University of Texas" ....they are the Longhorns, and are located in Austin. Penn State - Erie? NO!! UTC should have remained as the "University of Chattanooga" instead of adding the UT name...how can a "branch campus" stand alone athletically when people always confuse it with big brother?

....Virginia has 8.2 million people...Tennessee 6.4 million...South Carolina 4.7 million....tell me about TV....
....Virginia also has a larger growth % since the 2010 census... 3.24% to South Carolina's 3.23 and Tennessee's 2.36%....tell me about the future.....
....Virginia with a 2011 Median household income of 61,882...South Carolina at 42,367....Tennessee at 41,693.....tell me about money....
....JMU with 20k students to UTC at 12,700 and Coastal at 9,700...
....Bridgeforth seats what....25,000? Brooks at Coastal is what...9,000? You want a school with at 9,00 seat football stadium playing FBS football?
....JMU with a 34 million dollar athletic budget...UTC with 12.8? Coastal with 18.7? ....tell me about who can realistically compete at the FBS level?



I am sorry....I am Liberty to the core...but forget about Liberty for a second...to say that Chattanooga or COASTAL....would be a better add for the SBC than James Madison.....is....maddening to say the least!

I have a feeling most of the people making suggestions as to what schools to add have never been to those campuses. EKY is a school that is brought up often. While I like the good people of Richmond and EKU they would have to invest millions to make the jump to FBS. I'm not talking 5-10 million I'm talking 40 plus million. With so many other needs on campus investing that much to go to FBS is never going to happen. The elected officials in Frankfort won't allow that to happen.

When you look realistic at the schools that are capable of making the jump it's JMU, Liberty and Jacksonville St. Missouri State may be ready in a few years, but it would take a while for them. So if JMU snubs their nose as the SB, which appears to be what is happening. Then Liberty is really the only option IF a 12th team is wanted. I've been predicting for a while that Liberty won't get an invite and the SB will stay at 11 for now. It's not because the Liberty people are not trying hard to change peoples opinions.

I have to give FloridaJag credit...he is rather persistent about who is in his ideal Sun Belt. No matter how unlikely such a league is.

(03-20-2014 07:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I have to give FloridaJag credit...he is rather persistent about who is in his ideal Sun Belt. No matter how unlikely such a league is.

Thanks Chief,

The problem is that Liberty folks believe they are a national brand that everybody wants. Now that is laughable.

When I look at a school as a potential candidate for expansion, I try to look at the impact on the SBC as a whole. That is why we must look at potential.

The conference has gone through considerable change and South Alabama has been here the whole time. We all have biases but I have pumped up several schools and heard the naysayers; however, look at where UTSA, ODU and UNCC are now.

The list also included:

Ga State
Ga Southern
App State
Lamar

Panama loved me when I was advocating for Ga State but turned on me when I advocated for Ga Southern and App State.

Lamar and South scheduled games on our way to getting to FBS.

I bombed on Texas State because I thought UTSA had the bigger ups. Now I have a new found respect for our Texas State brethren.


From a South Alabama perspective, I am very interested in what UWF,UNF and FGCU might do in the future. They are in the neighborhood. I do not think that schools with enrollments over 20,000 are the only ones we can consider. I really don't think distance learners are interested in attending games on campus if the only day they were on campus was graduation day. Plus follow the teams to away games.

At the moment, Missouri State is the best option for the SBC followed by restarting UTA football.

(03-20-2014 09:53 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I really don't think distance learners are interested in attending games on campus if the only day they were on campus was graduation day. Plus follow the teams to away games.

Liberty is a residential campus that added distance learning. There have been between 12,000 - 13,000 residential students at the school for the last 10 years. This has been mentioned before, but there was not an opportunity for growth due to city zoning issues. That issue has been resolved and the building continues. The local student population will exceed 20,000 within 2 years. Liberty students come from all 57 states and dozens of countries around the world. LU was a pioneer in distance learning and has grown it's online student population and is nearing 100,000 distance learners. Many of the distance learners do not have a connection to Liberty athletics, however, some do. From a fan perspective, distance learners are not the sports base, they are a bonus.

When I was in school, there were only 50 states, but I heard there are now 57.

(03-21-2014 09:41 AM)SumItUp Wrote:  When I was in school, there were only 50 states, but I heard there are now 57.

ValleyBoy, turn your sarcasm meter up a few notches.

(03-21-2014 09:48 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(03-21-2014 09:41 AM)SumItUp Wrote:  When I was in school, there were only 50 states, but I heard there are now 57.

Just think, if Al Gore had not taken the time to invent the internet for us we would not have CSNbbs or youtube!

(03-21-2014 09:48 AM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(03-21-2014 09:41 AM)SumItUp Wrote:  When I was in school, there were only 50 states, but I heard there are now 57.

Okay, I will bite.

51. Puerto Rico
52. Guam
53. American Somoa
54. United States Virgin Islands
55.
56.
57.