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(05-22-2012 08:58 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  I didn't believe any of you when you said the videos were privatized, so I searched them on YouTube. They aren't private as of about five minutes ago.

They aren't now, but they absolutely were private last night.
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He's right, they were private as of last night, I guess he decided to un-private them this morning, which isn't hard to do.
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(05-22-2012 08:44 AM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 09:06 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 08:52 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Why would he make it private unless the school asked him to take it down?

I hope that is not the case. While I think he is stupid for making a big deal of it, he taped it in public view, added it to a public website, and it seems that he would have the right to add his comments about what happened.

Based on what I know about Mullins and crew, they definitely are behind the videos going private.

(05-22-2012 09:42 AM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 08:59 AM)WingedWarrior Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 08:44 AM)LetsgoBucs Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 09:06 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  
(05-21-2012 08:52 PM)ETSUfan1 Wrote:  Why would he make it private unless the school asked him to take it down?

I hope that is not the case. While I think he is stupid for making a big deal of it, he taped it in public view, added it to a public website, and it seems that he would have the right to add his comments about what happened.

Based on what I know about Mullins and crew, they definitely are behind the videos going private.

Based on what you "know?" "Definitely?" Really?????

Mullins has a history of working to keep things quiet when it deals with anything unpleasant in athletics. I guarantee you he doesn't want the attention from this, whether or not anything wrong actually happened.

Even if so, that's FAR from being able to conclude they "definitely" had something to do with the videos being made private.
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I know this is two days late, but here is the article. I bet Mullins would like to make his interview go private.

As the losses mounted for the East
Tennessee State baseball team this season,
so did tension among coaches, players and
many players’ parents.
ETSU baseball coach Tony Skole conducted
a 6 a.m. training session on Monday.
At least two people who said they were
concerned for the players’ safety videoed
from the parking lot beyond left field
while players did running, sit-ups, pushups,
bear crawls, mountain climbers, pencil
rolls, hopping and somersaults or forward
rolls at Thomas Stadium.
The session lasted
approximately 30 minutes.
A couple of ETSU players
— they were identified as
Kuehl McEachern and
Matthew Scruggs —
severely struggled to keep
up at times. McEachern
was clearly dazed during
one stretch when he fell
far behind.
One of the videos, which was seen via a
private viewing on YouTube, could end up
being made public as early as 12 a.m.
Sunday. The slug when it was viewed privately,
which has since been taken down,
was entitled something like “How to torture
a college baseball player.” Another
video, which was more clear and close-up,
was also viewed for this story. The person
who has that video will apparently attempt
to meet with ETSU president Brian Noland,
which several other parents have indicated
intending to do.
According to ETSU athletic director
Dave Mullins, Skole held the session as
punishment for three players missing
curfew on Saturday night. Multiple players,
via parents, said they knew nothing of the
session being about a curfew violation
until three days later when an angry Skole
mentioned it at a team meeting on Thursday
a few hours before the Bucs began a threegame
series at Kennesaw State.
Parents say players told them throughout
the week that they were told the 6 a.m.
training was for playing poorly while getting
swept by Stetson, and to see how many
really wanted to remain in the program.
Mullins said he’d seen one of the videos,
as has ETSU attorney Ed Kelly.
“We’ve got an ongoing investigation
looking into all the various aspects of it,”
Mullins said during a 50-minute interview
Friday evening. “So I haven’t jumped to
any conclusions at this point, to tell you the
truth. I’ve seen the video. I’ve talked to the
coaches and trainers — athletic trainers

involved. Our legal counsel has
talked to the coaches — to Coach
Skole and the head trainer (Brian
Johnston), who was there.
“Of course, the team is on the
road (at Kennesaw State), so we
haven’t had an opportunity to talk
with individual members of the
team, except two of the players that
we wanted to talk to following our
viewing of the video.”
Mullins confirmed the two
players ETSU officials contacted
about the stringent session were
McEachern and Scruggs.
“Was it difficult? Yes,” Mullins
said. “And yet, all the players completed
it. There were a couple of
guys that were struggling toward the
end, but when they completed their
run, or their — the last exercise —
and they ran with the rest of the
group. When they finished, they all
did their group thing and, you know,
high-fived or whatever you call that,
and they all walked off together.
There’s nobody in distress. The
trainers weren’t attending to people.
“Players talking about it later —
some kind of kidding coach in a
way that, you know, ‘We hadn’t done
that in three years. I was hoping I
would get out of here before I had
to roll again,’ but you know, kind of
making a little bit light of it. And
you know, one saying the next day
when coach asked him, the kid you
mentioned earlier — what was his
name, McEachern? — asked him
about it, and he said, ‘You know, I
was a little sore, you know, from all
that, but I’m fine.’
“So I think we’ve monitored it
closely. I think we’ve viewed what
has been sent to us. If there’s more
information that needs to be sent or
other video tapes we’ll be glad to
take a look at them. Ed Kelly, our
legal counsel, has viewed the tapes
and has talked with the coaches and
two of these young men. And so
we’re continuing our look into what
happened.”
A concerned caller first
approached the Kingsport Times-
News last Sunday. Six concerned
parents contacted the Johnson City
Press throughout the week.
They all had similar stories about
their sons saying the session was
done because of Skole’s anger over
losing, and that the season has been
a grueling, profane gauntlet through
an atmosphere of intimidation and
humiliation.
Various parents compared their
sons’ sort of silent shame to that of
a battered woman.
This is the 13th season at ETSU
for Skole. The Buccaneers finished
the season 8-19 in the Atlantic Sun
Conference and 23-32 overall.
Skole has finished above .500 in
the conference twice in 13 years —
in 2011 and 2010. A return to a
losing season, one in which ETSU
was playing in its new stadium, has
taken its toll, many say.
The arrival of touted, intense
pitching coach Kyle Bunn has
amplified anxiety but bolstered the
pitching staff. Bunn’s staff compiled
a better ERA (4.40) than opponents
(4.42) despite those opponents
pitching against a Buccaneers
lineup that Skole has described as
“anemic.” And Bunn lost Derek
Bushey to a recurring elbow injury
after nine appearances.
Bunn was previously at Alabama
for one season (2010), and spent
two years at Clemson before that.
Several ETSU players have made
unsolicited remarks about Bunn’s
impressive knowledge of the game,
particularly pitching.
Like Skole, Bunn’s a graduate of
The Citadel, and they each had
accomplished careers at the military
school.
ETSU assistants Reid Casey and
Clay Greene each left after last
season. Has the arrival of Bunn
during a losing season in a new ballpark
been part of a perfect storm
for strife?
“They know the game of baseball,
but those guys that go through that
military school stuff, they can’t get it
out of their blood,” said a college
coach who knows many former
ETSU players. “I think a lot of them
feel like it’s probably made them
stronger getting through something
like that (playing for Skole), but
they’re also smart enough to realize
that some of that stuff they had to go
through probably shouldn’t have
been associated with playing college
baseball. … There’s a lot of times that
he doesn’t know how to treat people
the right way when they deserve to
be treated the right way. All he
knows is come down on people, come
down on people, come down on those
kids. … And when they’re losing it’s a
constant beat-down.”
Mullins said Skole has only been
on a somewhat level playing field,
in terms of scholarships, the past
three years, and the previous two
years produced winning seasons.
“Admittedly, this has been an
overall tough season,” Mullins said.
“And so you know, I think we have to
view this in the context of the entire
season and then know that the discipline
for this particular instance,
which is the only time this year that
that has happened, where they have
used, you know, the physical training
like this as a disciplinary measure
for missing curfew. Three guys
missed curfew on Saturday night
before the game on Sunday, and so
even though we’re not having a, you
know, have not had a good year, uh,
you know, coach believes that you’ve
got to enforce your team rules all the
time.
“And he didn’t do anything that is
outside the normal in some of these
physical training periods of, you
know, 25-30 minutes. There are
other teams here and everywhere
that use some of the similar training
tactics for discipline, because, you
know, a message is sent to the
players. We had a head trainer on
site, had water, Gatorade.”
Action still could be taken,
according to Mullins.
“I think after we come to some
conclusions about it, then we’ll deal
with it,” Mullins said. “But in the
heat of the emotion and, you know,
everybody threatening to do this
and threatening to do that, you
know, and ‘If you don’t do this,
we’re gonna send this world-wide
virule.’ You know, it’s hard to
operate in an environment where
people are trying to tell you how to
do your business. So we want to be
reasonable, we want to be thorough
and we want to not jump to a lot of
conclusions. …
“You don’t want to just compare a
lot of different things, but people
ought to go watch our ROTC kids
training, you know, early morning,
when they do it three times a week,
and throwing up and can barely
crawl across the finish line and throw
up and then get up and laugh about it,
because the ultimate goal is to push
them to the extreme limits and make
them better and stronger and tougher.
If we felt like these kids were in distress
and couldn’t make it through
the drills, uh, we’ve got professionals
right there.
“Our head trainer is one of the
best in the business and sees these
kids on a daily basis, and knows
which ones are playing the system
and which ones are working and
are maximizing their potential.”
Skole’s players graduate at a
nearly flawless rate. Mullins says
he’s met many who are thankful to
have played for Skole, and he says
Skole’s transfer rate is probably
middle of the pack, at worst.
“I go to a lot of games, you know,
and I meet parents, and some of
Tony’s players have worked in the
department where I’ve got to spend
time with them,” Mullins said. “And
so I’ve seen the players that come
through the program and mature
and at the end of their period of
time, they’re strong, they’re confident,
they’re tough kids, they’re
disciplined, they’re polite, they’re
successful and they look back and
say nothing but good things.
“They come back to reunions.
When they come back to reunions,
they joke a little bit about the physical
training: ‘Remember the night
coach had us do this and we thought
he was crazy?’ and yet that’s part of
their experience.
“I drove down to the game in
Georgia Tuesday night and had a
chance to visit with some of the
families that came up, and one
family met Dr. Noland and told him
what a great experience their son
had had here. I talked to another
family sitting right next to them
and they told them that their son’s
transferring — coming here — was
the greatest thing that’d ever happened.
He wished he could get
another year of eligibility.”
Skole addressed issues in an
email to the Johnson City Press at 8
p.m. Saturday, and indicated this
entire matter being based on a particular
player’s parents and grandparents
being disgruntled about a
lack of playing time.
“Last weekend we had a curfew
violation so we conditioned Monday
morning for about 30 minutes,”
Skole said. “I was disappointed that
we got knocked out of postseason
contention and I was disappointed
about the curfew violations. (I think
most coaches would be disappointed
with those things as well.) We did it
early for it wouldn’t be too hot and
also that was all the work we were
going to do that day, so the guys
could have the rest of the day to
themselves.
“Was it difficult? Yes. It was supposed
to be. But it wasn’t anything
my guys couldn’t handle. The guys
were actually laughing about it
after it was over and later that
morning. They were laughing about
it today in the dugout.
“Just like at any game or practice
we had our trainer there with all his
necessary equipment and supplies.
We also had two players who I knew
would struggle with the conditioning
and I had them sit out. They had no
intention of sitting out, but I thought
it best they not participate.
“When our players make a decision
off the field that could be detrimental
to themselves, their future,
our program and our university
there must be accountability. I can’t
paddle them, I can’t fine them
money and I can’t suspend the
entire team. So in order to get their
attention we usually condition.
Once the conditioning is over everything
is forgotten and we move on.
I didn’t think that kicking them out
of their locker room or doing something
in that fashion was what was
needed.
“Due to the recent events on our
campus (shooting and robbery) and
the fact that we are still in season,
we want to make sure our players
are safe and not in the wrong place
at the wrong time. We all know the
facts about there not being many
good things happen that happen
after midnight.”
Many parents are wondering,
even if the session truly was done
for a curfew violation, which they
insist players said they weren’t told
beforehand, why curfew violators
weren’t the only ones punished.
Skole is 330-390 (.458) at ETSU,
including a 161-218 (.424) combined
record in the Southern Conference
and Atlantic Sun Conference.
“Ultimately I guess I get judged
on wins and losses, but I am most
proud of the relationships I have
with my players, current and
former,” Skole said. “I would challenge
any coach in the country who
has better relationships with their
guys. I just had a very emotional
afternoon with our five seniors this
year that I will never forget. I
wouldn’t trade those moments
today with those kids for any kind
of championship.
“We recently had an alumni
weekend where over 75 guys came
back and you should see the love
they have for our program, each
other and how successful and well
these guys are doing. I am very
proud of that.
“Of course we have had kids who
have left our program and been
disgruntled. Every program, in
every sport has them. Especially at
the Division I level. Just down the
road in Knoxville, (Rod) Delmonico,
(Todd) Raleigh and (Dave) Serrano
have had far more leave than we
have. And I bet if you contact those
players, they are not going to say,
“You know what I was in over my
head at UT.” They are probably
going to blame it on the coach. The
APR for our program is very solid.
“Our departures have mostly
been local kids who are unhappy
about playing time and can see the
writing on the wall. None of these
kids have been impact players and
with most of them, we were the
only Division I school to give them
an opportunity. I don’t believe those
who have left our program have
gone somewhere else and put up
outstanding numbers at their new
school. It always comes down to the
parents thinking their son should
be playing instead of someone else.
With almost 40 years of coaching
experience on our coaching staff, I
think we have a good idea of who
should be in there and who
shouldn’t.”
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Thanks for posting that! I see what you are saying about posting ever "uh"- Im not sure I have seen that before in a written interview. Despite that, Mullins seems very reasonable in this. The only part I disagreed with from an ETSU staff perspective is Skole putting down those that have transferred. He could have taken the high road and simply said it was due to lack of playing time. There is no reason to go on and say that they have not contributed at the colleges that they transfer to.

Actually, this is the best interview ive read in a while in some ways. Most interviews only get politically correct words that really do not say anything. from reading this you really do get an insight into the motivations behind the video, and the mindsets of the players, coach, and AD- the ONLY people that matters. The parents and grandparents need to shut up- these student athletes are ADULTS that can transfer if they wish.
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Thanks for posting the article on this blog. After reading it for the second time a little more slowly and being reminded of many comments I have read on this blog as well as the video comments, I have a burning question.
I am very suspicious of a wrong doing if it is true that the conditioning practice was for curfew violations. Reports have been that the players were not made aware that this was punishment for such a violation. And the reports from the players indicate it was for poor performance. The red flag flies for me in the timing of "explaining" what the conditioning session was for. Had there not been any controversy, would the players ever have known that they were being punished? Sounds like a worried cover-up if you ask me.

Regardless of this incident, I still say Skole needs to go because of his sorry record so ETSU Baseball can have a chance to be a top-notch program in (hopefully) a new stadium. Mullins sounded like a bumbling fool who actually said too much. So he needs to hit the road as well.
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After reading that I kinda like Skole. He tells it like he sees it with no sugar coating.
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He came across as an arrogant ******* about local players and oh by the way, you think if UT reads the article that they may say screw you *******, we'll take away your largest gate of the year and schedule a game elsewhere.
In an area that's produced a decent amount of minor league talent and a few that made it to the show, that was a dumb ass comment to make. Those are kids that can play, and he doesn't have to give as much money to.
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I think a coach should be able to have his team do conditioning drills at 6 a.m. if they missed curfew.

I could see only having the players who missed curfew go through this and not the entire team, but I think there was an additional message sent that losing wouldn't be tolerated, hence the whole team was disciplined.

One more thought-

"Various parents compared their
sons’ sort of silent shame to that of
a battered woman."

Remember those complaints that Skole kept calling his team pu$$ies? Now it can be confirmed some of them are.
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(05-22-2012 02:47 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  In an area that's produced a decent amount of minor league talent and a few that made it to the show, that was a dumb ass comment to make. Those are kids that can play, and he doesn't have to give as much money to.

In the entire history of Major League Baseball, show me the catcher who came from the Tri-Cities area.

Do not include Ed Bailey. He was from Knoxville.

Second. In the entire history of Major League Baseball, not the Negro Leagues but Major League Baseball, show me the Tennessee-born player who is in the Hall of Fame.

Then tell me how great the area is in producing talent.
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(05-22-2012 03:00 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 02:47 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  In an area that's produced a decent amount of minor league talent and a few that made it to the show, that was a dumb ass comment to make. Those are kids that can play, and he doesn't have to give as much money to.

In the entire history of Major League Baseball, show me the catcher who came from the Tri-Cities area.

Do not include Ed Bailey. He was from Knoxville.

Second. In the entire history of Major League Baseball, not the Negro Leagues but Major League Baseball, show me the Tennessee-born player who is in the Hall of Fame.

Then tell me how great the area is in producing talent.

Pretty sure he said "minor league" not major league and sure as hell didn't mention Hall of Fame. So your statements have nothing to do with what he said. Besides why limit it to catchers only? If a kid can play in the minors he is good enough to play college baseball at ETSU.
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I consider local from a recruiting standpoint to be within a two hour driving radius. In which case while this area hasn't produced a Jeter or anything, it's produced guys like Kevin Barker, who bounced around the minors and the show for 14-15 years. Jimmy Gobble, who did the same thing. We used to get updates from Tim Hayes every week about Jimmy in the Bristol paper. Or how about Billy Wagner? One of the better closers in the last 20 years, Tazwell Bulldog. It's not a hotbed of Major League talent, but there are certainly players in this region worthy of Division I scholarships. One of my best friends who pitched at East in the 90's was throwing high 80's and pitched four years of college. The years of state championship teams from Virginia High and John Battle had some damn fine ball players. Tony recruits the hell out of Knoxville, but I guess Todd Helton doesn't count as a quality, local player.
I'm not getting into a historical debate here about baseball, primarily because unless I'm physically at a game, I could care less about watching or playing baseball.
Back on topic however, keep defending the code of silence and secrets. You're enabling the status quo you want changed.
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(05-22-2012 03:06 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 03:00 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 02:47 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  In an area that's produced a decent amount of minor league talent and a few that made it to the show, that was a dumb ass comment to make. Those are kids that can play, and he doesn't have to give as much money to.

In the entire history of Major League Baseball, show me the catcher who came from the Tri-Cities area.

Do not include Ed Bailey. He was from Knoxville.

Second. In the entire history of Major League Baseball, not the Negro Leagues but Major League Baseball, show me the Tennessee-born player who is in the Hall of Fame.

Then tell me how great the area is in producing talent.

Pretty sure he said "minor league" not major league and sure as hell didn't mention Hall of Fame. So your statements have nothing to do with what he said. Besides why limit it to catchers only? If a kid can play in the minors he is good enough to play college baseball at ETSU.

I was referring to the "few that made the show" part of the sentence you chose to ignore, Rod.

The area produced Billy Wagner. Okay. I won't even go into asking if Tazwell is part of the Tri-Cities, I'll just give you it is.

It also produced Tilly Walker. And Dale Alexander. Ed Whitson.

Didn't produce Todd Helton; that's a Knoxville guy, but regardless.

But don't you see that when these are the best players from the Tri-Cities over the years, that's not the greatest amount of talent. And when the entire state of Tennessee, which is, what, the 17th most populated state in the country?, has never produced a Hall of Famer outside of Negro Leaguer Turkey Stearnes, what does that tell you?

Maryland can claim Babe Ruth. Pennsylvania can claim Honus Wagner. Alabama Willie Mays. Georgia Ty Cobb. California- gosh- let's just go with Barry Bonds.

Tennessee has Turkey Stearnes.

I'm not suggesting we should "defend the code of silences and secrets." Everybody knows that and I don't think I have.

I'm just suggesting we not overrate the baseball talent of the area, okay?
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(05-22-2012 03:39 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 03:06 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 03:00 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  
(05-22-2012 02:47 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  In an area that's produced a decent amount of minor league talent and a few that made it to the show, that was a dumb ass comment to make. Those are kids that can play, and he doesn't have to give as much money to.

In the entire history of Major League Baseball, show me the catcher who came from the Tri-Cities area.

Do not include Ed Bailey. He was from Knoxville.

Second. In the entire history of Major League Baseball, not the Negro Leagues but Major League Baseball, show me the Tennessee-born player who is in the Hall of Fame.

Then tell me how great the area is in producing talent.

Pretty sure he said "minor league" not major league and sure as hell didn't mention Hall of Fame. So your statements have nothing to do with what he said. Besides why limit it to catchers only? If a kid can play in the minors he is good enough to play college baseball at ETSU.

I was referring to the "few that made the show" part of the sentence you chose to ignore, Rod.

The area produced Billy Wagner. Okay. I won't even go into asking if Tazwell is part of the Tri-Cities, I'll just give you it is.

It also produced Tilly Walker. And Dale Alexander. Ed Whitson.

Didn't produce Todd Helton; that's a Knoxville guy, but regardless.

But don't you see that when these are the best players from the Tri-Cities over the years, that's not the greatest amount of talent. And when the entire state of Tennessee, which is, what, the 17th most populated state in the country?, has never produced a Hall of Famer outside of Negro Leaguer Turkey Stearnes, what does that tell you?

Maryland can claim Babe Ruth. Pennsylvania can claim Honus Wagner. Alabama Willie Mays. Georgia Ty Cobb. California- gosh- let's just go with Barry Bonds.

Tennessee has Turkey Stearnes.

I'm not suggesting we should "defend the code of silences and secrets." Everybody knows that and I don't think I have.

I'm just suggesting we not overrate the baseball talent of the area, okay?


Lets not say if local kids can't make it to the Hall of Fame or the Big Leagues they can't play baseball. If they can play minor league ball then
they damn sure are good enough to play at ETSU.
You are trying to compare apples and oranges. You sure as hell don't have to be good enough to make it to the "show" to be good enough to play Div I baseball.
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Your standards are lower than mine.

That's apparent. Just look where you live.
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You don't think Shorty Adams could have been a standout at ETSU or the kid who pitched at Science Hill, Norris I think or a few other local kids who skipped college and went straight to the minors?
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(05-22-2012 04:36 PM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Your standards are lower than mine.

That's apparent. Just look where you live.

No you dumb***, I am not looking for local kids to play pro ball at the highest level or make it the HoF, if they are that good they aren't going to college anyway. My standards are, simple are they good enough to play at ETSU? thats what we are talking about here, ETSU baseball.
You are the one who keeps bringing up that useless crap that has nothing to do with what the discussion is.
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I'm saying that the talent in the area isn't as great as a previous poster made it out to be. I'm saying that his arguement seemed to go down the line of "ETSU should win more because the talent around here is so good."

I'm saying that the talent around the Tri-Cities isn't all that special and historically the talent produced by Tennessee as compared to other states of similar population and/or geography has been substandard. I am basing this on published articles I have done and research compiled by myself and the Society of American Baseball Research.

I am also saying that a team of local recruits will generally have a tough time winning championships against teams of local recruits based in Florida.

I am also saying it is telling about your lack of intellect that I have to repeat my points to you in this fashion.

As far as Shorty Adams and the like, I have no idea. I only know that when you start naming players like that as far as "coulda beens" and "shoulda beens" that, yes, it obviously speaks of overrating local talent.

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I was just naming a player off the top of my head, I know Shorty made it to at least the AA level, didn't play in college. Good enough to make it the AA level I bet ETSU would have loved to have him. Norris was just drafted in 2011 (71st pick) signed for 2 millions dollars, if he hadn't gone pro he was going to Clemson, you don't think Skole would have thought he was good enough to play at ETSU??
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You mentioned apples to oranges in my arguement, I think this is the same thing.

But for the record, I am skeptical that Norris or any one player would have been able to singlehandedly lead ETSU to a conference title, let alone the College World Series. I am also skeptical that Norris' impact alone would have the ETSU program ranked among the nation's elite after his departure because of all the recruits from who knows where who would want to follow in his footsteps to baseball greatness.
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