(05-15-2012 07:57 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Also the bottom 10 Teams in the FBS are not all in the SBC....Some are in the CUSA, MAC, WAC....I would put maybe 1 or 2 SBC school in the bottom 10.

Exactly and the top 10 FCS schools are not all in one conference either. If you made a conference of the 10 worst FBS schools and a conference of the 10 best FCS schools, you might have a better overall conference with the FCS schools, but there would still be that pesky depth issue.

(05-15-2012 07:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:57 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Also the bottom 10 Teams in the FBS are not all in the SBC....Some are in the CUSA, MAC, WAC....I would put maybe 1 or 2 SBC school in the bottom 10.

Exactly and the top 10 FCS schools are not all in one conference either. If you made a conference of the 10 worst FBS schools and a conference of the 10 best FCS schools, you might have a better overall conference with the FCS schools, but there would still be that pesky depth issue.

Yep, FBS has many more scholarships, not easy to compare

(05-15-2012 08:03 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:58 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:57 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  Also the bottom 10 Teams in the FBS are not all in the SBC....Some are in the CUSA, MAC, WAC....I would put maybe 1 or 2 SBC school in the bottom 10.

Exactly and the top 10 FCS schools are not all in one conference either. If you made a conference of the 10 worst FBS schools and a conference of the 10 best FCS schools, you might have a better overall conference with the FCS schools, but there would still be that pesky depth issue.

Yep, FBS has many more scholarships, not easy to compare

exactly.

so please...

(05-15-2012 07:15 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:12 PM)panama Wrote:  Tee Hee! They bought Sagarins onto SunBeltbbs.

208

FBS team #125

(05-15-2012 07:48 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  Very true man, one of my best buddies here in Atlanta went to mtsu, but is a rabid UTK fan, he has no clue when mtsu is playing, the difference between the bottom of FBS and top of FCS is pretty small

Just based on that your friend seems like a douche

(05-15-2012 09:20 PM)tyler90wm Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:48 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  Very true man, one of my best buddies here in Atlanta went to mtsu, but is a rabid UTK fan, he has no clue when mtsu is playing, the difference between the bottom of FBS and top of FCS is pretty small

Just based on that your friend seems like a ******

I agree he is a terrible supporter of his U

One thing most D1AA fans don't understand is the difference in depth of D1A vs D1AA over the course of an entire season, not just any given single game. Another item most D1AA fans don't understand is you lose the D1A transfer pipeline because they have to sit out a year if you're D1A vs D1AA.

And yes, I use the old school terms of D1A and D1AA vs the nu skool terms.

(05-15-2012 07:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:48 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(05-15-2012 07:24 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  I have not been a proponent of moving to FBS, sorta big fish in small pond attitude, like getting to semi finals last two years, what would we look forward to in FBS?

Playing football that people outside your own fanbase pay attention to. I'm not saying the Sun Belt is front page of the sports section stuff, far from it, but at least we're playing on national television several times a year, playing big name teams in our own stadium and have the dangling carrot of becoming at least semi-relevant. A FCS team could go undefeated for five consecutive years and few would notice.

Very true man, one of my best buddies here in Atlanta went to mtsu, but is a rabid UTK fan, he has no clue when mtsu is playing, the difference between the bottom of FBS and top of FCS is pretty small

The difference between the bottom 10 or so FBS schools and the top 10 or so FCS schools is pretty small talent wise, but the FCS schools do not have the depth.

If the FCS national champion in any given year could play each of the bottom 10 FBS schools individually, in a vacuum, with no game the week before or the game after, on a neutral field, I actually think the FCS team would post a winning record, not 10-0, but a winning record nonetheless.
Unfortunately for the sake of this discussion, that's not how football is played. If the FCS national champion was to play that same group of 10 schools over an 11 week period, they'd be lucky to go 5-5.

I think the GAP as widened. If you look at the players in the lower tier FBS teams and then take a look at the players on a high end FCS team, physically the FBS team is so much bigger nowadays. A decade or so ago, I think physically the teams could have matched up better. I have been up close at a few practices of FBS teams and of course Georgia Southern. It's a pretty big difference IMO. Hell, my wife wife even noticed and she barely watches football.

If we make the move, the triple option will help us have some success just because it is hard to defend when you don't play against it regularly. But our biggest challange will be to recruit some guys with the same speed and agility needed to run that offense but bigger. That will take some time.

(05-15-2012 07:12 PM)panama Wrote:  Tee Hee! They bought Sagarins onto SunBeltbbs.

I like this thread - SunBeltbbs getting a taste of the GaSots that GSU fans know all to well.

(05-16-2012 07:17 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  One thing most D1AA fans don't understand is the difference in depth of D1A vs D1AA over the course of an entire season, not just any given single game. Another item most D1AA fans don't understand is you lose the D1A transfer pipeline because they have to sit out a year if you're D1A vs D1AA.

And yes, I use the old school terms of D1A and D1AA vs the nu skool terms.

I hope this is a not generalization because I can attest to the fact the TXST posters on here (and our other boards) do know this. Fact is most fans of FCS that are on boards I frequent are more aware and knowledgeable than you're giving credit for.

Well, I posted this before when someone raised this same issue so I will say it again. The Top 25 FCS teams (coaches final poll) went a combined 2-20 against FBS schools. The only 2 victories were from the top 2 teams. The national champ, Norht Dakota St beat a 3-9 Minn team and the runner up, Sam Houston St, beat a 1-11 New Mexico in overtime. Everyone else lost. That is the best 25 teams in FCS who had to get fired up for one game. This isn't playing FSU and then playing TCU the next week or following Auburn with Arkansas. The best two teams got victories with two of the worst teams.

(05-16-2012 09:32 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well, I posted this before when someone raised this same issue so I will say it again. The Top 25 FCS teams (coaches final poll) went a combined 2-20 against FBS schools. The only 2 victories were from the top 2 teams. The national champ, Norht Dakota St beat a 3-9 Minn team and the runner up, Sam Houston St, beat a 1-11 New Mexico in overtime. Everyone else lost. That is the best 25 teams in FCS who had to get fired up for one game. This isn't playing FSU and then playing TCU the next week or following Auburn with Arkansas. The best two teams got victories with two of the worst teams.

You're not accounting for the fact that the top FCS teams always play the top BCS teams. App's games against ECU this year and in 2009 are the easiest FBS games we've had in a while, and they're certainly no pushover. Our other games have been against Michigan, LSU, VT and Florida. We lost to ECU by 5 in 09 and to NCSU by 13 in 2006. If the top FCS were paired with MAC and SBC schools every year, you'd likely see a more even split.

(05-16-2012 09:45 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:32 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well, I posted this before when someone raised this same issue so I will say it again. The Top 25 FCS teams (coaches final poll) went a combined 2-20 against FBS schools. The only 2 victories were from the top 2 teams. The national champ, Norht Dakota St beat a 3-9 Minn team and the runner up, Sam Houston St, beat a 1-11 New Mexico in overtime. Everyone else lost. That is the best 25 teams in FCS who had to get fired up for one game. This isn't playing FSU and then playing TCU the next week or following Auburn with Arkansas. The best two teams got victories with two of the worst teams.

You're not accounting for the fact that the top FCS teams always play the top BCS teams. App's games against ECU this year and in 2009 are the easiest FBS games we've had in a while, and they're certainly no pushover. Our other games have been against Michigan, LSU, VT and Florida. We lost to ECU by 5 in 09 and to NCSU by 13 in 2006. If the top FCS were paired with MAC and SBC schools every year, you'd likely see a more even split.

I accounted for their records from this past season. The only two wins from the top 25 came against a team that finished 3-9 and the other came against a team that went 1-11. Everyone else lost.

You are not accounting for the fact that FCS teams have to get up for that "one game against a FBS opponent" as opposed to having to play FBS talent each and every week (except for the one FCS team they may have). Let's see how those teams do when they play FSU, TCU, and Iowa in the first 4 weeks of the season.

(05-16-2012 09:52 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:45 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:32 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well, I posted this before when someone raised this same issue so I will say it again. The Top 25 FCS teams (coaches final poll) went a combined 2-20 against FBS schools. The only 2 victories were from the top 2 teams. The national champ, Norht Dakota St beat a 3-9 Minn team and the runner up, Sam Houston St, beat a 1-11 New Mexico in overtime. Everyone else lost. That is the best 25 teams in FCS who had to get fired up for one game. This isn't playing FSU and then playing TCU the next week or following Auburn with Arkansas. The best two teams got victories with two of the worst teams.

You're not accounting for the fact that the top FCS teams always play the top BCS teams. App's games against ECU this year and in 2009 are the easiest FBS games we've had in a while, and they're certainly no pushover. Our other games have been against Michigan, LSU, VT and Florida. We lost to ECU by 5 in 09 and to NCSU by 13 in 2006. If the top FCS were paired with MAC and SBC schools every year, you'd likely see a more even split.

I accounted for their records from this past season. The only two wins from the top 25 came against a team that finished 3-9 and the other came against a team that went 1-11. Everyone else lost.

You are not accounting for the fact that FCS teams have to get up for that "one game against a FBS opponent" as opposed to having to play FBS talent each and every week (except for the one FCS team they may have). Let's see how those teams do when they play FSU, TCU, and Iowa in the first 4 weeks of the season.

def a challenge to compare as the FBS teams have so many more scholarships, however they play teams "equal" to them week in and out, BTW, GaSou gets up for EVERY game - point is hard to compare, apples and tires

You are right, Geogia Southern is too good for the lowly Belt. Thanks for the update, now go elsewhere.

(05-15-2012 05:50 PM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  81 Georgia Southern
131 App State

67 Arkansas State
82 Louisiana-Lafayette
94 Fla. International
101 Western Kentucky
121 North Texas
124 Louisiana-Monroe
147 Troy
169 Middle Tennessee
190 Florida Atlantic

178 Texas State
181 South Alabama
208 Ga state

(05-16-2012 09:56 AM)ATLGSUEAGLE Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:52 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:45 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:32 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well, I posted this before when someone raised this same issue so I will say it again. The Top 25 FCS teams (coaches final poll) went a combined 2-20 against FBS schools. The only 2 victories were from the top 2 teams. The national champ, Norht Dakota St beat a 3-9 Minn team and the runner up, Sam Houston St, beat a 1-11 New Mexico in overtime. Everyone else lost. That is the best 25 teams in FCS who had to get fired up for one game. This isn't playing FSU and then playing TCU the next week or following Auburn with Arkansas. The best two teams got victories with two of the worst teams.

You're not accounting for the fact that the top FCS teams always play the top BCS teams. App's games against ECU this year and in 2009 are the easiest FBS games we've had in a while, and they're certainly no pushover. Our other games have been against Michigan, LSU, VT and Florida. We lost to ECU by 5 in 09 and to NCSU by 13 in 2006. If the top FCS were paired with MAC and SBC schools every year, you'd likely see a more even split.

I accounted for their records from this past season. The only two wins from the top 25 came against a team that finished 3-9 and the other came against a team that went 1-11. Everyone else lost.

You are not accounting for the fact that FCS teams have to get up for that "one game against a FBS opponent" as opposed to having to play FBS talent each and every week (except for the one FCS team they may have). Let's see how those teams do when they play FSU, TCU, and Iowa in the first 4 weeks of the season.

def a challenge to compare as the FBS teams have so many more scholarships, however they play teams "equal" to them week in and out, BTW, GaSou gets up for EVERY game - point is hard to compare, apples and tires

But you are trying to use Saragin to compare FCS teams to FBS teams. As seen by the performance of the "cream of the crop" of the FCS (Top 25), they can only muster 2 wins out of 22 attempts, and that was against two bad FBS teams. So, like you said, apples and tires.

Now to address the other comment about FCS/top teams to SBC and MAC. Well, combined, the SBC and MAC went 15-1 against FCS opponents. In those 16 games, those conferences went 3-0 against the Top 25, with wins of 53-24, 35-7, and 58-22.

(05-16-2012 09:45 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 09:32 AM)InjunJohn Wrote:  Well, I posted this before when someone raised this same issue so I will say it again. The Top 25 FCS teams (coaches final poll) went a combined 2-20 against FBS schools. The only 2 victories were from the top 2 teams. The national champ, Norht Dakota St beat a 3-9 Minn team and the runner up, Sam Houston St, beat a 1-11 New Mexico in overtime. Everyone else lost. That is the best 25 teams in FCS who had to get fired up for one game. This isn't playing FSU and then playing TCU the next week or following Auburn with Arkansas. The best two teams got victories with two of the worst teams.

You're not accounting for the fact that the top FCS teams always play the top BCS teams.

That may be the worst retort I've ever seen. Let's look at who the "top" FCS team has played lately:
2011: ND played Minn (W)
2010: EW played Nevada (L)
2009: Nova played Temple (W)
2008: Richmond played Virginia (L 16-0)

Not a whole lot of "top BCS teams" there.

Before your "miracle in Michigan" you lost to Kansas, NC State and LSU - only one of which would be a "top BCS team". The truth is that just about every FCS team plays an FBS team, and the overall talent level difference is HUGE.

(05-16-2012 07:17 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  And yes, I use the old school terms of D1A and D1AA vs the nu skool terms.

Just as a matter of interest. How old is old school (see that spelling there? It's right)
My son is older than the terms you reference as old school (hell, so is my daughter). You want to go old school? Use University and College Divisions. That's the term older than me.

(05-16-2012 10:52 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  That may be the worst retort I've ever seen. Let's look at who the "top" FCS team has played lately:
2011: ND played Minn (W)
2010: EW played Nevada (L)
2009: Nova played Temple (W)
2008: Richmond played Virginia (L 16-0)

Not a whole lot of "top BCS teams" there.

Before your "miracle in Michigan" you lost to Kansas, NC State and LSU - only one of which would be a "top BCS team". The truth is that just about every FCS team plays an FBS team, and the overall talent level difference is HUGE.

Why stop at 2008? 2007 App beat Michigan, Delaware beat Navy and UNI beat Iowa St, New Hampshire downed Marshall , NDST beat CMU, McNeese beat Louisiana-Lafayette.

You also missed JMU beating Vtech in 2010, along with Jax St beating Mississippi, and Gardner Webb beating Akron, W&M over VA in 2009, and Richmond beating Duke twice.


I hate this thread, but if youre going to argue, dont use half truths.

(05-16-2012 11:16 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(05-16-2012 10:52 AM)Panthersville Wrote:  That may be the worst retort I've ever seen. Let's look at who the "top" FCS team has played lately:
2011: ND played Minn (W)
2010: EW played Nevada (L)
2009: Nova played Temple (W)
2008: Richmond played Virginia (L 16-0)

Not a whole lot of "top BCS teams" there.

Before your "miracle in Michigan" you lost to Kansas, NC State and LSU - only one of which would be a "top BCS team". The truth is that just about every FCS team plays an FBS team, and the overall talent level difference is HUGE.

Why stop at 2008? 2007 App beat Michigan, Delaware beat Navy and UNI beat Iowa St, New Hampshire downed Marshall , NDST beat CMU, McNeese beat Louisiana-Lafayette.

You also missed JMU beating Vtech in 2010, along with Jax St beating Mississippi, and Gardner Webb beating Akron, W&M over VA in 2009, and Richmond beating Duke twice.


I hate this thread, but if youre going to argue, dont use half truths.

The debate was not whether or not FCS teams beat FBS teams, we all know that to be the case. Upsets do happen. The debate was whether or not the top FCS teams only play top FBS teams, which clearly isn't the case. He was just showing what the past national champions have done and clearly none of them were playing top FBS teams.