(12-04-2013 01:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:36 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:34 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:15 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  Trivia: In the last 20 years how many schools that ran the triple option finished in the top 10?

That's obviously going to be a low number, but I don't know that it's a fruitful argument anyway. GaSo seems all in on the TO, and until they have issues with it, I see no reason to change.

Off the top of my head, though, all I got is GaTech finishing just outside the top 10 a few years ago...and didn't Notre Dame run a variant in the late 80s/early 90s that they had some awesome years with?

Why do you think that is?

Because it is such an amazingly efficient style of offense?

Or do you think that no one uses it because it lacks in comparison to many different offensive styles and is often times ineffective against the speed and size of DB's and LB's in the FBS?

Its not common at the FBS level because the offense is designed to make up for recruiting deficiencies. There is nothing saying a 3O team cannot finish in the top 10. Georgia Tech nearly pulled it off a few years back.

Which is what I literally just said in the previous post.

Also, almost making it into the top 10 once in two decades speaks volumes for the triple option.

(12-04-2013 02:01 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:36 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:34 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:15 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  Trivia: In the last 20 years how many schools that ran the triple option finished in the top 10?

That's obviously going to be a low number, but I don't know that it's a fruitful argument anyway. GaSo seems all in on the TO, and until they have issues with it, I see no reason to change.

Off the top of my head, though, all I got is GaTech finishing just outside the top 10 a few years ago...and didn't Notre Dame run a variant in the late 80s/early 90s that they had some awesome years with?

Why do you think that is?

Because it is such an amazingly efficient style of offense?

Or do you think that no one uses it because it lacks in comparison to many different offensive styles and is often times ineffective against the speed and size of DB's and LB's in the FBS?

Its not common at the FBS level because the offense is designed to make up for recruiting deficiencies. There is nothing saying a 3O team cannot finish in the top 10. Georgia Tech nearly pulled it off a few years back.

Which is what I literally just said in the previous post.

Also, almost making it into the top 10 once in two decades speaks volumes for the triple option.

GT is the only Power 5 program to run the offense, and they have only run it for a few years. Only way a G5 school cracks the top 10 is by going undefeated and getting some help out of losing teams. That's the same no matter what offense they run.

(12-04-2013 02:07 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 02:01 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 01:57 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:36 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:34 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  That's obviously going to be a low number, but I don't know that it's a fruitful argument anyway. GaSo seems all in on the TO, and until they have issues with it, I see no reason to change.

Off the top of my head, though, all I got is GaTech finishing just outside the top 10 a few years ago...and didn't Notre Dame run a variant in the late 80s/early 90s that they had some awesome years with?

Why do you think that is?

Because it is such an amazingly efficient style of offense?

Or do you think that no one uses it because it lacks in comparison to many different offensive styles and is often times ineffective against the speed and size of DB's and LB's in the FBS?

Its not common at the FBS level because the offense is designed to make up for recruiting deficiencies. There is nothing saying a 3O team cannot finish in the top 10. Georgia Tech nearly pulled it off a few years back.

Which is what I literally just said in the previous post.

Also, almost making it into the top 10 once in two decades speaks volumes for the triple option.

GT is the only Power 5 program to run the offense, and they have only run it for a few years. Only way a G5 school cracks the top 10 is by going undefeated and getting some help out of losing teams. That's the same no matter what offense they run.

My point isn't so much that a team that runs the triple option hasn't finished in the top 10 but that teams that do finish in the top 25 even don't run the triple option.


If it was such a good offense then it would be more widely used but it's not and in fact is barely used at all.

(12-04-2013 02:11 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  My point isn't so much that a team that runs the triple option hasn't finished in the top 10 but that teams that do finish in the top 25 even don't run the triple option.


If it was such a good offense then it would be more widely used but it's not and in fact is barely used at all.

Well it sounds like your mind is made up. The triple option won't work at this level. And if you can't "think of a team with less future potential other than Georgia State". You should be happy. That's two automatic conference wins every year for Troy. Which begs the question, why are you "so bummed Georgia Southern is joining"?

(12-04-2013 02:31 PM)sidslidkid Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 02:11 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  My point isn't so much that a team that runs the triple option hasn't finished in the top 10 but that teams that do finish in the top 25 even don't run the triple option.


If it was such a good offense then it would be more widely used but it's not and in fact is barely used at all.

Well it sounds like your mind is made up. The triple option won't work at this level. And if you can't "think of a team with less future potential other than Georgia State". You should be happy. That's two automatic conference wins every year for Troy. Which begs the question, why are you "so bummed Georgia Southern is joining"?

As a GaSou guy you should be used to folks telling us what GaSou cannot or will not do by now. It will be proven on the field one way or the other over the next three to four years. I guess if it is not working we can switch to Troy's offense that gets them "top athletes" and has them being a fixture in the top 25.

Nice Article from none other than Athens Online on Georgia Southern's injuiy woes this season, and what the season ending finale meant.

Just out of curiosity Paul, how many times has your school,running whatever offense they run, made the top ten since joining FBS?

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(12-04-2013 06:05 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  Nice Article from none other than Athens Online on Georgia Southern's injuiy woes this season, and what the season ending finale meant.

I used to live in Bogart, Georgia, just outside Athens.
Winder was sure close.

(12-04-2013 12:15 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  Trivia: In the last 20 years how many schools that ran the triple option finished in the top 10?

Well, a lot of teams might not run it - but how about a National Championship in 97 to make up for the lack of numbers?

NEBRASKA ring a bell?

Still hard to believe that they didn't hire Paul Johnson and some of their fans can't believe it either. http://bringbacktheoption.blogspot.com/

And here is a good read.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...sec-record
It is a major question, Can a team be successful at this level today with this type of offense? Gentlemen, we are about to find out!

Just as good of a question is this: What is going to be your standard of measuring weather or not it is successful? By weather or not Georgia Southern cracks the top 10 in FBS with it? I hardly think that is fair. The top 25? I'd say that you are going to have to compare a more relative number. A number that is representative of how high other Sun Belt teams have managed to get ranked. By that standard, I'd say I think we are going to be successful. Of course the goal will still be to reach #1 ... Yes - To reach # 1. With "visions of sugar plumbs dancing in our heads" after our win over UF, Ok.. so that isn't a sugar plumb, but you get the idea. We DREAM of a day when the FBS playoff is expanded to at least 8 and hopefully 16. In that format, we are comfortable and at 16 the door becomes open wide enough to believe we might eventually have a shot at it.
In the meantime, as we chase number one.. I'm reminded of a a quote that I'll close this reply with. Note: I think our success will be Excellent!

“Gentlemen, we will chase perfection, and we will chase it relentlessly, knowing all the while we can never attain it. But along the way, we shall catch excellence.”

― Vince Lombardi Jr.

I love when we lose a game 33-35 and trolls come out of the woodwork to let us know the option will never work. Usually our lack of defense if our biggest problem. outside of 2010, we have not had a stout D in quite a long time.

(12-04-2013 05:12 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Truth is, GSU has a lot of posters on the main board who would like for GSU to struggle mightily for pure selfishness. We have a contingent of fans that are either HUGE thUGA fans first and foremost, or those that love having privileges that the FCS can offer. IE, close parking, very low prices, hobnobbing with the AD(this is no longer the case because we fired the rubiest of rubes), close proximity of conference games, going to church, etc.

Truth is, this move needed to be made 13 years ago, but the selfish and ignorant ruled our domain back then. Those that went against the grain back then were called heretics.

Wait.. What? I was actually agreeing with you, but that bold part stuck out like a road kill cow in the middle of a desert highway.

What in the heck does going to Church have to do with those that wanted us to stay FCS? Answer: NOTHING!
I think people forget that this Conference could just as accurately be described as the Bible Belt Conference as the Sun Belt. Might even make more sense. Don't know why we need to bring religion into the discussion unless we are going to debate Liberty's membership again.
And even then, I say it isn't relative. The fact is that most of the people in the footprint of our conference are "Believers" and I'd guess most of them do go to Church, and that goes for the SEC and ACC and CUSA as well - so It really makes no sense for the non-believers to take pot shots at religion. Believe what you want, do what you want and let alone what others choose to do, believe or not do or believe. It isn't relative and that should be obvious.

(12-05-2013 09:30 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 05:12 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Truth is, GSU has a lot of posters on the main board who would like for GSU to struggle mightily for pure selfishness. We have a contingent of fans that are either HUGE thUGA fans first and foremost, or those that love having privileges that the FCS can offer. IE, close parking, very low prices, hobnobbing with the AD(this is no longer the case because we fired the rubiest of rubes), close proximity of conference games, going to church, etc.

Truth is, this move needed to be made 13 years ago, but the selfish and ignorant ruled our domain back then. Those that went against the grain back then were called heretics.

Wait.. What? I was actually agreeing with you, but that bold part stuck out like a road kill cow in the middle of a desert highway.

What in the heck does going to Church have to do with those that wanted us to stay FCS? Answer: NOTHING!
I think people forget that this Conference could just as accurately be described as the Bible Belt Conference as the Sun Belt. Might even make more sense. Don't know why we need to bring religion into the discussion unless we are going to debate Liberty's membership again.
And even then, I say it isn't relative. The fact is that most of the people in the footprint of our conference are "Believers" and I'd guess most of them do go to Church, and that goes for the SEC and ACC and CUSA as well - so It really makes no sense for the non-believers to take pot shots at religion. Believe what you want, do what you want and let alone what others choose to do, believe or not do or believe. It isn't relative and that should be obvious.

I think he's tying that into the close games and all that. Able to get home early enough to be able to go to bed and go to church the next morning, not stay overnight and be driving back the next morning.

(12-04-2013 12:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:36 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:34 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:15 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  Trivia: In the last 20 years how many schools that ran the triple option finished in the top 10?

That's obviously going to be a low number, but I don't know that it's a fruitful argument anyway. GaSo seems all in on the TO, and until they have issues with it, I see no reason to change.

Off the top of my head, though, all I got is GaTech finishing just outside the top 10 a few years ago...and didn't Notre Dame run a variant in the late 80s/early 90s that they had some awesome years with?

Why do you think that is?

Because it is such an amazingly efficient style of offense?

Or do you think that no one uses it because it lacks in comparison to many different offensive styles and is often times ineffective against the speed and size of DB's and LB's in the FBS?

It produced one of the top two out of conference wins in Sun Belt history and we only play one FBS game a year. Look for more now that we are actually FBS.

Um, no.

You are not in the SBC this year. And if you think beating a 4-8 Florida team that went winless (0-4) against top 25 opponents this year is a top two win in our conference history then you need to refresh your memory about our conference OOC wins.

Florida 4-8 (3-5)

The 107th ranked passing offense.

The 86th rushing offense.

The 113th scoring offense.

What a powerhouse. I'm so impressed. Yet you still gave up 20 points to this offense.

(12-04-2013 10:21 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  Just out of curiosity Paul, how many times has your school,running whatever offense they run, made the top ten since joining FBS?

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Troy sucks and has sucked for awhile. My school couldn't run a football program efficiently if their lives were at stake.

That being said, it has nothing to do with the present argument as I am discussing Georgia Southern's offense and other football programs that are actually worth mentioning when making a point.

If any of you think you'll get me mad by making fun of Troy...you haven't been around very long is all I'll say.

(12-05-2013 10:24 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 10:21 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  Just out of curiosity Paul, how many times has your school,running whatever offense they run, made the top ten since joining FBS?

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Troy sucks and has sucked for awhile. My school couldn't run a football program efficiently if their lives were at stake.

That being said, it has nothing to do with the present argument as I am discussing Georgia Southern's offense and other football programs that are actually worth mentioning when making a point.

If any of you think you'll get me mad by making fun of Troy...you haven't been around very long is all I'll say.

No team running the triple option has cracked the top 10 does not automatically mean that it cannot happen. But it does say that the offense is not ideally suited for FBS play.

You have to remember that football is a copy cat league. So, if any team having sustained success was running the triple option, it would naturally be implemented across the country. For those old enough to remember, the run 'n gun? Now it's the zone read/read option spread offenses.

I tend to think that Georgia Southern will go to a more "traditional" offense (utilizing more pass, more of a spread formation) upon playing a full FBS schedule. But that's no guarantee. They could find success with it and keep running it.

(12-05-2013 10:32 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 10:24 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 10:21 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  Just out of curiosity Paul, how many times has your school,running whatever offense they run, made the top ten since joining FBS?

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Troy sucks and has sucked for awhile. My school couldn't run a football program efficiently if their lives were at stake.

That being said, it has nothing to do with the present argument as I am discussing Georgia Southern's offense and other football programs that are actually worth mentioning when making a point.

If any of you think you'll get me mad by making fun of Troy...you haven't been around very long is all I'll say.

No team running the triple option has cracked the top 10 does not automatically mean that it cannot happen. But it does say that the offense is not ideally suited for FBS play.

You have to remember that football is a copy cat league. So, if any team having sustained success was running the triple option, it would naturally be implemented across the country. For those old enough to remember, the run 'n gun? Now it's the zone read/read option spread offenses.

I tend to think that Georgia Southern will go to a more "traditional" offense (utilizing more pass, more of a spread formation) upon playing a full FBS schedule. But that's no guarantee. They could find success with it and keep running it.

If we go back to the "traditional" spread someone will burn down the university. We tried running it once, just not our thing.

(12-04-2013 02:11 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  My point isn't so much that a team that runs the triple option hasn't finished in the top 10 but that teams that do finish in the top 25 even don't run the triple option.


If it was such a good offense then it would be more widely used but it's not and in fact is barely used at all.

Your argument is valid, if offense was 100% of the game. Teams have to play defense too.

Offensive Scoring:
- GT is within 2 ppg of: #3 Auburn, #4 Alabama, #5 Missouri.
- GT is outscoring 3 of the top 10 BCS teams: #7 Stanford, #8 South Carolina, #10 Michigan State.
- GT is also outscoring 7 other top 25 teams: #16 UCF, #17 Oklahoma, #18 UCLA, #19 Louisville, #20 Duke, #21 Wisconsin, #25 Texas

You're probably right though they should all change their offensive plans since GT who runs a triple option is outscoring them. NO, they just play better defense (some of them anyway).

This Season: GT - 36.6 ppg, Troy - 34.1 ppg
Against P5 teams this Season: GT - 29.6 ppg, Troy - 19.6 ppg, GS - 26 ppg :)

(12-05-2013 10:22 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:36 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:34 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:15 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  Trivia: In the last 20 years how many schools that ran the triple option finished in the top 10?

That's obviously going to be a low number, but I don't know that it's a fruitful argument anyway. GaSo seems all in on the TO, and until they have issues with it, I see no reason to change.

Off the top of my head, though, all I got is GaTech finishing just outside the top 10 a few years ago...and didn't Notre Dame run a variant in the late 80s/early 90s that they had some awesome years with?

Why do you think that is?

Because it is such an amazingly efficient style of offense?

Or do you think that no one uses it because it lacks in comparison to many different offensive styles and is often times ineffective against the speed and size of DB's and LB's in the FBS?

It produced one of the top two out of conference wins in Sun Belt history and we only play one FBS game a year. Look for more now that we are actually FBS.

Um, no.

You are not in the SBC this year. And if you think beating a 4-8 Florida team that went winless (0-4) against top 25 opponents this year is a top two win in our conference history then you need to refresh your memory about our conference OOC wins.

Florida 4-8 (3-5)

The 107th ranked passing offense.

The 86th rushing offense.

The 113th scoring offense.

What a powerhouse. I'm so impressed. Yet you still gave up 20 points to this offense.

What SBC wins are bigger? ULM over Bama maybe. App over Michigan is.

(12-05-2013 11:19 AM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-05-2013 10:22 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:36 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 12:34 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  That's obviously going to be a low number, but I don't know that it's a fruitful argument anyway. GaSo seems all in on the TO, and until they have issues with it, I see no reason to change.

Off the top of my head, though, all I got is GaTech finishing just outside the top 10 a few years ago...and didn't Notre Dame run a variant in the late 80s/early 90s that they had some awesome years with?

Why do you think that is?

Because it is such an amazingly efficient style of offense?

Or do you think that no one uses it because it lacks in comparison to many different offensive styles and is often times ineffective against the speed and size of DB's and LB's in the FBS?

It produced one of the top two out of conference wins in Sun Belt history and we only play one FBS game a year. Look for more now that we are actually FBS.

Um, no.

You are not in the SBC this year. And if you think beating a 4-8 Florida team that went winless (0-4) against top 25 opponents this year is a top two win in our conference history then you need to refresh your memory about our conference OOC wins.

Florida 4-8 (3-5)

The 107th ranked passing offense.

The 86th rushing offense.

The 113th scoring offense.

What a powerhouse. I'm so impressed. Yet you still gave up 20 points to this offense.

What SBC wins are bigger? ULM over Bama maybe. App over Michigan is.

Troy over #17 Missouri. ULM over #8 Arkansas. ULM over Alabama (Under Saban). Appalachian's win over #5 Michigan would be the best win, but they were not a SBC team. But if they had been it would be #1 in my book. The Florida win is likely a fifth or sixth place win from all former, future, or current SBC teams.

I'll say it's much more impressive because you aren't FBS yet. Had you done it as a SBC it would be less impressive because you would "technically" be on the same "level" as the gators.

(12-05-2013 10:24 AM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(12-04-2013 10:21 PM)bamaEagle Wrote:  Just out of curiosity Paul, how many times has your school,running whatever offense they run, made the top ten since joining FBS?

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Troy sucks and has sucked for awhile. My school couldn't run a football program efficiently if their lives were at stake.

That being said, it has nothing to do with the present argument as I am discussing Georgia Southern's offense and other football programs that are actually worth mentioning when making a point.

If any of you think you'll get me mad by making fun of Troy...you haven't been around very long is all I'll say.

If you are discussing our Offense, then why are you listing Florida's Offensive rankings when discrediting that win?

Our defensive performance has little to do with why other programs may or may not run our style of offense therefore UF's offense has nothing to do with the discussion does it?

So, did we rack up those points and yardage against a terrible UF defense? NO! The fact is that their defense IS still highly ranked.
Their ranking?
#2 Defense in the SEC! Behind ONLY Alabama!
#10 National in Total Defense (And that was AFTER losing to us!)
#20 Scoring Defense.
#34 in Rushing Defense (This is a drop AFTER giving up 429 rushing to us!) UGA is #43 in rushing defense.



It seems you are trying to say that others don't run it because it doesn't work at the FBS level. When CLEARLY it worked against one of the FBS's top defenses from the best BCS/FBS conference.

This is what we did against our FBS opponent. Will it work week in and week out? For us, no one can say but if you want to compare an offense that is as close to ours as you are going to get at the FBS level and talk about cracking the top 25 with that then How about GT?
Ranked #23 Scoring offense in 2013 counting games through 11/30/13. And that was against mostly ACC defenses! I don't know how Sun Belt defenses stack up against the ACC - but I don't think a study of that is going to favor SBC defenses so you might figure our scoring ranking could be higher than GT's next year considering the defenses each will face in 2014.

GT # 3 in TOP (In regards to controlling the Clock and keeping those "pass happy" offenses off the field!)
GT is #6 in rushing yardage in the FBS (I think navy was #3 in total rushing offense).