I am pretty damn sure that after our showing against St. Francis and this collapse tonight against the Blue Chickens... "the winds of change, they are a blowing." I give it a 40% chance we see Mickey on the sidelines at JMU in 2014.

(09-28-2013 09:23 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  ...please get a new HC. I know several on here will say those of us calling for this are overreacting, but a blind person could see how this team gets outcoached time and time again. How many times do we have to watch the same damn thing where we beat scrub teams and then lose games to teams we dominate because of Mickey's conservative "play not to lose" mentality after going up by a score or two. It doesn't take a genius to see that there is one major constant in this equation, and that constant is Mickey. Regardless of new coaches, we are the same team that blows leads and dominates stats and games but loses to teams that are .500 or better and have as many schollies as we do. It's time to stop the bleeding.

Oh, and if you are reading this, lets go FBS soon, please but with a new HC!

Rip away Mickey disciples....

Bourne's answer to any coach losing, any sport, is to schedule weaker programs in the future a la his phone speed dial settings to the NEC ADs.

(09-28-2013 09:41 PM)PGDUKES2 Wrote:  I watched most of the Ticks/Maine game today. Strauss, Edwards, and Barnette will pick us apart. I foresee a nasty loss to the Ticks. I have had to lower my expectations for this season with the way things have gone so far. And we are ready for FBS?

Around 11:30 last night, you made the most offensive post I have ever read (quoted above). Apologize.

USC fired Lane Kiffin today.

USC is 3-2 and underachieving as a program. JMU is 3-2 and underachieving as a program.

it can happen in the middle of the season.

(09-29-2013 08:58 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  USC fired Lane Kiffin today.

USC is 3-2 and underachieving as a program. JMU is 3-2 and underachieving as a program.

it can happen in the middle of the season.

Not JMU's way. Also, there's just a wee bit of difference in the scale/size/media awareness of the two programs that makes the USC situation unique. Besides, Kiffin has never won a NC, and basically is a gypsy bouncing from coaching job to coaching job. MB has been loyal and productive at JMU. You don't fire people like that in the middle of a season.

Yes, I know it's not JMU's way...and that is exactly the problem and why this is an underachieving program.

Things need to change.

also, in the FCS world, we ARE a USC.

(09-29-2013 09:07 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Yes, I know it's not JMU's way...and that is exactly the problem and why this is an underachieving program.

Things need to change.

also, in the FCS world, we ARE a USC.

Sorry. Couldn't disagree more. JMU is better than USC and the crap that produces programs and leaders like Kiffin, Pete Carroll, etc.

JMU fans posting on this board need to embrace a new rule #1: We don't eat our own.

(09-29-2013 09:07 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  also, in the FCS world, we ARE a USC.

Not disagreeing with you on the need for a coaching change, but you're losing me with this response. There are literally zero FCS schools that fire coaches mid-season. Us being a (former) FCS power doesn't make that a legitimate comparison.

first off, i'm not advocating a change in midseason, just saying it happens.

the time to get rid of Mickey was years ago but the "JMU way" prevented that from happening. and now the damage has already been done.

(09-29-2013 09:16 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  first off, i'm not advocating a change in midseason, just saying it happens.

the time to get rid of Mickey was years ago but the "JMU way" prevented that from happening. and now the damage has already been done.

What "damage" is that? Creating a program that built BFS? A fan base that averages over 20k a game? Winning more than 100 games? The historic victory over VT?

There will come a time when MM steps down, and that time may well be sooner than later, but your posts are making less and less sense.

yes Longhorn, I know you will defend JMU and MM to the ends of the earth.

not everyone feels like you do. My posts make perfect sense to MANY reading this thread.

(09-29-2013 09:21 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 09:16 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  first off, i'm not advocating a change in midseason, just saying it happens.

the time to get rid of Mickey was years ago but the "JMU way" prevented that from happening. and now the damage has already been done.

What "damage" is that? Creating a program that built BFS? A fan base that averages over 20k a game? Winning more than 100 games? The historic victory over VT?

There will come a time when MM steps down, and that time may well be sooner than later, but your posts are making less and less sense.

I just read on twitter that Pat Haden pulled Kiffin aside outside the private aviation terminal at LAX when they returned from the game and fired him. He didn't return with the team to the school. No way JMU treats any coach that way solely based on performance. We may not like it, but it's true.

(09-29-2013 09:07 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Yes, I know it's not JMU's way...and that is exactly the problem and why this is an underachieving program.

Things need to change.

also, in the FCS world, we ARE a USC.

This

(09-29-2013 09:23 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  yes Longhorn, I know you will defend JMU and MM to the ends of the earth.

not everyone feels like you do. My posts make perfect sense to MANY reading this thread.

I'm defending rational thought, not JMU or MM. Keeping a thoughtful perspective on what is still (when the dust settles) just a game is my only agenda.

Defending your take on matters by suggesting your posts (often full of hyperbole and irrational emotional blather) make sense to other folks is a particularly weak line. No doubt you are right, but nonsense is still nonsense, and being able to distinguish nonsense from rational thought isn't (sadly) a universal skill-set. A person needs only to read many of these threads to question the maturity and intelligence of JMU fans.

(09-29-2013 09:30 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 09:07 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Yes, I know it's not JMU's way...and that is exactly the problem and why this is an underachieving program.

Things need to change.

also, in the FCS world, we ARE a USC.

This

There you go Duke Dawg...atl also thinks JMU is the FCS version of USC.

(09-29-2013 09:37 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 09:23 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  yes Longhorn, I know you will defend JMU and MM to the ends of the earth.

not everyone feels like you do. My posts make perfect sense to MANY reading this thread.

I'm defending rational thought, not JMU or MM. Keeping a thoughtful perspective on what is still (when the dust settles) just a game is my only agenda.

Defending your take on matters by suggesting your posts (often full of hyperbole and irrational emotional blather) make sense to other folks is a particularly weak line. No doubt you are right, but nonsense is still nonsense, and being able to distinguish nonsense from rational thought isn't (sadly) a universal skill-set. A person needs only to read many of these threads to question the maturity and intelligence of JMU fans.

Longhorn - ill respect your opinion even if I disagree.

But you seem to think others opinions are "immature", "unintelligent" and "nonsense" all the time.

Most people would find that to be an "immature", "unintelligent" and "nonsensical" way to have a conversation.

Bottom line - you can disagree all you want, thats fine by me. I feel pretty comfortable with my opinions and views. Not really looking for you to validate them.

(09-29-2013 09:38 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 09:30 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(09-29-2013 09:07 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  Yes, I know it's not JMU's way...and that is exactly the problem and why this is an underachieving program.

Things need to change.

also, in the FCS world, we ARE a USC.

This

There you go Duke Dawg...atl also thinks JMU is the FCS version of USC.

I said we are "a" USC.

Do I need to expand upon what that means?

Ok, I will. That additional letter implies we are one of the top schools in fcs in terms of resources, tradition, support, recruiting territory,etc. just like "a" USC type program in fbs. Is that even debatable?

So a consistent streak of years losing 4-5 games, not competing for titles, etc, is cause for concern.

Maybe I need to elaborate in my posts more often so they can be understood by everyone.

DD, we're getting off-target though. The whole point of the USC comparison was an argument that we should ditch MM mid-season, a la Lane Kiffin.

Regardless of being an FCS power (presently debatable), that doesn't translate to the original thought regarding a coaching change.

Your thoughts on my point?

That wasn't my comparison at all. I figured people would get it, but I guess not.

I've been asking for a change for 3 years now. I appreciate all MM has done and they should built a statue for him. But it's looooooong been time for a change. Change is good and necessary sometimes. That time is now past due.

As I've said on here before many times, just like JMU has 3 conferences that want them, the football coaching job will be in extremely high demand. The JMU job has NEVER been available with the resources available to it now. When it does open, we'll get hundreds of quality interested parties within days.

Mickey Matthews has another year left in his contract. JMU allowed Matt Brady to return for his last year of his contact. In many games his basketball teams were not competitive, overmatched, and always played in a near empty convo.
This football team is competitive and has not been blown out in recent times. There is no historical reason to believe the administration will buy out Matthews contract.