Personally, I believe the Bubas Cup is very important. It indicates the top programs across the board and should be a source of pride for the winner as well as the others who were in the running until the end of the seasons each year. Historically, the same 3-4 teams truly competed for it each year and there's a big glaring disparity between the top tier programs and the bottom tier. I disagree about the way thepoint system is set up because each sport is sponsored by a different number of schools so schools could rack of points in some sports and not in others and win it more readily but it is what it is.

Am I the only one who wishes this was called the Buba Gump Shrimp Cup?

(07-30-2013 06:01 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Personally, I believe the Bubas Cup is very important. It indicates the top programs across the board and should be a source of pride for the winner as well as the others who were in the running until the end of the seasons each year. Historically, the same 3-4 teams truly competed for it each year and there's a big glaring disparity between the top tier programs and the bottom tier. I disagree about the way thepoint system is set up because each sport is sponsored by a different number of schools so schools could rack of points in some sports and not in others and win it more readily but it is what it is.

Agree on the importance of the Cup...as for UL, Dr. Savoie has publically stated that the Bubas Cup is important and he expects to see improvement in Athletics here across the board.

The Bubas cup is very important. Funny how those proclaiming its irrelevance are perennially near the bottom of the standings. Also, three of the five programs who left for CUSA earn the top three spots for the cup every year. Now that those three are gone some new schools will have a chance to compete for it, making it much more relevant for you all. It's an indication of the success of an entire athletic program, not just football and basketball.

Would think starting next year that App State would win or be a contender every year for the Bubas Cup.
We won the similar one in the SoCon something like 38 of 42 years, or something close to that.

(07-30-2013 06:48 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  The Bubas cup is very important. Funny how those proclaiming its irrelevance are perennially near the bottom of the standings. Also, three of the five programs who left for CUSA earn the top three spots for the cup every year. Now that those three are gone some new schools will have a chance to compete for it, making it much more relevant for you all. It's an indication of the success of an entire athletic program, not just football and basketball.

I think this is the dumbest thing in the world, and my tem has won it as much as anyone except maybe middle, and we come in the top three every year.

(07-30-2013 08:40 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 06:48 PM)joshdude182 Wrote:  The Bubas cup is very important. Funny how those proclaiming its irrelevance are perennially near the bottom of the standings. Also, three of the five programs who left for CUSA earn the top three spots for the cup every year. Now that those three are gone some new schools will have a chance to compete for it, making it much more relevant for you all. It's an indication of the success of an entire athletic program, not just football and basketball.

I think this is the dumbest thing in the world, and my tem has won it as much as anyone except maybe middle, and we come in the top three every year.

You're in the minority my friend. Perhaps in time you'll gain some perspective on the matter...

(07-30-2013 05:37 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 02:47 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 02:10 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 01:45 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 01:31 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This thread proves how irrelevant the boobie cup is.

Yep...one Cajun fan not knowing what the Bubas cup is proves it's irrelevance...

After being n this conference this long? Yes. The only people who give a rat's butt are MT. There is ZERO national recognition of it. There is ZERO money awarded. LITERALLY all you get is a cup. No NCAA berth, no bowl game, no banners, nothing but a dumb cup.

Tell me, how may times have you walked a recruit through you Hall of Lame and said here is our Boobas cups, and he said WOW? He is more likely to laugh and say "haha, he said boobies...." or "What's a Boobas cup?"

Doesnt every conference have a Director's Cup? Do any get national recognition? How is that relevant?

Yes they do. And they are all equally lame. It is stupid. And for the record, the Director's Cup, which WKU just won, is almost as stupid. At least it compares you to schools nationwide.

Um...what?

For all of you shooting for the Buba Cup I wish you the best luck in this endeavor. I just want our football team to win the Belt and another bowl game.

(07-30-2013 06:25 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  Am I the only one who wishes this was called the Buba Gump Shrimp Cup?

Yes, you are.

(07-30-2013 09:37 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  For all of you shooting for the Bubas Cup I wish you the best luck in this endeavor. I just want our football team to win the Belt and another bowl game.

Once you learn the importance of these types of standings (virtually every conference tracks the most consistent winners in their conference), you may have a greater appreciation for it.

(07-30-2013 09:37 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  For all of you shooting for the Buba Cup I wish you the best luck in this endeavor. I just want our football team to win the Belt and another bowl game.

Why do the two have to be exclusive? Why can't you shoot for winning both?

(07-30-2013 09:37 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  For all of you shooting for the Buba Cup I wish you the best luck in this endeavor. I just want our football team to win the Belt and another bowl game.

I understand what you're saying but it is quite interesting that during conference realignment, aka musical chairs, a group of schools (UL included) were using overall program success, overall athletic facilities, etc. to position themselves to move to what they perceived as better conferences...and for good reason. Overall athletic program success has value to conference decision-makers.

The Bubba Gump Cup. Lets win it.

Z

Did the Middle people really not get the Bubas Cup joke?

(07-31-2013 07:40 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 09:37 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  For all of you shooting for the Buba Cup I wish you the best luck in this endeavor. I just want our football team to win the Belt and another bowl game.

I understand what you're saying but it is quite interesting that during conference realignment, aka musical chairs, a group of schools (UL included) were using overall program success, overall athletic facilities, etc. to position themselves to move to what they perceived as better conferences...and for good reason. Overall athletic program success has value to conference decision-makers.

Obviously it does not in alot of instances. FIU, FAU, NT come to mind. UTSA? Not feeling it. That being said, props to all that have won the Bubas Cup!!! YAY!!

Z

Those that understand the importance of excellence in every sport not just football, basketball, and baseball get why this cup is given each year. While 3 sports get 99% of the attention, but the other 15-17 sports and their student athletes are working extremely hard each year.

In reality would I rather win football, basketball, and baseball each year, yep. But for the student athletes sake I'd like all programs to finish in the top half of the conference.

(07-31-2013 07:50 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 07:40 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 09:37 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  For all of you shooting for the Buba Cup I wish you the best luck in this endeavor. I just want our football team to win the Belt and another bowl game.

I understand what you're saying but it is quite interesting that during conference realignment, aka musical chairs, a group of schools (UL included) were using overall program success, overall athletic facilities, etc. to position themselves to move to what they perceived as better conferences...and for good reason. Overall athletic program success has value to conference decision-makers.

Obviously it does not in alot of instances. FIU, FAU, NT come to mind. UTSA? Not feeling it. That being said, props to all that have won the Bubas Cup!!! YAY!!

Z

Of course it's not the only factor. Market played a big role in this recent conference realignment fiasco but fwiw, NT has been a contender for the Bubas Cup regularly. But if a school doesn't have market, being a one trick pony in one sport is not likely to have as much weight as an overall successful athletic program..........btw, overall successful and overall athletic budget seem to typically go hand in hand.

(07-31-2013 07:50 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 07:40 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 09:37 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  For all of you shooting for the Buba Cup I wish you the best luck in this endeavor. I just want our football team to win the Belt and another bowl game.

I understand what you're saying but it is quite interesting that during conference realignment, aka musical chairs, a group of schools (UL included) were using overall program success, overall athletic facilities, etc. to position themselves to move to what they perceived as better conferences...and for good reason. Overall athletic program success has value to conference decision-makers.

Obviously it does not in alot of instances. FIU, FAU, NT come to mind. UTSA? Not feeling it. That being said, props to all that have won the Bubas Cup!!! YAY!!

Z

UNT was consistently in the top third. UTSA won the WAC Commissioner's Cup, beating out TXST, NMSU, Idaho and Utah St.

As one said though, the scoring can be misleading. UTSA was the only team to sponsor 17 sports. All others had 16 or less. Out of a total of 19 (one was gymnastics, which almost all were affiliate members), that makes a difference. If you average out the sports per sport, Denver finished first and UTA was second while UTSA was fifth or so.

In the SLC, there was a time where the Commish Cup was scored in a way where the team sports were double, meaning a win was worth 22 instead of 11 in basketball and they only took the regular season finish. Then they changed it to where a win was worth 12 (after the conference expanded), no matter the number of teams competing.

In the WAC, they averaged the regular and postseason finish, based on the number of teams played. That could all have an impact on the standings and change the outcome, even if everything else was equal.

So while I do think these things are important, it is also a big deal to keep these things in perspective.

(07-31-2013 07:54 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 07:50 AM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(07-31-2013 07:40 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(07-30-2013 09:37 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  For all of you shooting for the Buba Cup I wish you the best luck in this endeavor. I just want our football team to win the Belt and another bowl game.

I understand what you're saying but it is quite interesting that during conference realignment, aka musical chairs, a group of schools (UL included) were using overall program success, overall athletic facilities, etc. to position themselves to move to what they perceived as better conferences...and for good reason. Overall athletic program success has value to conference decision-makers.

Obviously it does not in alot of instances. FIU, FAU, NT come to mind. UTSA? Not feeling it. That being said, props to all that have won the Bubas Cup!!! YAY!!

Z

Of course it's not the only factor. Market played a big role in this recent conference realignment fiasco but fwiw, NT has been a contender for the Bubas Cup regularly. But if a school doesn't have market, being a one trick pony in one sport is not likely to have as much weight as an overall successful athletic program..........btw, overall successful and overall athletic budget seem to typically go hand in hand.

I will also add that outside of football and basketball, an NCAA appearance is still money to the conference. Each step forward in the process is money. So if a conference gets a better tennis team invited, or gets an at-large, and they win a round or two, the conference will get more money. It isn't as much as the majors, but it is still something extra.

That is also why a market-size strategy for realignment might hurt. If the contract isn't there AND they send less teams to postseason tourneys or play less games/matches/rounds, then their check will be smaller.

That check may be a rounding error to the bigger conferences, but the G5 schools can use everything they can get their hands on.