(10-19-2013 09:43 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  I'm sorry but can a BCS bowl take two teams from the same conference? Yes, I know the National Title game had that but can a normal BCS bowl do that?

There is nothing in the rules that prevents a regular BCS bowl from matching two teams from the same conference.

(10-19-2013 09:44 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  UCF gets an autobid for being the AAC champ. If Fresno State finishes ahead of UCF and if they are in the top 16, they get a bid as well. That's what the rule stipulates. That can very much happen. As for FSU, any bowl would be happy to take the Seminoles. That's without question.

I know that UCF can auto-qualify as AAC champ and that Fresno can auto-qualify under the conditions you describe. The reason I say your scenario requires that they both be in the top 14 is because if they aren't, then there will be other teams that ARE in the top 14 (above and beyond the ones you stipulated as conference champs and at-large selections) that the Orange could possibly take instead of FSU, meaning the Orange would not be stuck in the conundrum you describe of being forced to choose between UCF, FSU (and Fresno).

Not that it matters, since there is little to no doubt that even if the Orange has to choose between FSU and UCF, it will choose FSU, even if that means a re-match with Clemson. No way the Orange passes over a big-name blue-chip program like FSU for the AAC champ.

(10-19-2013 12:58 PM)back2vinyl Wrote:  UCF appears to be the team to beat in the AAC.

Remember, UCF needed a whole lotta luck to eek past pitiful Memphis. I wouldn't go around anointing them just yet. All of the teams in the AAC are beatable.

The Fiesta Bowl actually thought about doing it in January 2008 as Oklahoma and Kansas did not play each other during the regular season.

(10-19-2013 11:13 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  It's not a problem for the Orange.
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After Sugar and Fiesta make their replacement picks, the regular picks begin.
Orange will select first and can select any top 14 or remaining auto qualifier they like as long as it isn't the third team from a league.

The OP understood all that. He stipulated a scenario in which the Orange doesn't want Fresno so it comes down to a choice between UCF and FSU, and in that circumstance (which could happen) who would they pick?

Even if UCF doesn't win the conference, the American's #2 slot is the Russell Athletic Bowl a convenient 16 mile trek from campus.

If the ACC champ and the B12 champ are undefeated and get left out...swaps will be made to match them up.

It looks like the AAC isn't going to have anyone in the mix. Houston is currently losing to BYU 17-7...

(10-19-2013 03:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It looks like the AAC isn't going to have anyone in the mix. Houston is currently losing to BYU 17-7...

38-34 Houston at the half in a defensive struggle.

(10-19-2013 04:46 PM)back2vinyl Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 03:10 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It looks like the AAC isn't going to have anyone in the mix. Houston is currently losing to BYU 17-7...

38-34 Houston at the half in a defensive struggle.

Nice use of sarcasm there...

(10-19-2013 03:08 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  If the ACC champ and the B12 champ are undefeated and get left out...swaps will be made to match them up.

don't see that at all. I mean, I don't see the Fiesta agreeing to have a UCF/Fresno St game at all, and similarly don't see Orange agreeing to lose their #1 choice.

(10-19-2013 12:49 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Keep in mind the ACC now owns the Orange Bowl.

Normally there would not be an ACC rematch but given that the ACC now owns the bowl game a rematch between a 12-1 or 13-0 Clemson team versus a 11-1 FSU game would probably happen and fill the Orange Bowl. Miami does not have the QB to make a national championship run - they would have to beat FSU twice or FSU and Clemson and VT. That's just not going to happen.

However, a lot of this is predicated on FSU not choking to what will be an inferior Florida team and Clemson not choking to what seems will be an overmatched SC team.

ACC doesn't own the Orange Bowl. They have the TV rights after this year, but it's not owning the bowl.

The thing that will be very interesting is how the top 14 will be. Could easily see a thing where we still have 4-5 SEC teams, 3 ACC teams, 1 Big Ten team, 3 Pac 12 teams, 1 Big 12 team, and Louisville.

If that happens, and UCF runs the table in the AAC, the 4 at large teams will be:
1 SEC team
2 ACC team
3 Pac 12 team
4 Louisville

there would be no wiggle room at all- Louisville would have to go. The only way Louisville wouldn't go would be if Fresno was 15 and UCF was 16. or lower, as then Fresno would have to go in their place.

(10-19-2013 08:16 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing that will be very interesting is how the top 14 will be. Could easily see a thing where we still have 4-5 SEC teams, 3 ACC teams, 1 Big Ten team, 3 Pac 12 teams, 1 Big 12 team, and Louisville.

If that happens, and UCF runs the table in the AAC, the 4 at large teams will be:
1 SEC team
2 ACC team
3 Pac 12 team
4 Louisville

there would be no wiggle room at all- Louisville would have to go. The only way Louisville wouldn't go would be if Fresno was 15 and UCF was 16. or lower, as then Fresno would have to go in their place.

After this week I think it'll be hard for the SEC to have more than 3 teams in the top 14. Expect a lot of movement when the BCS rankings come out...and Louisville is already out of bcs contention unless they win the AAC.

Louisville isn't out of BCS contention. If they win out and are in the top 14(which would be very likely), it just will hinge on the number of "dead" teams. If there's enough, Louisville has to go.

Oh and the Op doesn't have the worst case scenario at all....
lets say title game matchup is in this Alabama/Ohio St... Worst case scenario for Orange....
Sugar replaces Alabama with SEC team. Let's say LSU
Rose replaces Ohio St with... problem. No Big Ten Team in top 14. They take FSU.

Orange gets 1st choice... they have to choose from Pac 12 team, UCF, or Fresno St. I think after what happened with Stanford, they don't take them again.

(10-19-2013 08:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Louisville isn't out of BCS contention. If they win out and are in the top 14(which would be very likely), it just will hinge on the number of "dead" teams. If there's enough, Louisville has to go.

Oh and the Op doesn't have the worst case scenario at all....
lets say title game matchup is in this Alabama/Ohio St... Worst case scenario for Orange....
Sugar replaces Alabama with SEC team. Let's say LSU
Rose replaces Ohio St with... problem. No Big Ten Team in top 14. They take FSU.

Orange gets 1st choice... they have to choose from Pac 12 team, UCF, or Fresno St. I think after what happened with Stanford, they don't take them again.

If they win out they take the AAC slot

(10-19-2013 08:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Louisville isn't out of BCS contention. If they win out and are in the top 14(which would be very likely), it just will hinge on the number of "dead" teams. If there's enough, Louisville has to go.

Oh and the Op doesn't have the worst case scenario at all....
lets say title game matchup is in this Alabama/Ohio St... Worst case scenario for Orange....
Sugar replaces Alabama with SEC team. Let's say LSU
Rose replaces Ohio St with... problem. No Big Ten Team in top 14. They take FSU.

Orange gets 1st choice... they have to choose from Pac 12 team, UCF, or Fresno St. I think after what happened with Stanford, they don't take them again.

The only way Louisville goes is if they win the AAC auto-bid. The AAC won't get an at-large...

In order for Louisville to get the AAC slot, UCF has to lose 2 conference games. Looking at their schedule, that will be extremely tough.

(10-19-2013 08:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Louisville isn't out of BCS contention. If they win out and are in the top 14(which would be very likely), it just will hinge on the number of "dead" teams. If there's enough, Louisville has to go.

Oh and the Op doesn't have the worst case scenario at all....
lets say title game matchup is in this Alabama/Ohio St... Worst case scenario for Orange....
Sugar replaces Alabama with SEC team. Let's say LSU
Rose replaces Ohio St with... problem. No Big Ten Team in top 14. They take FSU.

Orange gets 1st choice... they have to choose from Pac 12 team, UCF, or Fresno St. I think after what happened with Stanford, they don't take them again.

The Orange takes Stanford in a pre-arranged swap for Baylor.

(10-19-2013 08:53 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(10-19-2013 08:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Louisville isn't out of BCS contention. If they win out and are in the top 14(which would be very likely), it just will hinge on the number of "dead" teams. If there's enough, Louisville has to go.

Oh and the Op doesn't have the worst case scenario at all....
lets say title game matchup is in this Alabama/Ohio St... Worst case scenario for Orange....
Sugar replaces Alabama with SEC team. Let's say LSU
Rose replaces Ohio St with... problem. No Big Ten Team in top 14. They take FSU.

Orange gets 1st choice... they have to choose from Pac 12 team, UCF, or Fresno St. I think after what happened with Stanford, they don't take them again.

The Orange takes Stanford in a pre-arranged swap for Baylor.

The problem with this is if Oregon is playing in the national title game. Stanford would be in the Rose Bowl in that scenario.