(07-11-2013 02:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 02:10 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:42 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 12:48 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 12:40 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I am not sure what WKU fans have said we will run through this conference in football unless you are getting confused with the basketball side of things in which most WKU Fans are confident of running through the Sun Belt in basketball men['s]...

LOL

What is funny about that statement?

That you guys think you are going to "run[] through the Sun Belt."

Maybe not the regular season, but someone is going to have to actually beat those guys come tourney time. They have owned the SBC Tourney the last few years, and we don't want any CUSA bound teams winning the league on their way out.

We'll see what we can do about that.

(07-11-2013 09:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

Hudspeth is not Top 20, and Freeze a some more coaching to do at Ole Miss before he should be considered. Hedspeth has some good records at lower levels, but hasn't gotten Louisiana to at Top 25 ranking or more than 8 wins in the regular season. He has to show he can play defense as well.

Hudspeth is WAY over rated ---just lucky in taking over for Bustle that had turned the program around and really hasn't gotten the base too excited---season tickets aren't that high or lucky invites to bowls boast his reputation especially winning against to teams of the MWC and CUSA-----WINK WINK WINK!!!!

(07-11-2013 02:40 PM)exflash Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

Hudspeth is not Top 20, and Freeze a some more coaching to do at Ole Miss before he should be considered. Hudspeth has some good records at lower levels, but hasn't gotten Louisiana to at Top 25 ranking or more than 8 wins in the regular season. He has to show he can play defense as well.

Hudspeth is WAY over rated ---just lucky in taking over for Bustle that had turned the program around and really hasn't gotten the base too excited---season tickets aren't that high or lucky invites to bowls boast his reputation especially winning against to teams of the MWC and CUSA-----WINK WINK WINK!!!!

Typical. You say one thing that doesn't completely shower Hudspeth in praise and someone gets their feelings hurt. Hudspeth is a great coach, but he is not a Top 20 coach. You can't be a Top 20 coach without cracking the Top 25. That's just common sense. He has yet to win nine games in the regular season playing in one of the weakest conferences in FBS football.

(07-11-2013 12:40 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:34 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

The question then remains... this list only has the top 10... so did you read it?

The article shows the top 10, plus the first 5 out, plus the next 5 'heirs apparent'.

Ok.. thats still only the top 15, and worst 5. Not top 20. :) They could have been 16 and 17 for all you know.

Well, we are switching subjects from football to basketball, but here goes. You Georgia State boys have apparently not been keeping up with the off season movements regarding Hilltopper basketball. Besides returning all of the important players from last year's NCAA team we have acquired two quality point guards and two jucos that have size and strength. Barring the injury bug that decimated last year's team until tourney time, we will be deep and strong at every position with lots of experience. And, we do have the best coach in the league.

Come to New Orleans and help us celebrate our next NCAA bid!


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(07-11-2013 02:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 02:10 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:42 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 12:48 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  LOL

What is funny about that statement?

That you guys think you are going to "run[] through the Sun Belt."

Maybe not the regular season, but someone is going to have to actually beat those guys come tourney time. They have owned the SBC Tourney the last few years, and we don't want any CUSA bound teams winning the league on their way out.

We'll see what we can do about that.
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(07-11-2013 03:31 PM)Dudleytop Wrote:  Well, we are switching subjects from football to basketball, but here goes. You Georgia State boys have apparently not been keeping up with the off season movements regarding Hilltopper basketball. Besides returning all of the important players from last year's NCAA team we have acquired two quality point guards and two jucos that have size and strength. Barring the injury bug that decimated last year's team until tourney time, we will be deep and strong at every position with lots of experience. And, we do have the best coach in the league.

Come to New Orleans and help us celebrate our next NCAA bid!

(07-11-2013 02:33 PM)panama Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 02:32 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 02:10 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:42 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 12:48 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  LOL

What is funny about that statement?

That you guys think you are going to "run[] through the Sun Belt."

Maybe not the regular season, but someone is going to have to actually beat those guys come tourney time. They have owned the SBC Tourney the last few years, and we don't want any CUSA bound teams winning the league on their way out.

We'll see what we can do about that.

Oh...pardon me...you mean you got recruits in the offseason? That's amazing!

Is he scared?



Nope.

Is he scared?



Nope.

Is he scared?



Nope.

How about him?



Nada.

Sorry dude.

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

True, thats a ******-up list. Holy Crap!!!

Why is there NO filter for ******-up? I almost got myself in trouble. Would thise in charge please help a brutha out? Please?

Z

(07-11-2013 04:53 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

True, thats a ******-up list. Holy Crap!!!

Why is there NO filter for ******-up? I almost got myself in trouble. Would thise in charge please help a brutha out? Please?

Z

That's one of about a thousand or so phrases that have been discovered to be censor proof. Its going to take time.

(07-11-2013 04:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 04:53 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

True, thats a ******-up list. Holy Crap!!!

Why is there NO filter for ******-up? I almost got myself in trouble. Would thise in charge please help a brutha out? Please?

Z

That's one of about a thousand or so phrases that have been discovered to be censor proof. Its going to take time.

I dont have time.

Z

(07-11-2013 09:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

Hudspeth is not Top 20, and Freeze a some more coaching to do at Ole Miss before he should be considered. Hedspeth has some good records at lower levels, but hasn't gotten Louisiana to at Top 25 ranking or more than 8 wins in the regular season. He has to show he can play defense as well.

You are off your rocker. Freeze is every bit as good as the rope dude.

(07-11-2013 09:52 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

Hudspeth is not Top 20, and Freeze a some more coaching to do at Ole Miss before he should be considered. Hedspeth has some good records at lower levels, but hasn't gotten Louisiana to at Top 25 ranking or more than 8 wins in the regular season. He has to show he can play defense as well.

You are off your rocker. Freeze is every bit as good as the rope dude.

We're talking about Top 20. Freeze is no doubt on the cusp though. He is an outstanding coach. I think he had a Top 5 recruiting class this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he rolled off a few years in the Top 25 in row very soon. He would (and probably will be) a Top 20 coach. I don't know who the rope is, but Freeze should be considered way before Hudspeth.

(07-11-2013 09:58 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:52 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 09:20 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  Any list of 'best' coaches in NCAA FBS that does not have both Mark Hudspedth and Hugh Freeze in its top 20 is not worth the read.

Hudspeth is not Top 20, and Freeze a some more coaching to do at Ole Miss before he should be considered. Hedspeth has some good records at lower levels, but hasn't gotten Louisiana to at Top 25 ranking or more than 8 wins in the regular season. He has to show he can play defense as well.

You are off your rocker. Freeze is every bit as good as the rope dude.

We're talking about Top 20. Freeze is no doubt on the cusp though. He is an outstanding coach. I think he had a Top 5 recruiting class this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he rolled off a few years in the Top 25 in row very soon. He would (and probably will be) a Top 20 coach. I don't know who the rope is, but Freeze should be considered way before Hudspeth.

I apologize, my reading comprehension needs work.

(07-11-2013 01:11 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Its worth noting that Petrino left both Louisville and Arkansas in shambles. He knows how to coach offense...but his teams traditionally have some of the worst defenses around.

I am pretty confident there are 10 college coaches better.

That is quite simply false.

(07-12-2013 12:52 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:11 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Its worth noting that Petrino left both Louisville and Arkansas in shambles. He knows how to coach offense...but his teams traditionally have some of the worst defenses around.

I am pretty confident there are 10 college coaches better.

That is quite simply false.

Have you watched his defenses at Arkansas and Louisville?

(07-12-2013 01:24 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-12-2013 12:52 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(07-11-2013 01:11 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Its worth noting that Petrino left both Louisville and Arkansas in shambles. He knows how to coach offense...but his teams traditionally have some of the worst defenses around.

I am pretty confident there are 10 college coaches better.

That is quite simply false.

Have you watched his defenses at Arkansas and Louisville?

Total defense by year:

Ark 2007 (before BP): No 55
Ark 2008: No 75
Ark 2009: No 96
Ark 2010: No 48
Ark 2011: No 55

At UA he took over a dumpster fire of a program playing in the SEC. Took a couple of years to build them up and fared pretty well.

At UL
2003 (year 1): 82
2004: 12
2005: 21

Scoring Defense correlates similarly. Playiing in the SEC makes rebuilds MUCH tougher, thus all of the issues for UA, whereas UL took off almost instantly.

At both of these schools BP took over struggling programs and had to rebuild. He is catching a WKU team full of AAs and Trophy nominees. What few holes he found, he filled with the JuCo route. This team is poised for greatness. We have a leader to get us there. If we were to get into a BCS bowl, then BP leaves and we are somehow left in shambles for a couple of years, would it be worth it? I think so. With the way SBC and somewhat CUSA football is, it is very cyclical anyway.

I don't know where you got your data from, but the numbers are off according to the NCAA. You actually hurt your argument a tad with some of them, as the actual numbers seem to be more in your favor. Have a look:

Total defense by year:

Ark 2005 (before BP): No 34
Ark 2006 (before BP): No 26
Ark 2007 (before BP): No 46
Ark 2008: No 72
Ark 2009: No 89
Ark 2010: No 36
Ark 2011: No 47

Louisville:
2003: 93
2004: 15
2005: 23

What jumps out at me is in the first year at Louisville and Arkansas his defenses weren't good. We only have to face Petrino for that first year. We'll see how that plays out and see what he can do with the players he inherited.

(07-12-2013 09:31 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  At both of these schools BP took over struggling programs and had to rebuild. He is catching a WKU team full of AAs and Trophy nominees.

I'm really struggling on what to say here, or should I even say anything. I'm dumbfounded on some of things I'm reading on this board lately. Western has a team FULL of AA's. Hudspeth is a Top 20 coach without ever winning the SBC, without winning more than eight games in the regular, and without cracking the Top 25. Seminole Indian says no one is beating Arkansas State for a very long time, the talent level is so far advanced from anyone in the SBC and they will be the next Boise. Georgia Southern will win the SBC in 2014, no one will ever see the Triple Option coming. Can't stop it. It's one thing to have faith in your program, but to be outright drowning in kool-aid is another.

Troy should just pack up and go to FCS where we'll at least get one conference win a year. No sense in trying to get a win in this league.

Or maybe WKU has a team full of guys who go to AA meetings? Those "AAs" were decent because they flourished in the system they were in. They might not be so good in Petrino's system.

(07-12-2013 09:31 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  If we were to get into a BCS bowl, then BP leaves and we are somehow left in shambles for a couple of years, would it be worth it?

WKU should have a good team. But put the Kool-Aid down. Your hard on for Petrino isn't going to will a BCS bowl into existence for Western Kentucky. I doubt any SBC teams makes a BCS bowl this year because of SoS and a lack of good teams like Ohio State being bowl banned this year.