(05-16-2012 02:08 PM)MTalum09 Wrote:  So how many times have you watched MT play? What about Troy or Ark State? It's not like we are on TV every weekend. So isn't this somewhat calling the kettle black?

That was my point smart guy, thanks for repeating it back to me.

(05-16-2012 02:10 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  That was my point smart guy, thanks for repeating it back to me.

From what you said it seemed like you were implying that we shouldn't be able to say we think App St wouldn't do well in the SBC because most of us have never seen them play, which I believe is a fair, good point. What MTalum09 was saying is that you shouldn't be able to say App St would be able to compete from the get-go because you probably haven't seen many Sun Belt schools play either.

(05-16-2012 02:02 PM)CatMom Wrote:  All you guys are doing is pissing in the wind back and forth and around again.

FBS folks. Hey, remember many of your teams were FCS once. Hell, a lot of the SBC teams were SLC teams before moving up. What's your point?

If you think FCS fans are unaware of the inequalities between the two divisions, get over it. The main FCS argument is not that we're equal (though can become so after a move up) but that, on any given Saturday, the possiblity of an FCS win is there.

FCS teams do not get 4/5 star recruits, the top 25 players in their state or the bigger faster, more skilled ones. We also are down 22 scholarships and about 25-30 overall players on the depth charts. We know all this. It doesn't stop the passion of pulling for our team in a game where we know we will get our asses kicked.

Having been FCS, I would think many of the posters on this forum (in particular) understand where we come form but perhaps many of you are too young to remember those days.

If you want my opinion, FCS fans are more knowledgeable about the whole DI landscape than FBS fans. We grew up knowing about UT, ND, Ohio St, Miami, USC, UCLA, Alabama, et al. They were all you heard and knew about. When we became affiliated with an FCS school we then delved into that world. How many FBS fans can say they know the conferences in FCS? The AQs for the playoffs? What teams/conferences do not have 63 schollies, which have less or none and who does not participate in the playoffs...by choice? Can you name 25 FCS teams? How about the traditonally best program in each of those conferences?

We get it. We know it. We realize we don't play 12 games (except certain years) and we don't play 12 games against FBS. We also know that by the 3rd quarter the depth and talent rears its ugly head. It does not preclude an FCS team that moves up from being competitive by the time they are full members. Realistic? Probably not but anything can happen.

It also does not preclude FCS fans from being totally passionate about their school.

Not about passion or knowledge. Yes, most all of us came from schools that were originally D1aa. Guess what? There are a couple of schools in the SBC that have National Championships. What we understand that a couple of the FCS posters in this thread do not understand is exactly how hard the transition and the season is for a school. Ask FIU or FAU or WKU or ULM. Heck, starting this year, ask South Alabama. The two posters want to talk about how good the cream of the crop of FCS is and how they would stack up. Well, I showed them the results of the top 25. Then it was "well agaisnt the MAC or the SBC" and I showed how FCS schools fared. Then it was "these are the elite schools" and I showed those records for the last 10 years.

Yes there are good programs at the FCS level and they have organizations that could make the transition and there is no doubt in my mind that some could be competitive fairly quickly. But they are not ready for the season grind of a FBS schedule.

So we either have a troll (not you) or someone that has no reading comprehension skills or just likes to ignore facts.

(05-16-2012 03:18 PM)tyler90wm Wrote:  From what you said it seemed like you were implying that we shouldn't be able to say we think App St wouldn't do well in the SBC because most of us have never seen them play, which I believe is a fair, good point. What MTalum09 was saying is that you shouldn't be able to say App St would be able to compete from the get-go because you probably haven't seen many Sun Belt schools play either.

Not exactly. When some try to use App's record against LSUx2, Florida, Michigan, NC State and Kansas, to justify their opinion on how well App will perform in the Sun Belt, I'll take issue with it.

Those teams dont compare to the Sun Belt, nor to App.

If you have an opinion, great, but dont try to justify it with facts that have no earthly bearing whatsoever on the issue at hand.

these Ga southern posts are like the energizer bunny, they just keep going and going and going......

It will take some time for ASU to adjust to the new level of FBS football. That's why it's called moving up, and not moving over.

That said, I do believe that as a program, App is in the best shape to make a jump since Marshall did so in 1997. Appalachian is one of only two football-first schools in North Carolina. Only twice in its history has Appalachian suffered through consecutive losing seasons, so for over eightysomenting years the expectations have been quite high. That's not going to change — especially now that the program is actually getting proper funding for the first time. Moving from FCS to FBS, will be a big commitment on our part, but we're not desiring a up to become a door mat in our flagship sport.

(05-16-2012 03:32 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  these Ga southern posts are like the energizer bunny, they just keep going and going and going......

I don't get you CatMom, you say "we" when refering to FCS...yet you're one of us now. "We" should be used when referencing FBS.

(05-16-2012 02:02 PM)CatMom Wrote:  All you guys are doing is pissing in the wind back and forth and around again.

FBS folks. Hey, remember many of your teams were FCS once. Hell, a lot of the SBC teams were SLC teams before moving up. What's your point?

If you think FCS fans are unaware of the inequalities between the two divisions, get over it. The main FCS argument is not that we're equal (though can become so after a move up) but that, on any given Saturday, the possiblity of an FCS win is there.

FCS teams do not get 4/5 star recruits, the top 25 players in their state or the bigger faster, more skilled ones. We also are down 22 scholarships and about 25-30 overall players on the depth charts. We know all this. It doesn't stop the passion of pulling for our team in a game where we know we will get our asses kicked.

Having been FCS, I would think many of the posters on this forum (in particular) understand where we come form but perhaps many of you are too young to remember those days.

If you want my opinion, FCS fans are more knowledgeable about the whole DI landscape than FBS fans. We grew up knowing about UT, ND, Ohio St, Miami, USC, UCLA, Alabama, et al. They were all you heard and knew about. When we became affiliated with an FCS school we then delved into that world. How many FBS fans can say they know the conferences in FCS? The AQs for the playoffs? What teams/conferences do not have 63 schollies, which have less or none and who does not participate in the playoffs...by choice? Can you name 25 FCS teams? How about the traditonally best program in each of those conferences?

We get it. We know it. We realize we don't play 12 games (except certain years) and we don't play 12 games against FBS. We also know that by the 3rd quarter the depth and talent rears its ugly head. It does not preclude an FCS team that moves up from being competitive by the time they are full members. Realistic? Probably not but anything can happen.

It also does not preclude FCS fans from being totally passionate about their school.

(05-16-2012 05:22 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  I don't get you CatMom, you say "we" when refering to FCS...yet you're one of us now. "We" should be used when referencing FBS.

We're not there yet. We have 45 more days

(05-16-2012 01:48 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 12:56 PM)InjunJohn Wrote:  App St 1-9

Vtech, Florida, ECU (CUSA Champs,) LSU, Michigan, NC State, LSU, Kansas.

What would your record be?

Please keep in mind, if we are going to compare correctly, that none would be home games for ULM. Last year ULM lost all 3 OOC Away games.

(05-16-2012 02:02 PM)CatMom Wrote:  All you guys are doing is pissing in the wind back and forth and around again.

FBS folks. Hey, remember many of your teams were FCS once. Hell, a lot of the SBC teams were SLC teams before moving up. What's your point?

If you think FCS fans are unaware of the inequalities between the two divisions, get over it. The main FCS argument is not that we're equal (though can become so after a move up) but that, on any given Saturday, the possiblity of an FCS win is there.

FCS teams do not get 4/5 star recruits, the top 25 players in their state or the bigger faster, more skilled ones. We also are down 22 scholarships and about 25-30 overall players on the depth charts. We know all this. It doesn't stop the passion of pulling for our team in a game where we know we will get our asses kicked.

Having been FCS, I would think many of the posters on this forum (in particular) understand where we come form but perhaps many of you are too young to remember those days.

If you want my opinion, FCS fans are more knowledgeable about the whole DI landscape than FBS fans. We grew up knowing about UT, ND, Ohio St, Miami, USC, UCLA, Alabama, et al. They were all you heard and knew about. When we became affiliated with an FCS school we then delved into that world. How many FBS fans can say they know the conferences in FCS? The AQs for the playoffs? What teams/conferences do not have 63 schollies, which have less or none and who does not participate in the playoffs...by choice? Can you name 25 FCS teams? How about the traditonally best program in each of those conferences?

We get it. We know it. We realize we don't play 12 games (except certain years) and we don't play 12 games against FBS. We also know that by the 3rd quarter the depth and talent rears its ugly head. It does not preclude an FCS team that moves up from being competitive by the time they are full members. Realistic? Probably not but anything can happen.

It also does not preclude FCS fans from being totally passionate about their school.

Yeah, but no one will ever care. That's why your school made the move to FBS and rightfully so. FCS fans(not you) like to go by perception of the sun belt from 2000 and make bold claims such as they would go bowling in the sun belt. This is an entirely different topic than the one you're talking about Catmom, but over the past few months we have been bombarded by posters from FCS schools coming here to tell us how much we suck and how easy it would be to win our conference. You ask which FCS teams we know of, and I'll ask you how many SBC games you have seen on TV or in person since 2000? The answer will be none both ways. Granted, not many games are on TV, but espn3 shows plenty sun belt games, and if one really wanted to see the talent in our league, they could have. I have watched plenty of FCS games in the last 12 years, and I have watched a lot of SBC football. In 2000 I think every member except MT would have been susceptible of a loss to an FCS team, but not in 2012. You can understand where we're coming from when these topics come up and although this one is tame, usually end with the outsider telling us we suck and would get waxed by FCS schools. Again, this is not directed at you, but I disagree with the statement FCS fans are more knowledgeable. They are generally way less informed about the lower conferences and let homerism and pride in their own school get in the way of reality.

For heavens sakes stop this madness!

Where are the moderators?

We should be discussing actual SunBelt sports, not this stupid crap.

Maybe the mods should ban any fans of schools not currently in the conference who insist on constantly pimping their crappy schools. At least ban the trolls who insist on running down the Belt. Let them go insult the MAC or C-USA. (they probably won't last long over there)

This is after all, still our conference!

Yeah honestly if I wanted to read some contrived, inane FCS drivel I would go to AGS.com

ntmean

Just to answer the one question. I don't watch much college football on TV because I'm usually at a TXST game. I do tailgate and then go to the games. I live 50 miles away so that's 2 hours driving time. I don't have the time to watch other games on TV. So, it's not lack of the want, just not practical. And, if you really want to know, when I do get the chance I actually prefer WAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC games to B12 and the others. (when I can see them)

I have very basic cable and my ISP won't let me get ESPN3. (It's about the cheapest ISP we could find) However, there was a site (now shut down) that I could catch some free games on.

Guess I'm an anomaly when to comes to College Ball. Just not a fan of the AQ conferences.

As for FCS drivel...try championshipsubdivision.com instead of AGS. It's a hell of a lot more fun. (not that any of you would likely go there but it was worth noting IMHO). I enjoy being on that forum because it's no holds barred and I can actually post what I'm wanting to say without censorship or repercussions.

(05-16-2012 11:15 PM)CatMom Wrote:  ntmean

Just to answer the one question. I don't watch much college football on TV because I'm usually at a TXST game. I do tailgate and then go to the games. I live 50 miles away so that's 2 hours driving time. I don't have the time to watch other games on TV. So, it's not lack of the want, just not practical. And, if you really want to know, when I do get the chance I actually prefer WAC, MWC, CUSA and SBC games to B12 and the others. (when I can see them)

I have very basic cable and my ISP won't let me get ESPN3. (It's about the cheapest ISP we could find) However, there was a site (now shut down) that I could catch some free games on.

Guess I'm an anomaly when to comes to College Ball. Just not a fan of the AQ conferences.

As for FCS drivel...try championshipsubdivision.com instead of AGS. It's a hell of a lot more fun. (not that any of you would likely go there but it was worth noting IMHO). I enjoy being on that forum because it's no holds barred and I can actually post what I'm wanting to say without censorship or repercussions.

I too am a fan of my school not one I did not attend or aspire to attend. Too many guys seem to want to watch every other school except theirs and then tout how good the other school is. If they would support only their school (sometimes more depending how schools you have degrees from), their school would grow in stature.

People listen to the media and get caught up in their hype of the networks marketing a particular conference or school. It is in the network's interest for you watch what they have selected rather than watch what you have ownership in: your school. Not saying you should not watch other schools but your #1 choice and support should be to your school.

(05-16-2012 08:39 PM)crawfish3 Wrote:  For heavens sakes stop this madness!

Where are the moderators?

We should be discussing actual SunBelt sports, not this stupid crap.

Maybe the mods should ban any fans of schools not currently in the conference who insist on constantly pimping their crappy schools. At least ban the trolls who insist on running down the Belt. Let them go insult the MAC or C-USA. (they probably won't last long over there)

This is after all, still our conference!

While I agree this thread is nonsense since it is an attempt to campare FCS vs FBS, something you just can't do given the vast amount fo factors outside of anyone's control.

I have to disagree with your ban everyone comments. If your issue is to not run across "pimps" or fans that are from schools outside of the Sun Belt then I think your issue is with the current college sports landscape in general. Until stability comes in the form of some type of regulation to control how teams switch conferences other than an "invite" you will see this year in and year out. Stability is just a word right now to college sports, not practice.

Your head will explode should the Big 12 add a school or two in the next few weeks to a year, setting off a whole new round of moves.

As a knowledgeable and respectful Georgia Southern fan, I had to register for this board just so I could apologize for the idiocy some of my fellow Eagles are spouting here. I'm sorry to all. I promise we are not all that arrogant and ridiculous.

Eagle fans, seriously? Some of you, like the OP (Opie?), are embarrassing us here. Even if you believe in your heart that we will come into the Sunbelt and go 126-0 our first year in football, keep it to yourselves. I know we have a great FCS team and most people here would agree. But we are not in the Sunbelt, or even FBS for that matter. So just cool it until an announcement is made. Baker has been enough of an embarrassment during this process. We don't need more right now.

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. I'll refrain from posting further until we make the jump. Hopefully that'll be months, not years from now.

Cheers.

This board has nearly become unreadable due to garbage threads like this, stupid unrealistic realignment threads, and the thousands of threads started by FCS fans that are usually about the exact same thing as 5 other threads on the front page.

Can the mods restore a little order? There's a conference realignment board for a reason.

I certainly didn't mean to get people riled up, was just following up on another post, just wanted to show where we were in Sagarin, I didn't know it would go 10 pages and get panties wound tight, I will hold back on my posting from here on out as these posts get so much attention and time

(05-17-2012 01:05 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  I certainly didn't mean to get people riled up, was just following up on another post, just wanted to show where we were in Sagarin, I didn't know it would go 10 pages and get panties wound tight, I will hold back on my posting from here on out as these posts get so much attention and time

When you are FCS Sagarin is fun to compare yourselves against FBS but when you move on up to FBS the table is turned. With luck you will experience that feeling some day, perhaps soon.