(03-09-2013 09:49 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask and President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference.

You struggle to understand that the money NMSU cost the conference in football would be regain by their basketball credits.

To get more credits, wouldn't the Sun Belt need two members to make the tournament? Or are you saying NMSU would make a run in the tournament and earn the conference more credits?

NMSU is more likely to get a higher seed in the tourny than any team left in the Belt. Higher seed mean better chance to win games. They also have a better chance to get an at latge bod ifnthe weren't to win the conference.

(03-09-2013 09:52 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:48 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask each President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference. It is a bit bigger issue than an east/west compromise. It is money out of every member's pocket. Too big of a risk in the new system.

Wow, no official invite as yet but you are already dictating what the Presidents should do? If you believe ULM, ULL or stAte didn't do enough to get the conference ranked, do you kick them out? With that kind of thinking, I can understand why the West schools would want numerical parity with the East schools.

I am not one of the Presidents. I promise. Just a person on a message board. Just pointing out that these are issues that all school Presidents are debating.

Best news I had all day. The point is, if Southern and App State are as good as you guys believe, carry a NMSU in football should not be a big deal. Added to that is the fact that they are a team that could pay their way in basketball (yes, basketball actually can earn money for a conference).

(03-09-2013 09:58 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:49 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask and President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference.

You struggle to understand that the money NMSU cost the conference in football would be regain by their basketball credits.

To get more credits, wouldn't the Sun Belt need two members to make the tournament? Or are you saying NMSU would make a run in the tournament and earn the conference more credits?

NCAA Credits are over six years...not just one year. NMSU stands a good chance of becoming an at large team, or winning a tourney game, and we would get those units.

Credit stays with the conference.

(03-09-2013 09:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  You struggle to understand that the money NMSU cost the conference in football would be regain by their basketball credits.

I doubt that. What did NMSU bring in credits to the SBC during their first time in SBC? Yes, they are good in basketball, which I am all for, but I don't think NMSU will mean the SBC will get multiple bids. They are just more likely to get the AQ. The might win a game, but not with the seed they would likely get because of their membership in SBC.

I am in favor of NMSU, but they don't bring more money. They bring stability.

(03-09-2013 09:58 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:49 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:39 PM)statefanatic Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask and President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference.

You struggle to understand that the money NMSU cost the conference in football would be regain by their basketball credits.

To get more credits, wouldn't the Sun Belt need two members to make the tournament? Or are you saying NMSU would make a run in the tournament and earn the conference more credits?

NCAA Credits are over six years...not just one year. NMSU would bring credits with them on their way into the league

Got it. Thanks for the info. I am sure the accountants are crunching the numbers to see what they bring there and what their impact could be in football payouts. Looks like the have 3 NCAA appearances since 2007, but I assume those credits slowly dry up once they join the Sun Belt since its a one bid league.

(03-09-2013 06:38 PM)app4ever Wrote:  I'd like to inquire where the Liberty stuff suddenly came from? I've checked the FlamesFans.com message board a couple of times this afternoon and there's not one thread or one post about realignment. Not one! Our seven or eight message boards have been on f-i-r-e for more than a year. Seems odd!

Of course, we as fans make no decisions, but one would think Liberty fans would be at least a tad curious!

Oh we are plenty interested and have a thread with close to 4700 replies on the subject:

https://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewtop...12&t=15624

And until the locals here protested vociferously that we weren't a legitimate candidate, there were scores of Liberty fans on this board as well.

Those on here who seem fixated on the comments of our long since passed founder may wind up being very surprised by how events occur in the coming months. Our facilities are second to none in the Sun Belt. Our football stadium may only seat a shade under 20k now but we are shovel-ready with cash in hand to push that to 30ish in the next year.

And if you ask those who play us regularly, the only issues they tend to have with us is that we outspend most of them on our programs. Check out the following story this past week from the Washington Post:

WaPo Article: Virginia’s Liberty transforms into evangelical mega-university

I have a feeling those who read the story might have a few of their perceptions of the school tweaked.

(03-09-2013 11:06 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:38 PM)app4ever Wrote:  I'd like to inquire where the Liberty stuff suddenly came from? I've checked the FlamesFans.com message board a couple of times this afternoon and there's not one thread or one post about realignment. Not one! Our seven or eight message boards have been on f-i-r-e for more than a year. Seems odd!

Of course, we as fans make no decisions, but one would think Liberty fans would be at least a tad curious!

Oh we are plenty interested and have a thread with close to 4700 replies on the subject:

https://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewtop...12&t=15624

And until the locals here protested vociferously that we weren't a legitimate candidate, there were scores of Liberty fans on this board as well.

Those on here who seem fixated on the comments of our long since passed founder may wind up being very surprised by how events occur in the coming months. Our facilities are second to none in the Sun Belt. Our football stadium may only seat a shade under 20k now but we are shovel-ready with cash in hand to push that to 30ish in the next year.

And if you ask those who play us regularly, the only issues they tend to have with us is that we outspend most of them on our programs. Check out the following story this past week from the Washington Post:

WaPo Article: Virginia’s Liberty transforms into evangelical mega-university

I have a feeling those who read the story might have a few of their perceptions of the school tweaked.

I find it humorous that Liberty is the Flames, considering the school's alleged stance on homosexuality.

I hope to hell Arkansas State University never associates with your "school".

But if we do, I hope we beat your asses, to biblical proportions, relentlessly.

We fully support your right to express your opinions. As a Texan, I'm not crazy about the idea of road games in Jonesboro requiring extended drive times in Arkansas. But I think I could learn to overcome my prejudices.

(03-09-2013 11:25 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  We fully support your right to express your opinions. As a Texan, I'm not crazy about the idea of road games in Jonesboro requiring extended drive times in Arkansas. But I think I could learn to overcome my prejudices.

So you would compromise your beliefs to be Division I? And you are in fact admitting that you have prejudices against certain people?

(03-09-2013 07:25 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:03 PM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 05:35 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  I would be embarrassed if Liberty joined. Would probably be the end of my support.

Why? It can't be because of facilities because I'm willing to bet they're as good or better than anyone's in the SB. Because they are a "religious" school?

I wonder if the SGA would let a student run KKK group join just because they don't lynch black people anymore...

I suppose human dignity is more important to me than sports facilities.

Sorry dude but that is just plain ignorance. Every absurdity has a champion to defend it. Step up to the podium and accept your trophy.

(03-09-2013 11:58 PM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:25 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:03 PM)Wild Bill Kelso Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 05:35 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  I would be embarrassed if Liberty joined. Would probably be the end of my support.

Why? It can't be because of facilities because I'm willing to bet they're as good or better than anyone's in the SB. Because they are a "religious" school?

I wonder if the SGA would let a student run KKK group join just because they don't lynch black people anymore...

I suppose human dignity is more important to me than sports facilities.

Sorry dude but that is just plain ignorance. Every absurdity has a champion to defend it. Step up to the podium and accept your trophy.

Instead of making same bull**** statement why don't you have evidence to support your claim that I'm ignorant? I have evidence to support mine.

(03-09-2013 09:36 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  If the league wants NMSU, then each President must make a conscious decision to say I am willing to donate $500k from my school to another league school for the sake of having them in my conference. They are that bad in football and it will at some point result in the conference dropping a spot in the payouts. I would ask each President that supports NMSU if they are willing to donate $500k to a team in another conference. It is a bit bigger issue than an east/west compromise. It is money out of every member's pocket. Too big of a risk in the new system.

Why does it cost that much more (if anything) to get from Monroe to Las Cruces than from Monroe to Statesboro? Educate me please. If you're travel partners with anyone but Georgia State, its going to take a long time to bus between Statesboro and Troy or Boone. It will take a long time to bus between Las Cruces and San Marcos. NMSU isnt in another league because there were more convenient choices available that aren't now.

We dont know if any FCS upgrade is better than NMSU because they havent played a full FBS schedule yet.

(03-09-2013 09:18 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:14 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The real thing we have seen out of the meetings today is that ASU and ULL are both clearly working together. Both os us are smart enough to know that UALR and ULM will follow whatever we do, which gives us a block of 4 votes. At the same time, USA, Troy, and Georgia State are all clearly working for their end as well. If the two sides cant get along, very little will happen, and we'll sit still and get raided again. The problem for Troy especially right now is that both ASU and ULL are clearly above them in the pecking order, and would survive a conference blowup. The same cannot be said for Troy at this point unfortunately.

If the two sides dont get along, The Trojans and ULM stand the most to lose.

But it could be argued that Tx St and Ga State are ahead in the CUSA pecking order, therefore UL and Ark St should do what is best for the conference long term. The same can be said with Ga State and TX state as they could be in the SB for a while. Who knows if and when CUSA will add and who is next? That being the case, make your current home the best you possibly can.

If the conference blows up as you suggest, it doesn't mean another conference is going to throw out lifeboats and rescue schools. They could add them now IF they wanted to.

The only team ahead of anyone in the pecking order is Western Kentucky, because it looks like they're already out the door. Who would think that USM would still be in CUSA and the likes of SMU, Tulane (????), and Memphis would've exited?

USM went 0-12 at the wrong time. FIU had some good seasons at the right time for them (and then nosedived). What's valued and the pecking order can and does change.

I agree that unless an invite is in hand, one should assume that your current home will be yours forevermore.

(03-09-2013 04:55 PM)Paul of Troy Wrote:  What are the actual chances Liberty gets in?

I pray none.

Get it? Pray? Liberty?

**** "school". Hope they don't join.

(03-09-2013 11:50 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 11:25 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  We fully support your right to express your opinions. As a Texan, I'm not crazy about the idea of road games in Jonesboro requiring extended drive times in Arkansas. But I think I could learn to overcome my prejudices.

So you would compromise your beliefs to be Division I? And you are in fact admitting that you have prejudices against certain people?

Duh, he's a Christian hypocrite.

It's in Liberty's blood to be filled with hypocrisy.