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(08-10-2013 03:22 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 02:05 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  

(08-10-2013 02:04 PM)BlazerMatt Wrote:  Basically looks like McGee kicked off one of the most popular players on the team to get more reps for an Arkansas transfer.

It sure does in that story. But there are always two sides to every story.

Did we read the same story? I didn't get that vibe at all, and the story certainly didn't suggest anything of the sort.

We are going in different directions and it would be best to part ways.

That comment is what caused me to have the same reaction Matt did.

& he still will not discuss it openly.

(08-10-2013 02:04 PM)BlazerMatt Wrote:  Basically looks like McGee kicked off one of the most popular players on the team to get more reps for an Arkansas transfer.

I just can't believe that, and I certainly didn't get that impression from the article.

There's certainly more info than has been made public. I got the impression (based on my gut feeling, nothing else) that JW is saying, "I didn't do what I was asked. If I don't bad mouth coach, he won't say anything that hurts my future...so I'm just gonna move on."

Some of you are really pulling at straws here. Get rid of you best receiver to get reps for a new one who hasn't been on a football field in 2 years and who caught a total of 2 passes in 2 years? Do you guys actualy believe that? It's ridiculous! Step back from the edge. Do not hit 'SEND'. Jackie tweeted today that the is no animosity between them. Do not impugn the integrity of a coach or player with this kind of stuff. Feelings are hurt but life goes on.

(08-10-2013 04:17 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Some of you are really pulling at straws here. Get rid of you best receiver to get reps for a new one who hasn't been on a football field in 2 years and who caught a total of 2 passes in 2 years? Do you guys actualy believe that? It's ridiculous! Step back from the edge. Do not hit 'SEND'. Jackie tweeted today that the is no animosity between them. Do not impune the integrity of a coach or player with this kind of stuff. Feelings are hurt but life goes on.

Yes you are correct, I pulled my assumption back. This is just crazy though. I do believe we have a chance to win at least 8 games this year and that going to be a little harder without our top possession receiver.

If anyone thinks Williams doesn't know why he was cut, I have swampland to sell you.

(08-10-2013 05:10 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  If anyone thinks Williams doesn't know why he was cut, I have swampland to sell you.

^^^^^^Yep

This is what has got me scrathing my head over this -

"It wasn't any legal issue or drugs," Williams said. "I didn't violate any team rule or NCAA rule. Coach said he didn't feel like it was best for the program for me to be in it."

He's been a good student, no big disciplinary problems from what I've seen & has been a good player but?? Was he not picking up on the offense & just relying on abilities to catch balls to stay in the game rather than learning the plays???

I assume the truth in some form will eventually come out in the coming days/weeks

There aren't "two sides to every story". There are three...

1) opinion (where there are no rights or wrongs; "my favorite color is forest green")

2) Right

3) Wrong

This isn't an option "1" kinda story. Sorry.

I'm here all week if you people need a remedial class.

I'm not saying it's a 2 or 3 here. But I guaran-FN-tee you it ain't a 1.

I wonder if something came up in conversations with the pro scouts that got back to the coaches?

Something doesn't add up. I don't at all think McGee would dismiss Williams to get more time for Humphrey. First of all there's more than enough passing to go around. Second of all, McGees job here and therefore his future in coaching will be largely judged on how he does at UAB. Would he potentially sacrifice his coaching career over getting any one player more time on the field?

McGee isn't lying. He simply isn't saying anything. Williams is either lying or just playing dumb. But by him shooting his mouth off about not knowing, the questions will continue to come to McGee and he may just end up telling everyone in the end just what happened so McGee doesn't have to experience a character assassination over this.

(08-10-2013 06:55 PM)BlazingGoat Wrote:  There aren't "two sides to every story". There are three...

1) opinion (where there are no rights or wrongs; "my favorite color is forest green")

2) Right

3) Wrong

This isn't an option "1" kinda story. Sorry.

I'm here all week if you people need a remedial class.

I'm not saying it's a 2 or 3 here. But I guaran-FN-tee you it ain't a 1.

Wrong. You need to delve into some of the research on the prejudices (that word has nothing to do with race, btw) our brains carry that cloud our perception. There is:

1) The absolute truth

2) thru n) Versions of the truth (where 'n' represents the number of people directly, indirectly, or tangentially considered to have been close to the situation).

There was a study where researchers convinced one group of subjects that they had seen Bugs Bunny at Disney World (impossible since Bugs is a Warner Bros character). Even when they attempted to "de-program" the individuals by pointing out the absurdity of the idea, every one of them still insisted that they had seen it clear as day with their own eyes.

(08-11-2013 09:20 AM)Blazer85 Wrote:  Something doesn't add up. I don't at all think McGee would dismiss Williams to get more time for Humphrey. First of all there's more than enough passing to go around. Second of all, McGees job here and therefore his future in coaching will be largely judged on how he does at UAB. Would he potentially sacrifice his coaching career over getting any one player more time on the field?

McGee isn't lying. He simply isn't saying anything. Williams is either lying or just playing dumb. But by him shooting his mouth off about not knowing, the questions will continue to come to McGee and he may just end up telling everyone in the end just what happened so McGee doesn't have to experience a character assassination over this.

I think he is only going to experience "character assassination" by those who think they are owed an explanation...be it from JW, McGee, Mackin, or Chris in math class. I won't even guess if I'm in the majority or minority, but one of the "benefits of the doubt" a head coach gets is to keep matters of discipline inside the locker room (the exception being a coach that is accused of abusive and/or illegal behavior that warrants an investigation). Whether what he is doing behind the scenes is right or not will ultimately reveal itself in the success or failure if the team. Some people will feel comfortable passing judgment based on part of the story and that will always be an unfortunate reality.

+1

+1

I returned from a road trip the day after the team one game last year. I believe it was South Carolina. Anyway the boys were already back practicing and I was struck how lazy and rebellious Jackie seemed as they ran sprints. One of the assistants was screaming at him to pick it up as he dropped to the rear each time behind mostly slower players. He seemed to have an attitude of 'I don't have to hustle. I'm a star'. I recall thinking that no matter how good he may be he was sending the wrong message to his teammates and would ride the pine for me in order to send the right message. I give McGee the benefit of doubt that he took it a step further. If so, I expect sprints are being run at a decidedly quicker pace and the team may be better for it now and later. If this is the case, I couldn't be prouder of McGee.

He might not liked being pushed by a true freshman either (Jamri Staples)..........thanks for the insight!

(08-11-2013 04:00 PM)od4uab Wrote:  I returned from a road trip the day after the team one game last year. I believe it was South Carolina. Anyway the boys were already back practicing and I was struck how lazy and rebellious Jackie seemed as they ran sprints. One of the assistants was screaming at him to pick it up as he dropped to the rear each time behind mostly slower players. He seemed to have an attitude of 'I don't have to hustle. I'm a star'. I recall thinking that no matter how good he may be he was sending the wrong message to his teammates and would ride the pine for me in order to send the right message. I give McGee the benefit of doubt that he took it a step further. If so, I expect sprints are being run at a decidedly quicker pace and the team may be better for it now and later. If this is the case, I couldn't be prouder of McGee.

If this is what it's about, then he's lucky he just got quietly kicked off the team. The things that induce rage in a coach go something like this, in increasingly frustrating order....

Bad. A true superstar on a good team who acts like a diva and risks the delicate chemistry with his horrible attitude. (Example: Barry Bonds/Pirates and Giants)

Worse. A true superstar on a bad team who could probably get the others to play harder and better if he would set the right example, but he doesn't because he's a selfish jacka$$. (Example: Allen Iverson/Sixers)

Intolerable. A delusional decent player who thinks he's a superstar just because the team is good and he happens to be one of the pieces that gets the most attention, so he acts like a diva and drives everybody insane. (Example: John Rocker/Braves)

Worthy of Murder. A delusional player who thinks he's a superstar on a team that sucks so bad that he's only considered "good" because everybody else is terrible, but he acts like a diva and drives everybody else insane. (Example: Chad Ochocinco/Bengals)

In other words, if he was acting like you describe, Jackie Williams is lucky McGee didn't murder him instead of just kick him off the team.

I would vote for something around Bad.

Thank goodness McGee took care of the situation or else McGee might end up in jail.

(08-12-2013 10:33 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  I would vote for something around Bad.

Thank goodness McGee took care of the situation or else McGee might end up in jail.

Being able to masterfully deal with "bad" is what made Phil Jackson a Hall-of-Famer and one of the two or three greatest coaches of all time.