(09-29-2013 10:31 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  That wasn't my comparison at all. I figured people would get it, but I guess not.

I've been asking for a change for 3 years now. I appreciate all MM has done and they should built a statue for him. But it's looooooong been time for a change. Change is good and necessary sometimes. That time is now past due.

As I've said on here before many times, just like JMU has 3 conferences that want them, the football coaching job will be in extremely high demand. The JMU job has NEVER been available with the resources available to it now. When it does open, we'll get hundreds of quality interested parties within days.

Could you explain your USC comparison then? I'm not stupid, but apparently, I'm missing it.

I did. Look up a few posts

(09-29-2013 10:34 AM)HMK Wrote:  Mickey Matthews has another year left in his contract. JMU allowed Matt Brady to return for his last year of his contact. In many games his basketball teams were not competitive, overmatched, and always played in a near empty convo.
This football team is competitive and has not been blown out in recent times. There is no historical reason to believe the administration will buy out Matthews contract.

I agree there is no historical reason, but I think consideration should be given to gameday & donation revenue that's completely football-driven. Basketball has nowhere near the revenue in those areas. Basketball's revenue potential is 100% based on NCAA tournament achievement. IMO, football coach hiring/firing decisions cannot possibly be viewed the same way basketball has been in recent history. Football drives the realignment train. If football continues to lose games they should win due to head coach ineptitude, it would be foolish to try to justify keeping MM based on the decision to keep Brady through his contract.

(09-29-2013 10:41 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  I did. Look up a few posts

Help me out. I'm slow. You explained how we're "a USC" in terms of our place in FCS. I get that.

Now I'm trying to understand the comparison as it relates to firing a head coach mid-season. That's where I'm having an issue. Please help me out.

Lane Kiffin deserved to get run. USC did it the way those arrogant high profile FBS LA type schools do it....under IMMENSE political pressure from donors.

If MM fails to make the playoffs again this year, I believe his time should also be up. Be he is far from Lane Kiffin. Put JMU on the map, with a NC, beautiful stadium and FBS bound. He deserves credit and should DEF. play out this year.

Would this even be a thread if we won last night? I doubt it. Many on this board think we will win every game every year. It's not realistic. Although many don't want to admit it, UD is pretty good. JMU and UD are very close in many ways, both on the academic and athletic fronts. We both compete for many of the same players. We both have play makers. We both play hard. UD did a better job last night in many aspects of the game. It bothers me that we have had 3 big first halfs and then we have faded (ODU, Akron and UD). If we would have scored on our first possesion of the 2nd half, the game would have been out of hand and UD would have likely packed it in. Is it a coaching issue? I don't know. Is is a lack of focus by the players? I don't know. Is it frustrating to watch? yes.

It is really simple, if we don't make the playoffs, MM is gone. You can Dirty Duke book that.

(09-29-2013 11:48 AM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  Would this even be a thread if we won last night? I doubt it. Many on this board think we will win every game every year. It's not realistic. Although many don't want to admit it, UD is pretty good. JMU and UD are very close in many ways, both on the academic and athletic fronts. We both compete for many of the same players. We both have play makers. We both play hard. UD did a better job last night in many aspects of the game. It bothers me that we have had 3 big first halfs and then we have faded (ODU, Akron and UD). If we would have scored on our first possesion of the 2nd half, the game would have been out of hand and UD would have likely packed it in. Is it a coaching issue? I don't know. Is is a lack of focus by the players? I don't know. Is it frustrating to watch? yes.

No I agree, HH&C. I give a lot of credit to UD and Akron. My point is, if we consistently are missing playoffs (again this year for second straight year)...when do we make the move to another coach? Let MM play out his contract next year and prove something? I'd be ok with that. I'd be a little upset at a new extension before he takes us back to the playoffs.

(09-29-2013 11:48 AM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  Would this even be a thread if we won last night? I doubt it. Many on this board think we will win every game every year. It's not realistic. Although many don't want to admit it, UD is pretty good. JMU and UD are very close in many ways, both on the academic and athletic fronts. We both compete for many of the same players. We both have play makers. We both play hard. UD did a better job last night in many aspects of the game. It bothers me that we have had 3 big first halfs and then we have faded (ODU, Akron and UD). If we would have scored on our first possesion of the 2nd half, the game would have been out of hand and UD would have likely packed it in. Is it a coaching issue? I don't know. Is is a lack of focus by the players? I don't know. Is it frustrating to watch? yes.

That's kind of the whole point. The game planning is working well but the in-game coaching is pathetic. Other teams adjust as the game goes along. We don't.

(09-29-2013 11:54 AM)jmu@uva Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 11:48 AM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  Would this even be a thread if we won last night? I doubt it. Many on this board think we will win every game every year. It's not realistic. Although many don't want to admit it, UD is pretty good. JMU and UD are very close in many ways, both on the academic and athletic fronts. We both compete for many of the same players. We both have play makers. We both play hard. UD did a better job last night in many aspects of the game. It bothers me that we have had 3 big first halfs and then we have faded (ODU, Akron and UD). If we would have scored on our first possesion of the 2nd half, the game would have been out of hand and UD would have likely packed it in. Is it a coaching issue? I don't know. Is is a lack of focus by the players? I don't know. Is it frustrating to watch? yes.

No I agree, HH&C. I give a lot of credit to UD and Akron. My point is, if we consistently are missing playoffs (again this year for second straight year)...when do we make the move to another coach? Let MM play out his contract next year and prove something? I'd be ok with that. I'd be a little upset at a new extension before he takes us back to the playoffs.

In my opinion, we need to make the playoffs and make a good run in the playoffs for this to be a good year. We just reduced our cushion by losing last night. We needed that win to provide some wiggle room. I had us losing 2 out of these games (Nova, New Hampshire and Towson) and ending the year at 9-3. We now need to go 2-1 against those teams. We also can't drop a game to UR or W&M or Stony Brook with the UD loss. I think we make the playoffs at 8-4 but we are probably only home for the first round and then we have to go somewhere nasty to play. Making the playoffs and losing in the 2nd round is not a successful year. We have a long way to go in this season and I hope that we catch fire and run the table. We shall see but I realize that such a prediction is not logical. 8-4 is probably the best we can be in 2013. I hope I am wrong about the 8-4.

(09-29-2013 11:54 AM)jmu@uva Wrote:  No I agree, HH&C. I give a lot of credit to UD and Akron. My point is, if we consistently are missing playoffs (again this year for second straight year)...when do we make the move to another coach? Let MM play out his contract next year and prove something? I'd be ok with that. I'd be a little upset at a new extension before he takes us back to the playoffs.

Just realized (with the above post) that you are definitely Dukes09. This is the year for Mickey to prove himself, not next year. Extension? Are you serious?

(09-29-2013 11:48 AM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  Would this even be a thread if we won last night? I doubt it. Many on this board think we will win every game every year. It's not realistic. Although many don't want to admit it, UD is pretty good. JMU and UD are very close in many ways, both on the academic and athletic fronts. We both compete for many of the same players. We both have play makers. We both play hard. UD did a better job last night in many aspects of the game. It bothers me that we have had 3 big first halfs and then we have faded (ODU, Akron and UD). If we would have scored on our first possesion of the 2nd half, the game would have been out of hand and UD would have likely packed it in. Is it a coaching issue? I don't know. Is is a lack of focus by the players? I don't know. Is it frustrating to watch? yes.

Well put. Completely agree.

(09-29-2013 12:06 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 11:48 AM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  Would this even be a thread if we won last night? I doubt it. Many on this board think we will win every game every year. It's not realistic. Although many don't want to admit it, UD is pretty good. JMU and UD are very close in many ways, both on the academic and athletic fronts. We both compete for many of the same players. We both have play makers. We both play hard. UD did a better job last night in many aspects of the game. It bothers me that we have had 3 big first halfs and then we have faded (ODU, Akron and UD). If we would have scored on our first possesion of the 2nd half, the game would have been out of hand and UD would have likely packed it in. Is it a coaching issue? I don't know. Is is a lack of focus by the players? I don't know. Is it frustrating to watch? yes.

Well put. Completely agree.

How could you agree with that? "Is it a coaching issue. I don't know". Look, when you start games off well and then fall apart in the second half on a regular basis, it's a coaching issue. Plain and simple. Teams are making adjustments to what we're going on both sides of the ball and Mickey's only solution is to yell at the refs as if that ever accomplished anything. We jump out on Akron and Delaware - both challenging teams - and then our dicks go limp. You have to win these games when you're out to a lead like that.

(09-29-2013 12:17 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 12:06 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 11:48 AM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  Would this even be a thread if we won last night? I doubt it. Many on this board think we will win every game every year. It's not realistic. Although many don't want to admit it, UD is pretty good. JMU and UD are very close in many ways, both on the academic and athletic fronts. We both compete for many of the same players. We both have play makers. We both play hard. UD did a better job last night in many aspects of the game. It bothers me that we have had 3 big first halfs and then we have faded (ODU, Akron and UD). If we would have scored on our first possesion of the 2nd half, the game would have been out of hand and UD would have likely packed it in. Is it a coaching issue? I don't know. Is is a lack of focus by the players? I don't know. Is it frustrating to watch? yes.

Well put. Completely agree.

How could you agree with that? "Is it a coaching issue. I don't know". Look, when you start games off well and then fall apart in the second half on a regular basis, it's a coaching issue. Plain and simple. Teams are making adjustments to what we're going on both sides of the ball and Mickey's only solution is to yell at the refs as if that ever accomplished anything. We jump out on Akron and Delaware - both challenging teams - and then our dicks go limp. You have to win these games when you're out to a lead like that.

Exactly. And it's not like the UD and Akron games, or even the ODU one, are the only times this has happened. I feel like I've been watching the same movie over and over again for years.

Maybe I wouldn't have posted this last night if we won, but that's irrelevant, because we continue to lose these games where we just need to put teams away rather than getting cute and trying to hold onto small leads!

The thing that boggles my mind is we actually go away from what's working in the second half of games. We were eating them alive with the play action seam pass to the TE in the first half. You know they're going to overplay that after making a halftime adjustment. You have to know that the safety is going to cheat on that and put Daniel Brown over the top of him on a deep post but it's like we don't even understand how to adjust to an adjustment. If you can't get that, you shouldn't be coaching Division 1 football or any level of football for that matter.

(09-29-2013 12:00 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 11:54 AM)jmu@uva Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 11:48 AM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  Would this even be a thread if we won last night? I doubt it. Many on this board think we will win every game every year. It's not realistic. Although many don't want to admit it, UD is pretty good. JMU and UD are very close in many ways, both on the academic and athletic fronts. We both compete for many of the same players. We both have play makers. We both play hard. UD did a better job last night in many aspects of the game. It bothers me that we have had 3 big first halfs and then we have faded (ODU, Akron and UD). If we would have scored on our first possesion of the 2nd half, the game would have been out of hand and UD would have likely packed it in. Is it a coaching issue? I don't know. Is is a lack of focus by the players? I don't know. Is it frustrating to watch? yes.

No I agree, HH&C. I give a lot of credit to UD and Akron. My point is, if we consistently are missing playoffs (again this year for second straight year)...when do we make the move to another coach? Let MM play out his contract next year and prove something? I'd be ok with that. I'd be a little upset at a new extension before he takes us back to the playoffs.

In my opinion, we need to make the playoffs and make a good run in the playoffs for this to be a good year. We just reduced our cushion by losing last night. We needed that win to provide some wiggle room. I had us losing 2 out of these games (Nova, New Hampshire and Towson) and ending the year at 9-3. We now need to go 2-1 against those teams. We also can't drop a game to UR or W&M or Stony Brook with the UD loss. I think we make the playoffs at 8-4 but we are probably only home for the first round and then we have to go somewhere nasty to play. Making the playoffs and losing in the 2nd round is not a successful year. We have a long way to go in this season and I hope that we catch fire and run the table. We shall see but I realize that such a prediction is not logical. 8-4 is probably the best we can be in 2013. I hope I am wrong about the 8-4.

You can probably count WM as a loss at this point also.. if you have seen any of their games you can see how they took WVU to the wire - good blocking and fundamentals.... something we are lacking.
IMO we may lose to Towson / NOVA/ WM and UR is never a cupcake.
we may be playing not to have a losing season at this point, muchless make the playoffs.

(09-29-2013 12:42 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  The thing that boggles my mind is we actually go away from what's working in the second half of games. We were eating them alive with the play action seam pass to the TE in the first half. You know they're going to overplay that after making a halftime adjustment. You have to know that the safety is going to cheat on that and put Daniel Brown over the top of him on a deep post but it's like we don't even understand how to adjust to an adjustment. If you can't get that, you shouldn't be coaching Division 1 football or any level of football for that matter.

Agree 100%.

(09-29-2013 01:11 PM)jmufbs Wrote:  You can probably count WM as a loss at this point also.

Stop that! I have a super-sweet tailgate planned for that WM game, complete with authentic teepee. We must win!

(09-29-2013 12:05 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 11:54 AM)jmu@uva Wrote:  No I agree, HH&C. I give a lot of credit to UD and Akron. My point is, if we consistently are missing playoffs (again this year for second straight year)...when do we make the move to another coach? Let MM play out his contract next year and prove something? I'd be ok with that. I'd be a little upset at a new extension before he takes us back to the playoffs.

Just realized (with the above post) that you are definitely Dukes09. This is the year for Mickey to prove himself, not next year. Extension? Are you serious?

I don't know who Dukes09 is...but I'm sure he's awesome.

Look, I'd be shocked if JMU bought out the last year of MM's contract. So he'll probably be here next year. So good or bad, you should just accept that. And my post said I would be upset to see an extension given. But if you would get shocked at seeing MM on the sidelines next year...you might want to start working on your "shocked" face....

I don't have to accept jack. If we don't get past the 2nd round of the playoffs, I'll expect a new HC.