I hate this chit. Every time the conference is starting to get its ducks in a row after the last raid a new raid happens!!!! When will it end?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
(11-18-2012 12:16 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: You'll never get the current Big East schools (USF, UCF, Houston, and SMU) to relegate themselves to a second hand basketball future. Furthermore, Boise State and San Diego State are essential to our football future.
Navy bails out because the TV deal they get with the Big East is shrinking to the point where joining is pointless considering what they can get by scheduling outside the Big East.
Boise St and SDSU bail because they can make their own easier route to the BCS playoffs with the MWC and stay somewhat regional. The money difference between the MWC and Big East is evaporating.
The New Big East schools won't separate willingly, it's a hostage situation.
Now that the Basketball powers see their quality diminishing and the football money shrinking, they can use their vote to force the split and get a better deal for themselves. All they have to say is "We won't vote to add any more all-sports teams to the conference, you have to leave if you want to expand football."
(This post was last modified: 11-18-2012 01:18 PM by GreenMississippi.)
(11-18-2012 12:16 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: You'll never get the current Big East schools (USF, UCF, Houston, and SMU) to relegate themselves to a second hand basketball future. Furthermore, Boise State and San Diego State are essential to our football future.
Navy bails out because the TV deal they get with the Big East is shrinking to the point where joining is pointless considering what they can get by scheduling outside the Big East.
Boise St and SDSU bail because they can make their own easier route to the BCS playoffs with the MWC and stay somewhat regional. The money difference between the MWC and Big East is evaporating.
The New Big East schools won't separate willingly, it's a hostage situation.
Now that the Basketball powers see their quality diminishing and the football money shrinking, they can use their vote to force the split and get a better deal for themselves. All they have to say is "We won't vote to add any more all-sports teams to the conference, you have to leave if you want to expand football."
stever20, maybe you can enlighten me as to when a conference was denied a waiver for a similar situation? I'm new here and could be taught a few lessons on FBS conference rules and regulations, from a Georgetown fan.
(11-18-2012 12:16 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: You'll never get the current Big East schools (USF, UCF, Houston, and SMU) to relegate themselves to a second hand basketball future. Furthermore, Boise State and San Diego State are essential to our football future.
Navy bails out because the TV deal they get with the Big East is shrinking to the point where joining is pointless considering what they can get by scheduling outside the Big East.
Boise St and SDSU bail because they can make their own easier route to the BCS playoffs with the MWC and stay somewhat regional. The money difference between the MWC and Big East is evaporating.
The New Big East schools won't separate willingly, it's a hostage situation.
Now that the Basketball powers see their quality diminishing and the football money shrinking, they can use their vote to force the split and get a better deal for themselves. All they have to say is "We won't vote to add any more all-sports teams to the conference, you have to leave if you want to expand football."
Oh my God the Mayan Calendar was correct! Or is it? Boise State and San Diego are not going anywhere. Nor is Houston and SMU. Worst case is we lose maybe UCONN and Rutgers (only if Maryland goes to B10 and can raise $50 million) and that is not all assured. Navy comes anyway because like Boise State and San Diego State we are all committed. The Big East adds a good BB-only program to the lineup along with ECU. Then we go west for Fresno State:
BIG EAST CONFERENCE (2015)
EAST:
Cincy
Louisville
Memphis
Temple
ECU
UCF
USF
WEST:
Boise State
San Diego
Navy
Fresno State
Houston
SMU
Air Force/ BYU, ETC
(11-18-2012 12:16 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote: You'll never get the current Big East schools (USF, UCF, Houston, and SMU) to relegate themselves to a second hand basketball future. Furthermore, Boise State and San Diego State are essential to our football future.
Navy bails out because the TV deal they get with the Big East is shrinking to the point where joining is pointless considering what they can get by scheduling outside the Big East.
Boise St and SDSU bail because they can make their own easier route to the BCS playoffs with the MWC and stay somewhat regional. The money difference between the MWC and Big East is evaporating.
The New Big East schools won't separate willingly, it's a hostage situation.
Now that the Basketball powers see their quality diminishing and the football money shrinking, they can use their vote to force the split and get a better deal for themselves. All they have to say is "We won't vote to add any more all-sports teams to the conference, you have to leave if you want to expand football."
So, earlier last week, it was reported that the BE was hoping for $15-17M per school, and now, with maybe RU and UConn leaving (and some decent schools likely replacing them), the money is going to evaporate to MWC levels of $800K per school?
I'm sorry, but that is...that is...well...words escape me, due to personal discretion...
(11-18-2012 02:35 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote: Gotta hope Jurich is on the line with the Big 12 right now telling them we'll pay FSU's buyout. It's every man for himself at this point fellas.
Only after we've tried everything we can to get an ACC invite first.
Some of you are only looking at this from a football perspective, but if Rutgers goes to the Big Ten, and UConn to the ACC, the Big East would have 15 members. Only one more would be needed to get back to 16 in all sports and the two losses would be state flagships from the Northeast. UConn is also a big hit in basketball and some of that would have to be made up somehow. I can see UMass creeping into the picture despite their lackluster football.
As far as football goes, the Big East no longer has the luxury of waiting for BYU, as moves have to be finalized now. Three or five football-onlies will be needed. Navy, Boise State, and SDSU are on board now. If it's true that Air Force is ready to go, grab them and Fresno State, and call it a day. Those would be true Eastern and Western (or Atlantic and Pacific) divisions. Right now things are unbalanced to the East and a shift West would be welcome.
EAST or ATLANTIC UMass Temple \ Navy Cincinnati \ Louisville USF \ UCF
WEST or PACIFIC Memphis SMU \ Houston Air Force \ Boise State Fresno State \ San Diego State
The other thing people are overlooking is that every move won't happen at once. Rutgers will leave first, but the ACC may take a week or more to vote in UConn. That means the Big East will have 16 in basketball and not be inclined to add any all-sports members. In the meantime, BYU can be given one last chance to say no, before Air Force and Fresno State say yes. After that, once the ACC takes UConn, it is very easy to slide UMass into their spot.
(11-18-2012 10:04 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: And takes Rutgers and Maryland as the rumors say and then ACC takes UConn
The new Big East would look like this
Football 12 teams
EAST
Navy,Temple,USF,UCF,Louisville,Cincinnati
WEST
Memphis,SMU,Houston,Boise,SDSU and one from BYU,AF or Fresno
Basketball would be 15 schools
Temple,USF,UCF,UL,UC,Memphis,UH,SMU,SH,Providence,SJ,Georgetown,Nova,Marquette,DePaul
If the ACC instead goes for the Navy/ Georgetown combo as has been suggested, then football replaces Navy with UConn and basketball remains at 15 with UConn replacing Georgetown.
This assumes that
#1. Big12 doesn't make a move right now
#2. Football stays at 12 instead of 14
Big East needs to expand to 14, adding two western schools like Air Force, Colorado State, Utah State, Nevada and UNLV, just in case after getting raided again we can still have at least 12 schools to have that championship game.
(11-18-2012 03:15 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote: Some of you are only looking at this from a football perspective, but if Rutgers goes to the Big Ten, and UConn to the ACC, the Big East would have 15 members. Only one more would be needed to get back to 16 in all sports and the two losses would be state flagships from the Northeast. UConn is also a big hit in basketball and some of that would have to be made up somehow. I can see UMass creeping into the picture despite their lackluster football.
As far as football goes, the Big East no longer has the luxury of waiting for BYU, as moves have to be finalized now. Three or five football-onlies will be needed. Navy, Boise State, and SDSU are on board now. If it's true that Air Force is ready to go, grab them and Fresno State, and call it a day. Those would be true Eastern and Western (or Atlantic and Pacific) divisions. Right now things are unbalanced to the East and a shift West would be welcome.
EAST or ATLANTIC UMass Temple \ Navy Cincinnati \ Louisville USF \ UCF
WEST or PACIFIC Memphis SMU \ Houston Air Force \ Boise State Fresno State \ San Diego State
The other thing people are overlooking is that every move won't happen at once. Rutgers will leave first, but the ACC may take a week or more to vote in UConn. That means the Big East will have 16 in basketball and not be inclined to add any all-sports members. In the meantime, BYU can be given one last chance to say no, before Air Force and Fresno State say yes. After that, once the ACC takes UConn, it is very easy to slide UMass into their spot.
Agree. And, UMASS football would get a lot better, a lot quicker, with more money.
The UMASS name (the fact that they are a land grant university), location, academics, basketball tradition, etc, will be a lot more paletable to the BE Basketball presidents than bringing in Eastern Carolina.
Our football schools have the luxury of bringing in football-onlys out west, which further solidify our West Division.
(This post was last modified: 11-18-2012 03:27 PM by BigEastHomer.)
(11-18-2012 02:35 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote: Gotta hope Jurich is on the line with the Big 12 right now telling them we'll pay FSU's buyout. It's every man for himself at this point fellas.
Gotta love the posters with 4 posts coming out of the woodwork like rats off a sinking ship!
(11-18-2012 02:35 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote: Gotta hope Jurich is on the line with the Big 12 right now telling them we'll pay FSU's buyout. It's every man for himself at this point fellas.
Gotta love the posters with 4 posts coming out of the woodwork like rats off a sinking ship!
Someone needs tell him he can put his suitcases back into the closet. That B12 invite is not happening.
(This post was last modified: 11-18-2012 04:18 PM by Road Apple.)
(11-18-2012 02:35 PM)CardsfaninLexington Wrote: Gotta hope Jurich is on the line with the Big 12 right now telling them we'll pay FSU's buyout. It's every man for himself at this point fellas.
Gotta love the posters with 4 posts coming out of the woodwork like rats off a sinking ship!
Like Louisville brass is reading all these silly posts from all of us silly posters and goes, eureka! I should call the big 12, see how they are doing...should I send a fruit basket? Why won't any big east bbs members tell me!?!
(11-18-2012 11:44 AM)TripleA Wrote: Btw, I disagree with those who say that the B10 going from 12 to 14 means that the B12 will have to expand. Why? I have yet to see one sound reason. I'm NOT saying the B12 won't expand, just saying doing it b/c the B10 does it makes no sense, from a business standpoint.
The B10 is expanding (if they do) b/c the BTN can make more money, and become more widespread, by going into 2 large east coast markets.
OTOH, the B12 has no such situation. They have their TV contract set, they have already absorbed the CCG money from the last time they had a contract with 12 teams, and they have no B12 network that needs new territory.
Because UL basketball is that good and instant rivalries are branded with that. Mitigates WVU location. And UC gets them into the Ohio region to compete with the B1G monopoly in that state. Plus the defacto CCG.
I'll give it a few years. Rutgers/Maryland may not be in the B1G until 2015 so we have time. But UC/UL look to be in the drivers seat for that bid.
BYU is not the answer for the Big 12. Neither is AFA. Even as football only. Unless those teams can get into the rankings again. I would look at Boise before those programs.
(This post was last modified: 11-18-2012 06:42 PM by RUScarlets.)
For those of you from other parts of the country who aren't familiar with New England, UMass is a poor man's version of UConn. The schools are very similar, but UConn is bigger, faster, stronger, and smarter.
(This post was last modified: 11-18-2012 07:06 PM by UConn-SMU.)
(11-18-2012 10:04 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: And takes Rutgers and Maryland as the rumors say and then ACC takes UConn
The new Big East would look like this
Football 12 teams
EAST
Navy,Temple,USF,UCF,Louisville,Cincinnati
WEST
Memphis,SMU,Houston,Boise,SDSU and one from BYU,AF or Fresno
Basketball would be 15 schools
Temple,USF,UCF,UL,UC,Memphis,UH,SMU,SH,Providence,SJ,Georgetown,Nova,Marquette,DePaul
If the ACC instead goes for the Navy/ Georgetown combo as has been suggested, then football replaces Navy with UConn and basketball remains at 15 with UConn replacing Georgetown.
This assumes that
#1. Big12 doesn't make a move right now
#2. Football stays at 12 instead of 14
Big East needs to expand to 14, adding two western schools like Air Force, Colorado State, Utah State, Nevada and UNLV, just in case after getting raided again we can still have at least 12 schools to have that championship game.
(11-18-2012 10:04 AM)Cubanbull Wrote: And takes Rutgers and Maryland as the rumors say and then ACC takes UConn
The new Big East would look like this
Football 12 teams
EAST
Navy,Temple,USF,UCF,Louisville,Cincinnati
WEST
Memphis,SMU,Houston,Boise,SDSU and one from BYU,AF or Fresno
Basketball would be 15 schools
Temple,USF,UCF,UL,UC,Memphis,UH,SMU,SH,Providence,SJ,Georgetown,Nova,Marquette,DePaul
If the ACC instead goes for the Navy/ Georgetown combo as has been suggested, then football replaces Navy with UConn and basketball remains at 15 with UConn replacing Georgetown.
This assumes that
#1. Big12 doesn't make a move right now
#2. Football stays at 12 instead of 14
Big East needs to expand to 14, adding two western schools like Air Force, Colorado State, Utah State, Nevada and UNLV, just in case after getting raided again we can still have at least 12 schools to have that championship game.
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