Guys, Florida is no longer in the Sun Belt footprint. I thought you guys were obsessed with not extending anything.

All of us except 2 posters realize that. If there was a team in Florida worth taking, we'd consider it, but there isn't. Quite frankly, I'm not terribly disappointed at the 'loss' of F_U.

(12-10-2012 08:07 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 07:29 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Well, since we're lumping every institution of higher learning in Florida into the Sun Belt, what about Edward Waters (Jacksonville), which plays in NAIA, Webber International in Babson Park (http://webberathletics.com/index.aspx?ta...football), which plays in NAIA, and Ave Maria (http://www.avemariagyrenes.com/) in southwest Florida, east of Naples (http://webberathletics.com/index.aspx?ta...football), which plays in NAIA?

Then there's Stetson in DeLand (http://www.gohatters.com/), which will play in FCS and Florida Institute of Technology/Florida Tech in Melbourne )http://www.floridatechsports.com/football/default), which will start in NCAA D-II next year, and Warner University (http://www.warnerroyals.com/index.aspx?p...b=football) in Lake Wales (central-south Florida), which will begin play in NAIA next year.

You forgot Florida A&M, Bethune Cookman and Florida Memorial.

I think you guys are just being short sided. You have to look 3 to 5 years out. Strip away your bias and look at possible advantages.

SBC choice priority

1. App State
2. Ga Southern
3. UTA starts football
4. Lamar

Then five years out

5. Kennesaw State
6. North Florida
7. Florida Gulf Coast
8. Southeastern Louisiana
9. Central Arkansas

This makes a nice compact footprint that helps on the travel coast and allows the fans to follow thier teams on the road.

We have gone about as fast as anyone ever and our feasibility study was SIX years ago. Those schools will not be ready in FIVE years.

FCS success has nothing to do with FBS success, otherwise Marshall and Umass would be world beaters. FBS is all about cash and the SBC shouldn't add any team that can't generate money.

(12-10-2012 11:18 PM)panama Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 08:07 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(12-10-2012 07:29 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Well, since we're lumping every institution of higher learning in Florida into the Sun Belt, what about Edward Waters (Jacksonville), which plays in NAIA, Webber International in Babson Park (http://webberathletics.com/index.aspx?ta...football), which plays in NAIA, and Ave Maria (http://www.avemariagyrenes.com/) in southwest Florida, east of Naples (http://webberathletics.com/index.aspx?ta...football), which plays in NAIA?

Then there's Stetson in DeLand (http://www.gohatters.com/), which will play in FCS and Florida Institute of Technology/Florida Tech in Melbourne )http://www.floridatechsports.com/football/default), which will start in NCAA D-II next year, and Warner University (http://www.warnerroyals.com/index.aspx?p...b=football) in Lake Wales (central-south Florida), which will begin play in NAIA next year.

You forgot Florida A&M, Bethune Cookman and Florida Memorial.

I think you guys are just being short sided. You have to look 3 to 5 years out. Strip away your bias and look at possible advantages.

SBC choice priority

1. App State
2. Ga Southern
3. UTA starts football
4. Lamar

Then five years out

5. Kennesaw State
6. North Florida
7. Florida Gulf Coast
8. Southeastern Louisiana
9. Central Arkansas

This makes a nice compact footprint that helps on the travel coast and allows the fans to follow thier teams on the road.

We have gone about as fast as anyone ever and our feasibility study was SIX years ago. Those schools will not be ready in FIVE years.

Please explain your analysis. Ga State was playing football 3 years later. Why do you think it will take 5 years for UNF and FGCU which woud be longer than it took Ga State, USF, FAU, FIU, USA, UTSA, etc...?

(12-11-2012 02:54 AM)glsjunior Wrote:  FCS success has nothing to do with FBS success, otherwise Marshall and Umass would be world beaters. FBS is all about cash and the SBC shouldn't add any team that can't generate money.

Umass was not a good team when they left FCS. They were 5-6 in 2009, 6-5 in 2010, and 5-6 in 2011 and hadn't made the playoffs since 2007.

Marshall had tremendous success immediately out the gate in FBS, but then they were hit with big probation sanctions. Needless to say, Marshall will always be handicapped by being in a small state with no homegrown football talent.

Someone forgot to tell Arkansas State and Troy that winning is all about cash. Otherwise, they could have given FAU and FIU the Sun Belt titles the past 7 years.

We will soon find out how the undisputed top FCS program transitions to FBS. I feel confident we will do just fine.

I said it once, but maybe I need to say it again.

Continue to add from lower divisions and your costing yourself more money and further widening the gap between the haves and have nots (i.e. us). An institution can no longer move up unless they have a conference to go, so conferences are in direct control of this decision on whether to bring up a lower division school or not.

Does it make sense to bring more and more schools up and dilute your revenues or find ways to work together by consolidating? Yes, consolidation (not "realignment") is what the big five want, but if we fight that all we're doing is damaging our own properties in the process.

(12-11-2012 02:54 AM)glsjunior Wrote:  FCS success has nothing to do with FBS success, otherwise Marshall and Umass would be world beaters. FBS is all about cash and the SBC shouldn't add any team that can't generate money.

I tried to use that argument last year. App generates 45% of its budget while GA St. generates 12%.

(12-11-2012 09:03 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 02:54 AM)glsjunior Wrote:  FCS success has nothing to do with FBS success, otherwise Marshall and Umass would be world beaters. FBS is all about cash and the SBC shouldn't add any team that can't generate money.

I tried to use that argument last year. App generates 45% of its budget while GA St. generates 12%.

He means bring revenue to the conference. That means media cash

murray and eku in the SBC? Screw that ####!

If true, this could have an effect on general realignment:

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
Temple has a full vote in Big East matters, the league confirmed to @SNYtv, so the Catholic schools don't have power to dissolve Big East.

(12-12-2012 10:58 AM)asumike83 Wrote:  If true, this could have an effect on general realignment:

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
Temple has a full vote in Big East matters, the league confirmed to @SNYtv, so the Catholic schools don't have power to dissolve Big East.

Zagoria tweeted that Temple does not have the power to stop them. Basketball schools hold all the cards. They now just have to decide whether they value their brand over football and the extra money that may help them attract.

If they care about their brand more than money, they'll dissolve in some fashion and invite the cream of the crop from the A10 and form a top 5 basketball conference.

If I had to guess, they'll keep things as they are, but ***** about it for eternity.

(12-12-2012 03:49 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:58 AM)asumike83 Wrote:  If true, this could have an effect on general realignment:

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
Temple has a full vote in Big East matters, the league confirmed to @SNYtv, so the Catholic schools don't have power to dissolve Big East.

Zagoria tweeted that Temple does not have the power to stop them. Basketball schools hold all the cards. They now just have to decide whether they value their brand over football and the extra money that may help them attract.

If they care about their brand more than money, they'll dissolve in some fashion and invite the cream of the crop from the A10 and form a top 5 basketball conference.

If I had to guess, they'll keep things as they are, but ***** about it for eternity.

It's the other way around. The A10 is considering inviting the BE teams to join and form a 21-team basketball super conference.

(12-12-2012 03:53 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 03:49 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:58 AM)asumike83 Wrote:  If true, this could have an effect on general realignment:

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
Temple has a full vote in Big East matters, the league confirmed to @SNYtv, so the Catholic schools don't have power to dissolve Big East.

Zagoria tweeted that Temple does not have the power to stop them. Basketball schools hold all the cards. They now just have to decide whether they value their brand over football and the extra money that may help them attract.

If they care about their brand more than money, they'll dissolve in some fashion and invite the cream of the crop from the A10 and form a top 5 basketball conference.

If I had to guess, they'll keep things as they are, but ***** about it for eternity.

It's the other way around. The A10 is considering inviting the BE teams to join and form a 21-team basketball super conference.

And the Marquette AD scoffed at the idea, I'm sure other BE AD's have done the same. Why would they want to join with the bottom feeders of the A10 when they could simply say F YOU to the football schools and take the top programs from the A10?

Realistically there are only a handful of schools in the A10 worth taking.

Why expand now that the distribution amount from the playoff is known? SB is getting 17.25 million like the other group of 5 conferences. Only except split between 8 teams yields 2,156,250/school and anymore teams added splits the pie. The difference will be the bball side and NCAA credits. You can add 1 more FB only team (NMSU) so you can have 4 home and 4 away conference schedule and you have a nice 10 team league for basketball.

No reason at all

(12-12-2012 04:00 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 03:53 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 03:49 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 10:58 AM)asumike83 Wrote:  If true, this could have an effect on general realignment:

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
Temple has a full vote in Big East matters, the league confirmed to @SNYtv, so the Catholic schools don't have power to dissolve Big East.

Zagoria tweeted that Temple does not have the power to stop them. Basketball schools hold all the cards. They now just have to decide whether they value their brand over football and the extra money that may help them attract.

If they care about their brand more than money, they'll dissolve in some fashion and invite the cream of the crop from the A10 and form a top 5 basketball conference.

If I had to guess, they'll keep things as they are, but ***** about it for eternity.

It's the other way around. The A10 is considering inviting the BE teams to join and form a 21-team basketball super conference.

And the Marquette AD scoffed at the idea, I'm sure other BE AD's have done the same. Why would they want to join with the bottom feeders of the A10 when they could simply say F YOU to the football schools and take the top programs from the A10?

Realistically there are only a handful of schools in the A10 worth taking.

The conference got a LOT better when UNCC left. You never wanted to be in the conference, you never provided anything but bad attitudes, whining and losses while you were there. Now...just go. Again, when I think of A-10 bottom feeders... I think of UNCC and Fordham.

The Catholic BE schools have exactly three programs that would be in the top half of the A-10. Georgetown, Villanova, and Marquette. The other four (St Johns, Seton Hall, Providence, and DePaul) don't do much for the A-10.

(12-12-2012 04:23 PM)panama Wrote:  No reason at all

...unless you can improve your position in your TV contract or bowl tie-ins.

So just curious when are these sunbelt invites going out wasn't it suppose to be this week?

(12-12-2012 04:42 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 04:23 PM)panama Wrote:  No reason at all

...unless you can improve your position in your TV contract or bowl tie-ins.

And we're locked into this TV contract until 2020