(10-06-2013 03:18 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 02:44 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 02:27 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Now, who do we get to replace him? I say hell no to Lane Kiffin, he's a cancer. After thinking a bit, I think Luke Fickell would be a good choice, a retread like Barnett or Zook would be nice too. If we want to go with an up-and-comer, hire a DII/FCS HC instead of a BCS assistant. If I had to guess, we're going with a retread since that's who Sayler has hired at his previous jobs (David Bailiff while interim AD at Rice, Joe Glenn while head AD at South Dakota).

I saw you guys talking about Ron Zook on the Hawk Talk board, that would be a mistake. He is a good recruiter but not a good coach. Miami needs a good coach because there was some obvious lack of coaching going on to be so uncompetitive.

I agree, I've watched a lot of Illini football and know that he's not much of coach. I think the idea is nice in theory since he's a Miami alum, would probably never leave here if he did well enough to move up again, and his recruiting would give us an edge over much of the G5. In a practical way, I'm all in favor of bringing him in as a DC or something like that, though I doubt he'd do that with him having his CBS Sports announcing gig already.

I think what you guys need at Miami is a guy that can recruit Florida well and if Zook could do that, then you have what you need.

Florida is really where its open season in recruiting is and has built many tweener programs (West Virginia, Louisville) into Top 10 teams. Ohio is starting to hit the Sunshine State hard and has a young star running back Daz Patterson from down there. The state has about 500 players a year sign with FBS programs while only having 7 FBS teams so that's an oversupply of like 300 players a year.

(10-06-2013 02:18 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I wonder if $500-$800K is enough to lure Solich to Oxford?

That is what Frank is making right now.

525k base with bonus elevators taking him to about 800k.

"I think..." ---THERE'S YOUR FIRST MISTAKE! EVERYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT!

Miami fans: you're welcome! We accept fruit baskets and / or cheap booze.

Mike Bath named interim HC. Not a bad idea, it'll be interesting to see if he scraps the option crap and gets us to pull a few games out. One has to wonder if he's a factor in Boucher's noticeable decline from 2010, though you could just as equally blame Treadwell/Klacik.

http://www.muredhawks.com/ViewArticle.db...=209277698

(10-06-2013 03:38 PM)CMichFan Wrote:  Miami fans: you're welcome! We accept fruit baskets and / or cheap booze.

Better yet, how about a 2 for 1 sale? Miami's AD fires Treadwell & Enos (for insulting true football fans)!

(10-06-2013 03:39 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Mike Bath named interim HC. Not a bad idea, it'll be interesting to see if he scraps the option crap and gets us to pull a few games out. One has to wonder if he's a factor in Boucher's noticeable decline from 2010, though you could just as equally blame Treadwell/Klacik.

http://www.muredhawks.com/ViewArticle.db...=209277698

From what I saw yesterday, you might be better off going four wide and letting Boucher go read-option. He seemed more comfortable in that formation, IMO.

Quote:Ohio has a lot invested in its two top coaches — a combined $870,000 in base salary, not to mention $150,000 in longevity and retention bonuses, some of which will begin following the 2013 season.

Solich, who may now be better known for his tenure on the Ohio sidelines than his time at the helm for Nebraska, will earn a $275,000 retention bonus on Dec. 31.

His new deal is worth $445,000 annually, and he will receive retention bonuses of $50,000 at the conclusion of each of the 2013–16 seasons.

Christian will earn $100,000 each season through radio, TV and public appearances in addition to his $325,000 base
salary.

At the conclusion of each season, he will pocket a $100,000 retention bonus, as well.

“We believe that there’s a certain market value that a head coach has,” said OU President Roderick McDavis in a previous Post article about Christian’s contract.

http://thepost.ohiou.edu/content/compens...-1-million

Frank Solich Guaranteed
445,000 Base Salary
100,000 TV/Radio Income
50,000 Retention Bonus
Total 595,000

Jim Christian Guaranteed
325,000 Base Salary
100,000 TV/Radio Income
100,000 Retention Bonus
Total 525,000

I stand corrected, Frank is at 595k w/o elevators. With elevators that has him at 886,500.

5% for winning MAC East (22,250)
10% for winning MAC Title Game (44,500)
10% for winning a bowl game (44,500)
100,000 for making a BCS game
45,000 in regular season incentives
25,000 national coach of the year
10,000 MAC coach of the year

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CHSOhio.pdf

If Miami then wants Frank Solich they would have to probably double....1.2 million base and up to 2 million in incentives. There is no way Miami is going to spend that much money on a coach that is 69 years old.

(10-06-2013 12:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Miami has the new AD David Sayler that just started on January 1st. This is going to be a big hire for him and a chance to leave his mark on the program.

Hopefully they go high end with the next hire, in the 500k-800k range for MAC coaches. The conference needs more quality to move itself forward.

We are going high end, we will be paying Treadwell about 1.3 million over the next 2 and a half years to not coach... My prediction is we hire a successful college coach from a lower division, like Ball State did. This is the path that Saylor followed in his first coaching hire at Miami, hiring a successful division II coach for women's basketball.

yeah, Miami should spend a lot of money on their coach because if there's one thing we know about the MAC its that coaches who don't get paid a lot can't win.

(10-06-2013 01:44 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  Wow. That's a difficult decision to make. You risk the players completely throwing in the towel for the remainder of the season. The results might not be any worse than if you had kept your coach, but the lockerroom environment could become toxic. On the positive side, you get a nice head start on your coaching search, though you likely won't even be able to talk to any candidates that are currently coaching another team until the season ends.

From the outside, you would think this, but in attending the games and talking with players families, I would say the players will embrace the change. I really don't think at this point anybody (fans, parents, players) saw Treadwell as someone who could lead the program back to success. It will probably be hard on his son, Spencer, who is the starting tb.

(10-06-2013 04:10 PM)DICK Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 12:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Miami has the new AD David Sayler that just started on January 1st. This is going to be a big hire for him and a chance to leave his mark on the program.

Hopefully they go high end with the next hire, in the 500k-800k range for MAC coaches. The conference needs more quality to move itself forward.

We are going high end, we will be paying Treadwell about 1.3 million over the next 2 and a half years to not coach... My prediction is we hire a successful college coach from a lower division, like Ball State did. This is the path that Saylor followed in his first coaching hire at Miami, hiring a successful division II coach for women's basketball.

What you are telling me is that because of the huge buyout attached to Treadwell's contract, Miami is going to be forced into hiring an FCS coach on the cheap.

It worked for Ball State but Ball State had Stan Parrish's strong recruiting to fall back on plus a more aggressive recruiting philosophy overall than an academics first school like Miami.

(10-06-2013 04:14 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  yeah, Miami should spend a lot of money on their coach because if there's one thing we know about the MAC its that coaches who don't get paid a lot can't win.

If Miami wants to win they are going to have to get serious, IMO.

FootballScoop Staff ‏@footballscoop 54m

Heard middle of last week that Miami (OH) had reached out to several potential candidates to gauge their interest. They are aiming high

When a coach is fired mid-season, how long does it typically take for the school to announce who the replacement will be?

At any rate, I'm thankfully not surprised that we're aiming high with our search. If Sayler can set fundraising records in less than a year, it means he's got plenty of dough to pay for Treadwell, build up our facilities, and pony up for a good coaching staff.

Miami can be successful. A lot of academic oriented schools are seeing a sports resurgence (Northwestern, Stanford, vandy, Harvard, etc...). Miami's advantage is it's campus, Midwestern ivy type feel, and history.

they are not the school that should recruit florida ("cuz that's where the athletes are"). they can find those coachable well rounded kids who have multiple offers but can't quite get the Stanford, Virginia, Michigan type schollie. those kids are everywhere. meanwhile, they should be running fundamentally sound high IQ schemes, not gimmicks or power football.

I understand the fire. that team looked horrendous, poorly prepared on the offensive end and simply using schemes and plays that appeared barely practiced and very predictable.

get a Lembo type guy in there that can keep kids around for 5 yrs, develop talent, find those slightly underappreciated recruits, and run a tight program that does the little things right. Ohio is their model.

(10-06-2013 05:19 PM)pono Wrote:  Miami can be successful. A lot of academic oriented schools are seeing a sports resurgence (Northwestern, Stanford, vandy, Harvard, etc...). Miami's advantage is it's campus, Midwestern ivy type feel, and history.

they are not the school that should recruit florida ("cuz that's where the athletes are"). they can find those coachable well rounded kids who have multiple offers but can't quite get the Stanford, Virginia, Michigan type schollie. those kids are everywhere. meanwhile, they should be running fundamentally sound high IQ schemes, not gimmicks or power football.

I understand the fire. that team looked horrendous, poorly prepared on the offensive end and simply using schemes and plays that appeared barely practiced and very predictable.

get a Lembo type guy in there that can keep kids around for 5 yrs, develop talent, find those slightly underappreciated recruits, and run a tight program that does the little things right. Ohio is their model.

Ohio is dipping into Florida and landing academically prepared student athletes. Daz Patterson had a 4.7 in High School.

This to me gives Miami some hope, they might be able to land some kids over ACC schools in FL/GA like Ohio is doing with the right orientation of their staff. In the past Miami has tried things like building a pipeline to St. Louis but that isn't where the talent is. I know Miami is further from ACC country than Ohio but it would be great to see more MAC schools recruit down there for visibility.

Ohio takes in a few JUCO's and partial qualifiers every year. I'm not sure Miami is prepared to do that which handicaps their efforts to compete.

(10-06-2013 01:18 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  I wish Treadwell the best, hope he is properly compensated, and lands on his feat soon.

Sounds like his lack of feats are what got him in trouble.

Good decision by our AD Sayler...clearly Treadwell and his inept assistant coaches were taking the program in the wrong direction...we weren't even remotely competitive in almost all our games this year and our woeful offense was one of FBS's absolute worsts.

(10-06-2013 01:46 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  Miami has had too much success and is one of the traditional MAC powers. He did not even have this team playing competitive. The team has only scored 44 points in 5 games for an average of 8.8 ppg.

And then to follow up a 2010 MAC Championship season with a 4-win season despite returning so many starters.

I agree with this decision. It will give Miami ample time to find the next guy.

You can't let a program sink to this level.
Had to clean house.