(06-07-2013 01:06 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  you've got USF(2001) and UCF(1996) as legacy programs? They've got a total of 2 conference championships and 6 bowl wins between them. They've had 1 top 25 season between them as well. That counts for a legacy?

How about Miami of Ohio with 22 conference championships, 7 bowl wins, and a #10 ranked season as recent as 2003? Or how about Toledo with 13 conference championships, 7 bowl wins and 4 top 25 seasons, and a 5-1 home record vs top 25 BCS opponents?

What do you define as a "top 25 season". USF finished 2007 ranked #21 in the final BCS poll. USF was also ranked in the top 10 in both the 2007 and 2008 seasons. Was also ranked in top 25 in the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons. However did not finish those particular seasons ranked. Have defeated more high profile opponents in the last 5-6 years than the entire MAC combined. Also has an overall all time winning percentage of .610. Actually was much higher than this until last year's 3-9 season. In fact, prior to last 2 years, USF had a grand total of ONE losing season in history (albeit a short sampling of 15 years).

(06-07-2013 02:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:


1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
3a. USF .610 (16 years)
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

FIFY

Better check your math. Your wiki page is not updated

189 games 111 wins and 78 loses

.587 is your current win %

(06-07-2013 02:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:


1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
3a. USF .610 (16 years)
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

FIFY

Here's the last 16 years:

1. Boise St .822
2. BYU .642
3. Louisville .621
4. Toledo .617
5. Marshall .598
6. Air Force .596
7. Southern Miss .592
8. Fresno St .590
9. Cincinnati .581
10. USF .579

(06-07-2013 03:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 01:06 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  you've got USF(2001) and UCF(1996) as legacy programs? They've got a total of 2 conference championships and 6 bowl wins between them. They've had 1 top 25 season between them as well. That counts for a legacy?

How about Miami of Ohio with 22 conference championships, 7 bowl wins, and a #10 ranked season as recent as 2003? Or how about Toledo with 13 conference championships, 7 bowl wins and 4 top 25 seasons, and a 5-1 home record vs top 25 BCS opponents?

What do you define as a "top 25 season". USF finished 2007 ranked #21 in the final BCS poll. USF was also ranked in the top 10 in both the 2007 and 2008 seasons. Was also ranked in top 25 in the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons. However did not finish those particular seasons ranked. Have defeated more high profile opponents in the last 5-6 years than the entire MAC combined. Also has an overall all time winning percentage of .610. Actually was much higher than this until last year's 3-9 season. In fact, prior to last 2 years, USF had a grand total of ONE losing season in history (albeit a short sampling of 15 years).

For rankings I was referring to the end od season, final AP Poll. There have been many more times where teams have made an appearance for a week or 2 mid season, the MAC had 4 just last year.

You claim that USF has had more high profile wins over the last 5 or 6 years than the MAC combined? Ok, let's look at top 25 wins since 2007-

USF- 4 (#13Kansas, 2008), (#18Florida State, #21WVU, 2009), (#16ND, 2011).
MAC- 4, just last year, I didn't bother going any further back. (#15Rutgers, #17Kent State, #21Cincinnati, #25Toledo).

Miami had a higher winning percentage for 15 years from 1972-1986 (.671) which included a three year run of 32-1-1. Toledo had a 15 year winning percentage of .660 ('69-'83) during which they had a 35 game winning streak, 5th longest in NCAA history. Just because teams have been playing a lot longer doesn't mean they haven''t had success.

So, who really is the best of the rest but only taking FB into consideration and a very specific date range.

No love for the double-Heisman backfield and three straight national championships? Plus a UNC-style cheating scandal?



I don't follow pro football, be it NFL or its minor league, the BCS.

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:

1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

actual facts instead of opinion and suddenly 8 MAC teams show up. interesting.

break down by conference (after agreed upon moves complete)-
AAC- 6
CUSA- 3
MAC- 8
MWC- 6
SBC- 0
Ind- 1
out- 1

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:

1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

That's not an accurate picture in the least. One some of those wins were 1-AA for some and some play much harder schedules than others. WMU, Nevada, BG, Miami (OH), and Toledo don't play anywhere as hard a schedule as ECU and they play in what on average is a much weaker conferences, WAC, MAC, Big West, Big Sky, etc.

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:

1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

Tulsa is below .500 over the last 20 years but has an 84-47 record over the last 10. The 10 previous years (30-81-1) were the worst in school history. Thank God we were great in basketball during that time.

Tulsa is definitely one of the best non-AQ football schools over the last 10 years. It goes to show that a program that is dead in the water can turn things around if the school makes the commitment AND hires the right people.

(06-07-2013 03:50 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:05 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 01:06 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  you've got USF(2001) and UCF(1996) as legacy programs? They've got a total of 2 conference championships and 6 bowl wins between them. They've had 1 top 25 season between them as well. That counts for a legacy?

How about Miami of Ohio with 22 conference championships, 7 bowl wins, and a #10 ranked season as recent as 2003? Or how about Toledo with 13 conference championships, 7 bowl wins and 4 top 25 seasons, and a 5-1 home record vs top 25 BCS opponents?

What do you define as a "top 25 season". USF finished 2007 ranked #21 in the final BCS poll. USF was also ranked in the top 10 in both the 2007 and 2008 seasons. Was also ranked in top 25 in the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons. However did not finish those particular seasons ranked. Have defeated more high profile opponents in the last 5-6 years than the entire MAC combined. Also has an overall all time winning percentage of .610. Actually was much higher than this until last year's 3-9 season. In fact, prior to last 2 years, USF had a grand total of ONE losing season in history (albeit a short sampling of 15 years).

For rankings I was referring to the end od season, final AP Poll. There have been many more times where teams have made an appearance for a week or 2 mid season, the MAC had 4 just last year.

You claim that USF has had more high profile wins over the last 5 or 6 years than the MAC combined? Ok, let's look at top 25 wins since 2007-

USF- 4 (#13Kansas, 2008), (#18Florida State, #21WVU, 2009), (#16ND, 2011).
MAC- 4, just last year, I didn't bother going any further back. (#15Rutgers, #17Kent State, #21Cincinnati, #25Toledo).

Miami had a higher winning percentage for 15 years from 1972-1986 (.671) which included a three year run of 32-1-1. Toledo had a 15 year winning percentage of .660 ('69-'83) during which they had a 35 game winning streak, 5th longest in NCAA history. Just because teams have been playing a lot longer doesn't mean they haven''t had success.

You missed several for USF. Don't have time now but I'll post them later but off the top of my head u missed #5 wvu, another top 15 wvu, a top 10 Louisville, top 20 Auburn, Clemson, Miami and others.

Just for S&G --

0. ODU .792 (4 years)
1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
3a. USF .610 (16 years)
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448


(1 for each year!)

(06-07-2013 04:11 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:

1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

actual facts instead of opinion and suddenly 8 MAC teams show up. interesting.

break down by conference (after agreed upon moves complete)-
AAC- 6
CUSA- 3
MAC- 8
MWC- 6
SBC- 0
Ind- 1
out- 1

What's a MAC? Do you mean a Big Mac?

(06-07-2013 06:48 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 04:11 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:

1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

actual facts instead of opinion and suddenly 8 MAC teams show up. interesting.

break down by conference (after agreed upon moves complete)-
AAC- 6
CUSA- 3
MAC- 8
MWC- 6
SBC- 0
Ind- 1
out- 1

What's a MAC? Do you mean a Big Mac?

ask me again after week 3 when you're 1-2.

(06-07-2013 04:41 PM)Nice Guy Eddie Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:

1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

Tulsa is below .500 over the last 20 years but has an 84-47 record over the last 10. The 10 previous years (30-81-1) were the worst in school history. Thank God we were great in basketball during that time.

Tulsa is definitely one of the best non-AQ football schools over the last 10 years. It goes to show that a program that is dead in the water can turn things around if the school makes the commitment AND hires the right people.

Ditto Houston. We were awful in the late nineties through about 2002. That was the worst the program has been in its entire history. Much better before and after that period. If you go with all time winning percentage we would be much higher and I suspect S Miss would be number 1.

(06-07-2013 08:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ditto Houston. We were awful in the late nineties through about 2002. That was the worst the program has been in its entire history. Much better before and after that period. If you go with all time winning percentage we would be much higher and I suspect S Miss would be number 1.

Here is All-Time winning percentage (record):

1. Boise St .777 (254-72-2)
2. UTSA .667 (8-4)
3. Miami OH .615 (668-410-44)
4. CMU .601 (583-381-36)
5. Fresno St .594 (568-383-29)
6. Southern Miss .589 (551-380-25)
7. Bowling Green .585 (505-350-52)
8. USF .579 (84-61)
9. BYU .575 (530-388-26)
10. Army .573 (654-481-51)
10. La Tech .573 (522-385-34)
12. Tulsa .567 (583-442-27)
13. Hawaii .563 (532-410-26)
14. WMU .556 (529-419-24)
15. Navy .551 (664-535-58)
16. Toledo .548 (492-403-24)
17. Air Force .545 (350-291-13)
18. SD State .535 (270-234-8)
19. Houston .532 (388-341-15)
20. NIU .529 (501-444-38)
21. Troy .527 (77-69)
22. Ball St .523 (421-383-32)
23. North Texas .519 (411-379-31)
24. ECU .518 (405-376-12)
25. UCF .517 (106-99)

(06-07-2013 09:27 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 08:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ditto Houston. We were awful in the late nineties through about 2002. That was the worst the program has been in its entire history. Much better before and after that period. If you go with all time winning percentage we would be much higher and I suspect S Miss would be number 1.

Here is All-Time winning percentage (record):

1. Boise St .777 (254-72-2)
2. UTSA .667 (8-4)
3. Miami OH .615 (668-410-44)
4. CMU .601 (583-381-36)
5. Fresno St .594 (568-383-29)
6. Southern Miss .589 (551-380-25)
7. Bowling Green .585 (505-350-52)
8. USF .579 (84-61)
9. BYU .575 (530-388-26)
10. Army .573 (654-481-51)
10. La Tech .573 (522-385-34)
12. Tulsa .567 (583-442-27)
13. Hawaii .563 (532-410-26)
14. WMU .556 (529-419-24)
15. Navy .551 (664-535-58)
16. Toledo .548 (492-403-24)
17. Air Force .545 (350-291-13)
18. SD State .535 (270-234-8)
19. Houston .532 (388-341-15)
20. NIU .529 (501-444-38)
21. Troy .527 (77-69)
22. Ball St .523 (421-383-32)
23. North Texas .519 (411-379-31)
24. ECU .518 (405-376-12)
25. UCF .517 (106-99)

Since many of those teams' wins/losses includes years as Small College/Div II/IAA/FCS a correction needs to be made. UTSA was FCS for 1 year so that year must be included as well. If so,

UTSA would be #18 at .545 (12-10)

Also, although not on someone's list but....
MTSU would be #12 at .571 (535-398-28)
WKU would be #7 at .583 (524-371-31)

(06-07-2013 03:17 PM)Hilltop1215 Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:59 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:


1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
3a. USF .610 (16 years)
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

FIFY

Better check your math. Your wiki page is not updated

189 games 111 wins and 78 loses

.587 is your current win %

You're right. They didn't add in last year's debacle. My bad.

(06-07-2013 09:27 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 08:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ditto Houston. We were awful in the late nineties through about 2002. That was the worst the program has been in its entire history. Much better before and after that period. If you go with all time winning percentage we would be much higher and I suspect S Miss would be number 1.

Here is All-Time winning percentage (record):

1. Boise St .777 (254-72-2)
2. UTSA .667 (8-4)
3. Miami OH .615 (668-410-44)
4. CMU .601 (583-381-36)
5. Fresno St .594 (568-383-29)
6. Southern Miss .589 (551-380-25)
7. Bowling Green .585 (505-350-52)
8. USF .579 (84-61)
9. BYU .575 (530-388-26)
10. Army .573 (654-481-51)
10. La Tech .573 (522-385-34)
12. Tulsa .567 (583-442-27)
13. Hawaii .563 (532-410-26)
14. WMU .556 (529-419-24)
15. Navy .551 (664-535-58)
16. Toledo .548 (492-403-24)
17. Air Force .545 (350-291-13)
18. SD State .535 (270-234-8)
19. Houston .532 (388-341-15)
20. NIU .529 (501-444-38)
21. Troy .527 (77-69)
22. Ball St .523 (421-383-32)
23. North Texas .519 (411-379-31)
24. ECU .518 (405-376-12)
25. UCF .517 (106-99)

Wrong. USF is 111-78, for a .587 percentage.

(06-07-2013 11:11 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 09:27 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 08:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Ditto Houston. We were awful in the late nineties through about 2002. That was the worst the program has been in its entire history. Much better before and after that period. If you go with all time winning percentage we would be much higher and I suspect S Miss would be number 1.

Here is All-Time winning percentage (record):

1. Boise St .777 (254-72-2)
2. UTSA .667 (8-4)
3. Miami OH .615 (668-410-44)
4. CMU .601 (583-381-36)
5. Fresno St .594 (568-383-29)
6. Southern Miss .589 (551-380-25)
7. Bowling Green .585 (505-350-52)
8. USF .579 (84-61)
9. BYU .575 (530-388-26)
10. Army .573 (654-481-51)
10. La Tech .573 (522-385-34)
12. Tulsa .567 (583-442-27)
13. Hawaii .563 (532-410-26)
14. WMU .556 (529-419-24)
15. Navy .551 (664-535-58)
16. Toledo .548 (492-403-24)
17. Air Force .545 (350-291-13)
18. SD State .535 (270-234-8)
19. Houston .532 (388-341-15)
20. NIU .529 (501-444-38)
21. Troy .527 (77-69)
22. Ball St .523 (421-383-32)
23. North Texas .519 (411-379-31)
24. ECU .518 (405-376-12)
25. UCF .517 (106-99)

Wrong. USF is 111-78, for a .587 percentage.

I think some of these records are a mix of FCS/Div2/Div1 records while some are all Div1/FBS. Still, it is interesting information.

(06-07-2013 06:48 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 04:11 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 02:15 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  Here's winning percentages over the past 20 years:

1. Boise St .786
2. BYU .659
3. Toledo .622
4. Louisville .609
5. Marshall .594
6. Air Force .585
7. Southern Miss .581
8. Cincinnati .568
9. Fresno St .567
10. Nevada .554
11. Miami (OH) .536
12. Bowling Green .523
13. UCF .517
14. WMU .515
15. ECU .512
16. Navy .510
17. Northern Illinois .508
18. La Tech .479
19. Tulsa .471
20. Wyoming .464
21. CMU .454
22. Ohio .452
23. Ball St .451
24. SD State .450
25. Houston .448

actual facts instead of opinion and suddenly 8 MAC teams show up. interesting.

break down by conference (after agreed upon moves complete)-
AAC- 6
CUSA- 3
MAC- 8
MWC- 6
SBC- 0
Ind- 1
out- 1

What's a MAC? Do you mean a Big Mac?

Big MAC ...Not like fCs-USA.