Nick's Rankings through Week #6


The cream of the crop
1 NIU
2 Ball St

Not too shabby, all three are bowl-worthy
3 Toledo
4 Ohio
5 BGSU

Still fighting and can be tough to beat
6 Kent St
7 Buffalo

Not so good
8 Central
9 Akron
10 UMass

The dregs
11 Eastern
12 Miami

Can't believe they are THIS bad
13 Western

(10-05-2013 06:17 PM)george14 Wrote:  NIU
BSU (i think they will beat NIU)
BGSU
UT
Ohio
UB
Kent
CMU
Akron
Miami (didnt play an FCS team)
EMU (snuck by a bad FCS team)
UMass
WMU

Thoughts?

For your sake I hope BSU beats NIU , or you will need to be put on suicide watch lol

(10-06-2013 08:57 PM)DICK Wrote:  The bottom of the MAC this year is very deep and very weak. You would think that would be bad for the league, but maybe not. It might play out well for the other 7 schools, lots of teams with impressive w/l records when bowl bids go out.

What is happening Dick is that where before talent in MAC country was spread around fairly easily, certain MAC schools almost win every MAC recruiting battle they participate in (BGSU, Ohio) while NIU (great plains), Ball State (Indiana), Toledo (urban recruiting) have a niche area to themselves. Ball State and Toledo were down for a season or 2 and quickly bounced back.

The lower half of the MAC is left with scraps on the recruiting trail, perpetually having to fire/hire new staffs, drawing poorly ect....a bunch of negative factors that perpetuate the cycle.

Going the SEC/B12 assistant route is the way to go.....find guys with a pipeline and then allow a few years to get established on the Midwestern scene.

Its difficult to see how Miami can go out and pay 250k for an FCS coach and recruit like usual when Ohio is paying Solich up to 900k counting bonuses, already has camps established across the state, is #3 in the Ohio all time win list and #8 all-time MAC. Additionally, Ohio is connected to Columbus (1 hour) and Cincinnati (2 hours) the talent hotbeds of the state by 4 lane highways and willing to offer partial qualifiers left and right.

Ohio's running a program on the level of Fresno State (for better and for worse), Miami is running a program on the level of Illinois State. Its not just that Treadwell sucks, its that Miami's recruiting is uncompetitive. Its a shame because Miami if run correctly could be as strong as Cincinnati (performance and attendance). I thought the new uniforms were a step in the right direction bringing out the "Redhawk" brand. The program has to look at itself not like Miami the little red brick school but the Miami the representative for the Miami Valley.

All hail Frank Solich and Ohio U.

(10-07-2013 04:23 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:57 PM)DICK Wrote:  The bottom of the MAC this year is very deep and very weak. You would think that would be bad for the league, but maybe not. It might play out well for the other 7 schools, lots of teams with impressive w/l records when bowl bids go out.

What is happening Dick is that where before talent in MAC country was spread around fairly easily, certain MAC schools almost win every MAC recruiting battle they participate in (BGSU, Ohio) while NIU (great plains), Ball State (Indiana), Toledo (urban recruiting) have a niche area to themselves. Ball State and Toledo were down for a season or 2 and quickly bounced back.

The lower half of the MAC is left with scraps on the recruiting trail, perpetually having to fire/hire new staffs, drawing poorly ect....a bunch of negative factors that perpetuate the cycle.

Going the SEC/B12 assistant route is the way to go.....find guys with a pipeline and then allow a few years to get established on the Midwestern scene.

Its difficult to see how Miami can go out and pay 250k for an FCS coach and recruit like usual when Ohio is paying Solich up to 900k counting bonuses, already has camps established across the state, is #3 in the Ohio all time win list and #8 all-time MAC. Additionally, Ohio is connected to Columbus (1 hour) and Cincinnati (2 hours) the talent hotbeds of the state by 4 lane highways and willing to offer partial qualifiers left and right.

Ohio's running a program on the level of Fresno State (for better and for worse), Miami is running a program on the level of Illinois State. Its not just that Treadwell sucks, its that Miami's recruiting is uncompetitive. Its a shame because Miami if run correctly could be as strong as Cincinnati (performance and attendance). I thought the new uniforms were a step in the right direction bringing out the "Redhawk" brand. The program has to look at itself not like Miami the little red brick school but the Miami the representative for the Miami Valley.

1)# of MACC for Solich?
2)Solich has a .500 record against MAC West teams.
3)Solich has never beaten Toledo.

(10-06-2013 01:11 AM)JSF Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:54 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Ohio continues to roll as non-believers disrespect the flagship.

What is this, the Movementarians?

That is one of the few believable explanations.

(10-07-2013 04:23 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:57 PM)DICK Wrote:  The bottom of the MAC this year is very deep and very weak. You would think that would be bad for the league, but maybe not. It might play out well for the other 7 schools, lots of teams with impressive w/l records when bowl bids go out.

What is happening Dick is that where before talent in MAC country was spread around fairly easily, certain MAC schools almost win every MAC recruiting battle they participate in (BGSU, Ohio) while NIU (great plains), Ball State (Indiana), Toledo (urban recruiting) have a niche area to themselves. Ball State and Toledo were down for a season or 2 and quickly bounced back.

The lower half of the MAC is left with scraps on the recruiting trail, perpetually having to fire/hire new staffs, drawing poorly ect....a bunch of negative factors that perpetuate the cycle.

Going the SEC/B12 assistant route is the way to go.....find guys with a pipeline and then allow a few years to get established on the Midwestern scene.

Its difficult to see how Miami can go out and pay 250k for an FCS coach and recruit like usual when Ohio is paying Solich up to 900k counting bonuses, already has camps established across the state, is #3 in the Ohio all time win list and #8 all-time MAC. Additionally, Ohio is connected to Columbus (1 hour) and Cincinnati (2 hours) the talent hotbeds of the state by 4 lane highways and willing to offer partial qualifiers left and right.

Ohio's running a program on the level of Fresno State (for better and for worse), Miami is running a program on the level of Illinois State. Its not just that Treadwell sucks, its that Miami's recruiting is uncompetitive. Its a shame because Miami if run correctly could be as strong as Cincinnati (performance and attendance). I thought the new uniforms were a step in the right direction bringing out the "Redhawk" brand. The program has to look at itself not like Miami the little red brick school but the Miami the representative for the Miami Valley.

(10-05-2013 06:17 PM)george14 Wrote:  Thoughts?

NIU
Ohio(They've earned this spot at this point)
BSU
BGSU
UT
Kent (I think KSU gets healthy and edges Buffalo)
UB
CMU
Akron
Miami (didnt play an FCS team)
EMU (snuck by a bad FCS team)
WMU

(10-07-2013 06:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  3)Solich has never beaten Toledo.

To be fair, he's only played them 3 times in 9 seasons...and not since 2010. We are in a cycle of perennially playing EMU and someone else!

(10-07-2013 09:24 AM)ohiobobcats11 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  3)Solich has never beaten Toledo.

To be fair, he's only played them 3 times in 9 seasons...and not since 2010. We are in a cycle of perennially playing EMU and someone else!

I would like to see them play more if that is the case

Kit Cat, from your green hazed perspective perhaps that is probably how it looks. Enjoy what Frank has done for your school. Miami will be back at some point, it just depends on getting a good coach and a good staff to get things going again. Treadwell actually was killing it in recruiting his first full season, but after that everyone knew how ineffectual he was as a coach. With the right hire, Miami will be competing at the top of the MAC in recruiting and winning again. When you are down for awhile, as we have been and as OU was for 20 years, it takes a good coach who is comitted to stay the course and rebuild the program. The only other time Miami slipped to the bottom Randy Walker turned it back around. With the right coaching hire and a little time, Miami can go back to winning almost all MAC recruiting battles. I am hoping that we have hit rock bottom at this point. Our new AD is pushing hard to get things going again, harder than any administrator we have ever had before.

(10-07-2013 03:59 PM)DICK Wrote:  Kit Cat, from your green hazed perspective perhaps that is probably how it looks. Enjoy what Frank has done for your school. Miami will be back at some point, it just depends on getting a good coach and a good staff to get things going again. Treadwell actually was killing it in recruiting his first full season, but after that everyone knew how ineffectual he was as a coach. With the right hire, Miami will be competing at the top of the MAC in recruiting and winning again. When you are down for awhile, as we have been and as OU was for 20 years, it takes a good coach who is comitted to stay the course and rebuild the program. The only other time Miami slipped to the bottom Randy Walker turned it back around. With the right coaching hire and a little time, Miami can go back to winning almost all MAC recruiting battles. I am hoping that we have hit rock bottom at this point. Our new AD is pushing hard to get things going again, harder than any administrator we have ever had before.

Randy Walker turned things around 20 years ago. Times have changed and its more competitive.

Miami's administration is pushing hard because never before have things looked so bleak. The cradle of coaches plaza is classy.....classy for a program trying to emulate William & Mary or a Patriot League football school. Having coaches that have moved onto the B1G or SEC is EXPECTED by any serious G5 program. It makes Miami sound desperate.

Miami keeps recruiting 2nd tier MAC players in St. Louis and Illinois as a recruiting strategy. Nobody else is wasting their time with that. Its not like Miami is located in the middle of Iowa and is too far to recruit the Eastern Seaboard effectively.

Ohio was down for 20 years in FB. This is true. At the same time Ohio had a 90% graduation rate for its football players and ran things like a model Patriot League football team. Its not that Ohio got rolling with coaches who are better motivators; the handcuffs were taken off and Ohio started recruiting more marginal students.

(10-07-2013 12:48 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:24 AM)ohiobobcats11 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  3)Solich has never beaten Toledo.

To be fair, he's only played them 3 times in 9 seasons...and not since 2010. We are in a cycle of perennially playing EMU and someone else!

I would like to see them play more if that is the case

So would I.

(10-07-2013 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  the handcuffs were taken off and Ohio started recruiting more marginal students.

sure you didn't mean they started recruiting more marginal students that required handcuffs?

Kitton wrote: Miami's administration is pushing hard because never before have things looked so bleak. The cradle of coaches plaza is classy.....classy for a program trying to emulate William & Mary or a Patriot League football school. Having coaches that have moved onto the B1G or SEC is EXPECTED by any serious G5 program. It makes Miami sound desperate.

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eCK responds: Kitton, you just don't get it! For the last time, let me explain the real Cradle of Coach's at Miami...these busts are of coaching legends that WENT TO and PLAYED FOR MIAMI! They are not there because they coached at Miami and then moved onto "bigger and better", although some of them actually did. Many of these legendary coaches were also standout players at Miami, such as John Pont and Ara P. Some did not coach at Miami at all like Red Blaik of Army coaching fame. A couple were national coach's of the year.

(10-07-2013 07:35 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Kitton wrote: Miami's administration is pushing hard because never before have things looked so bleak. The cradle of coaches plaza is classy.....classy for a program trying to emulate William & Mary or a Patriot League football school. Having coaches that have moved onto the B1G or SEC is EXPECTED by any serious G5 program. It makes Miami sound desperate.

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eCK responds: Kitton, you just don't get it! For the last time, let me explain the real Cradle of Coach's at Miami...these busts are of coaching legends that WENT TO and PLAYED FOR MIAMI! They are not there because they coached at Miami and then moved onto "bigger and better", although some of them actually did. Many of these legendary coaches were also standout players at Miami, such as John Pont and Ara P. Some did not coach at Miami at all like Red Blaik of Army coaching fame. A couple were national coach's of the year.

Sounds classy. Have you talked to the Patriot League about admission?

(10-07-2013 07:02 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:07 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  the handcuffs were taken off and Ohio started recruiting more marginal students.

sure you didn't mean they started recruiting more marginal students that required handcuffs?

(10-07-2013 07:40 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 07:35 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Kitton wrote: Miami's administration is pushing hard because never before have things looked so bleak. The cradle of coaches plaza is classy.....classy for a program trying to emulate William & Mary or a Patriot League football school. Having coaches that have moved onto the B1G or SEC is EXPECTED by any serious G5 program. It makes Miami sound desperate.

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eCK responds: Kitton, you just don't get it! For the last time, let me explain the real Cradle of Coach's at Miami...these busts are of coaching legends that WENT TO and PLAYED FOR MIAMI! They are not there because they coached at Miami and then moved onto "bigger and better", although some of them actually did. Many of these legendary coaches were also standout players at Miami, such as John Pont and Ara P. Some did not coach at Miami at all like Red Blaik of Army coaching fame. A couple were national coach's of the year.

Sounds classy. Have you talked to the Patriot League about admission?

Last MAC championship:
NIU - 2012
Miami - 2010
CMU - 2009
Buffalo - 2008
Akron - 2005
Toledo - 2004
Ball State - 1996
BG - 1992
WMU - 1988
EMU - 1987
Kent State -1972
Ohio - 1968

Academic standards didn't stop Haywood from winning the MAC in 2010, why would they for the next coach? The reason we suck is because of Treadwell (and Brad Bates on a larger scale), not because Miami has standards.

(10-07-2013 06:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 12:48 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:24 AM)ohiobobcats11 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  3)Solich has never beaten Toledo.

To be fair, he's only played them 3 times in 9 seasons...and not since 2010. We are in a cycle of perennially playing EMU and someone else!

I would like to see them play more if that is the case

So would I.

As long as BG and UT are in opposite divisions, that won't happen. Are there any other MAC rivalries across divisions that play each year? With 13 teams, I'm not sure why the MAC insists on BG staying in the East.

(10-07-2013 09:28 PM)Siborg Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:28 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 12:48 PM)lance99 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:24 AM)ohiobobcats11 Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:35 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  3)Solich has never beaten Toledo.

To be fair, he's only played them 3 times in 9 seasons...and not since 2010. We are in a cycle of perennially playing EMU and someone else!

I would like to see them play more if that is the case

So would I.

As long as BG and UT are in opposite divisions, that won't happen. Are there any other MAC rivalries across divisions that play each year? With 13 teams, I'm not sure why the MAC insists on BG staying in the East.

Miami and Ball State?? That's about it.


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