(05-07-2012 06:20 PM)BLEEDITRED Wrote:  Every thread is degenerating into a GaSo vs GaSt pissing match. SBC, invite them already so the two actually have a reason to be incessantly going back and forth.

Their plan is to turn any thread we post in into a pissing match so it goes to the smack board and off the main board.

Most of us Southern fans are just trying to state our case.

(05-07-2012 06:49 PM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  No chance. We tried that once, many thought it was to position our school for the next level.

Went 8-3 in 2005, scrapped the option after a meltdown @texas state in the first round of the playoffs.

...

Went back to the option and went 10-5 in 2010 and 11-3 in 2011, making it to the semi finals both years.

Fair enough. It was my impression that there was more to the issues during the VanGorder year (and perhaps to a certain extent, the Hatcher years) than a change in offense.

(05-07-2012 06:45 PM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  I don't hate Southern. They just aren't what the Sun Belt is looking for. They can talk about GSU all they want, but we have our invite. They want one too. Will they get it? It's looking unlikely.

App State brings everything GS brings, but more in that they are in a different state and a research institution. NMSU brings good basketball, something the SBC is lacking in, and they are very close to a relatively large media market.

I thought the rumor was NMSU would be added as a football only school. did I hear wrong?

(05-07-2012 06:45 PM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  I don't hate Southern. They just aren't what the Sun Belt is looking for. They can talk about GSU all they want, but we have our invite. They want one too. Will they get it? It's looking unlikely.

App State brings everything GS brings, but more in that they are in a different state and a research institution. NMSU brings good basketball, something the SBC is lacking in, and they are very close to a relatively large media market.

Your argument for shunning GaSouth is false.

You need to check your facts bud. We are not a research institution, our alternative energy research fellas are top notch no doubt, but we are currently not at research level yet. Not that I or anyone should care since this is a sports forum.

Thanks for the neg rep though Hammer.....you pee on the message board and throw negs my way b/c I call you on it.

(05-07-2012 07:01 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Not that I or anyone should care since this is a sports forum.

It does make sense to like the idea of sharing a conference with like-minded institutions, though, right?

(05-07-2012 07:04 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 07:01 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Not that I or anyone should care since this is a sports forum.

It does make sense to like the idea of sharing a conference with like-minded institutions, though, right?

According to this, Ga Southern and Ga State would be the only Carnegie Doctoral/Research Universities in the Sun Belt. So I guess we can now change your vote on Georgia Southern to yes, right?

http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities.html

(05-07-2012 07:04 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 07:01 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Not that I or anyone should care since this is a sports forum.

It does make sense to like the idea of sharing a conference with like-minded institutions, though, right?

Well then I guess you guys should push out Troy, Middle Tenn, Western Kentucky, UALR, etc......

(05-07-2012 06:58 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 06:49 PM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  No chance. We tried that once, many thought it was to position our school for the next level.

Went 8-3 in 2005, scrapped the option after a meltdown @texas state in the first round of the playoffs.

...

Went back to the option and went 10-5 in 2010 and 11-3 in 2011, making it to the semi finals both years.

Fair enough. It was my impression that there was more to the issues during the VanGorder year (and perhaps to a certain extent, the Hatcher years) than a change in offense.

Hatcher tried his best to stop the bleeding, but most of the problems can be traced back to Van Gorder doing a complete 180 with the offense, and not adapting anything to the talent he had. He did his best to "clear roster room" for "his players" we had a LOT of players leave during those times... which causes us to get more aggressive in recruiting and go after players we shouldn't, and that came back to bite us. That man took a playoff caliber 8-3 team to 3-8 the next year. Things slowly turned around with Hatcher, but not fast enough. Most weren't happy with the way Hatcher got fired, but were very excited to get the Option back. It's our identity.

(05-07-2012 07:11 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well then I guess you guys should push out Troy, Middle Tenn, Western Kentucky, UALR, etc......

Not the point I'm making, sir. I'm just pointing out that it's reasonable to look at more than sports when deciding who to associate with in an athletic conference. I think the Liberty discussions around here show that to be the case. I'll also note that MTSU and UALR both have Doctoral/Research University classification, and Troy has widespread name recognition due to the marketing outside of their home state.

I am certainly not an expert on this subject, but it seems to me Georgia Southern is on par with all the schools in the SBC academics wise. Each one has their strengths and weaknesses.

Now, if you look at the Southern Conf, it is clear there are schools that are further along than us or App when it comes to academics. Furman, Elon, Wofford, Citadel......

You guys are ruining all of the threads.
Take it to the flame board.

(05-07-2012 07:01 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Your argument for shunning GaSouth is false.

You need to check your facts bud. We are not a research institution, our alternative energy research fellas are top notch no doubt, but we are currently not at research level yet. Not that I or anyone should care since this is a sports forum.

Thanks for the neg rep though Hammer.....you pee on the message board and throw negs my way b/c I call you on it.

My apologies man. I thought you all were. Relax though. Everything else was completely positive. Everything else I said about Southern is true as well. University Presidents definitely look at the quality of school when inviting. You can't take that out of realignment.

(05-07-2012 07:08 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  According to this, Ga Southern and Ga State would be the only Carnegie Doctoral/Research Universities in the Sun Belt. So I guess we can now change your vote on Georgia Southern to yes, right?

http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities.html

Well, I don't know what is going on across the country in Washington. But, the University of Georgia only recognizes these schools as research unis. Southern is consider regional. http://www.usg.edu/inst/group

(05-07-2012 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Lol...and I bet its been 20 posts in the last 8 months. Don't flatter yourself. You're not important enough for me to lie about. I lie awake thinking of South Alabama a lot more than about you guys.

If I counted correctly 35 post in one thread started by me in TalonTalk on March 28th out of a total of 132 posts in the thread. So what is this about only 20 post in the last 8 months.


panama we can see where your head is located and know that you are a card caring Georgia Southern Hater.


http://www.gsufans.com/tsc/showthread.ph...r-Sun-Belt

(05-07-2012 07:20 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 07:11 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Well then I guess you guys should push out Troy, Middle Tenn, Western Kentucky, UALR, etc......

Not the point I'm making, sir. I'm just pointing out that it's reasonable to look at more than sports when deciding who to associate with in an athletic conference. I think the Liberty discussions around here show that to be the case. I'll also note that MTSU and UALR both have Doctoral/Research University classification, and Troy has widespread name recognition due to the marketing outside of their home state.

UALR outsources that department to University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences. I stand corrected on MTSU, but they have an endowment of $48.2 million, dirt poor by comparison to any other major research university. You can call me sir, I'm used to that.

(05-07-2012 07:08 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 07:04 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 07:01 PM)ManOnABuffalo Wrote:  Not that I or anyone should care since this is a sports forum.

It does make sense to like the idea of sharing a conference with like-minded institutions, though, right?

According to this, Ga Southern and Ga State would be the only Carnegie Doctoral/Research Universities in the Sun Belt. So I guess we can now change your vote on Georgia Southern to yes, right?

http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities.html

If it is on the internet it must be true!!!!!

Oh, wait.........

If you go to the actual Carnegie website, you will see that GSU and GaSo are NOT at the same level (we are higher), and that USA, UL, and FAU are all at the same higher level that GSU is. Oh, and FIU and UNT were also at the higher level.

(05-07-2012 07:27 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-07-2012 03:30 PM)panama Wrote:  Lol...and I bet its been 20 posts in the last 8 months. Don't flatter yourself. You're not important enough for me to lie about. I lie awake thinking of South Alabama a lot more than about you guys.

If I counted correctly 35 post in one thread started by me in TalonTalk on March 28th out of a total of 132 posts in the thread. So what is this about only 20 post in the last 8 months.


panama we can see where your head is located and know that you are a card caring Georgia Southern Hater.


http://www.gsufans.com/tsc/showthread.ph...r-Sun-Belt

VB, I don't know as he hates 'em, he sure takes delight in rubbing their noses in the pile when he has the chance.
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(05-07-2012 07:25 PM)Hammer 22 Wrote:  My apologies man. I thought you all were. Relax though. Everything else was completely positive. Everything else I said about Southern is true as well. University Presidents definitely look at the quality of school when inviting. You can't take that out of realignment.

(05-07-2012 07:08 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  According to this, Ga Southern and Ga State would be the only Carnegie Doctoral/Research Universities in the Sun Belt. So I guess we can now change your vote on Georgia Southern to yes, right?

http://www.washington.edu/tools/universities.html

Well, I don't know what is going on across the country in Washington. But, the University SYSTEM of Georgia only recognizes these schools as research unis. Southern is consider regional. http://www.usg.edu/inst/group

FIFY.

A good article on the role of academics in realignment: http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/forge...he-big-12/

Locking this up since it runed away from its true purpose.