(01-25-2012 09:44 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:30 AM)Nellie Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:23 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:06 AM)Nellie Wrote:  MikeDyer Mike Dyer

Moeller WR Monty Madaris could make his decision today, according to the family. Still needs to speak with a few people first. #enqr

32 minutes ago

Very interesting. I honestly have no idea which way this is going to go.

Has Michigan been looking at him? I know MSU has been...but since Hoke is going to be in town today,maybe Monty is going to go to UM?

He has an offer from Michigan. There was talk about him visiting UM but then it sounded like he wasn't going to go. It sounded like Michigan was out of the picture but who knows.

What I've read is the same as what jake posted. If Nellie's post is in regard to my post above, the idea of UM and Madaris being a late match was just a wild guess from an MSU poster who basically abandoned that idea when he found out the reported reason for Hoke visiting Cincinnati is AJ Williams. Not that anything is impossible, but I haven't seen anything recently, much less anything substantiated, to indicate UM/Madaris is now in the works.

By the way, I did see a report that AJ Williams was possibly wavering earlier for a time before getting back into the fold with UM. Is Hoke visiting him just to check in or because he's wavering again? I don't know.

(01-25-2012 09:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Guessing Meatchikin swoops in.

He hasn't even visited Michigan to my knowledge (he canceled a visit) and he's always been a backup plan. If I recall, he said something in an interview along the lines of not liking being a wait and see guy for programs, he wanted to go where he was appreciated and had a committable offer on the table.

This was a while ago, but I don't think Michigan is in it at all. They've got 5 scholarships open with 5 prospects remaining that they're strongly recruiting. I guess that could change if they lose more than 1 or 2, but not many prospects like when coaches come running to them because they struck out late.

(01-25-2012 09:59 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:44 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:30 AM)Nellie Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:23 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:06 AM)Nellie Wrote:  MikeDyer Mike Dyer

Moeller WR Monty Madaris could make his decision today, according to the family. Still needs to speak with a few people first. #enqr

32 minutes ago

Very interesting. I honestly have no idea which way this is going to go.

Has Michigan been looking at him? I know MSU has been...but since Hoke is going to be in town today,maybe Monty is going to go to UM?

He has an offer from Michigan. There was talk about him visiting UM but then it sounded like he wasn't going to go. It sounded like Michigan was out of the picture but who knows.

What I've read is the same as what jake posted. If Nellie's post is in regard to my post above, the idea of UM and Madaris being a late match was just a wild guess from an MSU poster who basically abandoned that idea when he found out the reported reason for Hoke visiting Cincinnati is AJ Williams. Not that anything is impossible, but I haven't seen anything recently, much less anything substantiated, to indicate that is in the works.

By the way, I did see a report that AJ Williams was possibly wavering earlier for a time before getting back into the fold with UM. Is Hoke visiting him just to check in or because he's wavering again? I don't know.

Actually I was just, sort of, wildly speculating myself....

@JoshHelmholdt
Josh Helmholdt Cincinnati (OH) Moeller WR Monty Madaris says his decision will not come today #Cincinnati #MSU #Kentucky

Yea, Michigan isn't in the picture. What is surprising, UK?! I mean he's scheduled to visit but...

(01-25-2012 09:59 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 09:45 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Guessing Meatchikin swoops in.

He hasn't even visited Michigan to my knowledge (he canceled a visit) and he's always been a backup plan. If I recall, he said something in an interview along the lines of not liking being a wait and see guy for programs, he wanted to go where he was appreciated and had a committable offer on the table.

The spin surrounding some programs is so predictable. First it was Caleb was scared to compete and/or pushed out; now Monty has "always been a backup plan". The fact is UM offered Madaris a long time ago and scheduled an official visit. Backup plans are guys you keep in touch with but don't offer. He might not have been their highest priority overall prospect, but that's a far cry from "always a backup plan".

(01-25-2012 10:24 AM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  @JoshHelmholdt
Josh Helmholdt Cincinnati (OH) Moeller WR Monty Madaris says his decision will not come today #Cincinnati #MSU #Kentucky

Yea, Michigan isn't in the picture. What is surprising, UK?! I mean he's scheduled to visit but...

I dont think UK is much of a factor. Some of these national guys really dont have the inside scoop on kids. He is just listing the final 3 Madaris gave weeks ago. From all I've heard it is down to UC and Michigan State. I think he really really likes UC but is also being pushed to Michigan State by some certain people.

(01-25-2012 10:37 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  The spin surrounding some programs is so predictable. First it was Caleb was scared to compete and/or pushed out; now Monty has "always been a backup plan". The fact is UM offered Madaris a long time ago and scheduled an official visit. Backup plans are guys you keep in touch with but don't offer. He might not have been their highest priority overall prospect, but that's a far cry from "always a backup plan".

I don't think he was scared at all to compete. I think he wanted to be closer to home and wasn't necessarily feeling the love with UM going out and recruiting 3 more interior lineman, potentially bringing it up to 8 in one class. Oh, and I don't think he was pushed out at all. Makes complete sense that he would feel that way.

You really don't understand recruiting if that's your view on backup plans. Most colleges send offers out to 4, 5, 6 (even more in some cases) times the number of commits they're going to take in a class. A number of those offers are conditional and non-committable.

(01-25-2012 10:44 AM)Marcus Wrote:  I dont think UK is much of a factor. Some of these national guys really dont have the inside scoop on kids. He is just listing the final 3 Madaris gave weeks ago. From all I've heard it is down to UC and Michigan State. I think he really really likes UC but is also being pushed to Michigan State by some certain people.

I've read that MSU doesn't even have room for him right now. I still think UC is in good shape given the circumstances surrounding MSU. Apparently they have four incoming WR prospects (including Arnett) and I don't know if they'd want to add a 5th. UC is much more capable of handling and wanting a larger WR because of their offensive system.

(01-23-2012 02:29 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Pedro Sibiea might still be looking around.

Sibiea visited Minnesota this past weekend. It sounded like he was strongly considering them after his visit. Not sure if he's re-considering UC or not.

Circling back to Sibiea, he's apparently deciding between us, Minnesota and UL who he is currently committed to according to Scout. Louisville just picked up a commitment from DE/DT Sheldon Rankins last night. He's supposed to make an official decision on signing day but some UL fans are speculating that his spot may no longer be available.

(01-25-2012 10:57 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 10:44 AM)Marcus Wrote:  I dont think UK is much of a factor. Some of these national guys really dont have the inside scoop on kids. He is just listing the final 3 Madaris gave weeks ago. From all I've heard it is down to UC and Michigan State. I think he really really likes UC but is also being pushed to Michigan State by some certain people.

I've read that MSU doesn't even have room for him right now. I still think UC is in good shape given the circumstances surrounding MSU. Apparently they have four incoming WR prospects (including Arnett) and I don't know if they'd want to add a 5th. UC is much more capable of handling and wanting a larger WR because of their offensive system.

I hope you're right. I think he's a much better fit in UC's system as well. He more of an "athlete" right now than a polished WR and in UC's system they find more ways to get you the ball than at Michigan State.

Also, what did Michigan recruit AJ Williams as? That kid looks like he could be a hell of an offensive tackle in a spread offense. I assume he's solid to UM and not thinking about staying home?

(01-25-2012 11:05 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:29 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Pedro Sibiea might still be looking around.

Sibiea visited Minnesota this past weekend. It sounded like he was strongly considering them after his visit. Not sure if he's re-considering UC or not.

Circling back to Sibiea, he's apparently deciding between us, Minnesota and UL who he is currently committed to according to Scout. Louisville just picked up a commitment from DE/DT Sheldon Rankins last night. He's supposed to make an official decision on signing day but some UL fans are speculating that his spot may no longer be available.

I read the Rivals update yesterday on Sibeia. He certainly sounds wide open at this point between those three. I'd gladly take him if Louisville is out of room. The last time that happened (McClung) UC came out very well.

(01-25-2012 10:54 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 10:37 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  The spin surrounding some programs is so predictable. First it was Caleb was scared to compete and/or pushed out; now Monty has "always been a backup plan". The fact is UM offered Madaris a long time ago and scheduled an official visit. Backup plans are guys you keep in touch with but don't offer. He might not have been their highest priority overall prospect, but that's a far cry from "always a backup plan".

I don't think he was scared at all to compete. I think he wanted to be closer to home and wasn't necessarily feeling the love with UM going out and recruiting 3 more interior lineman, potentially bringing it up to 8 in one class. Oh, and I don't think he was pushed out at all. Makes complete sense that he would feel that way.

Ah yes, the "not feeling the love". Nobody ever prefers a school, especially UC, over Michigan. It always has its origin in the idea that Michigan didn't really want him that much anyway.

Quote:You really don't understand recruiting if that's your view on backup plans. Most colleges send offers out to 4, 5, 6 (even more in some cases) times the number of commits they're going to take in a class. A number of those offers are conditional and non-committable.

Really guru? Even Michigan thinks not everyone they offer will ultimately accept so they put out more offers than they have openings? It's amazing how many that don't end up signing there fit in the category I just described above according to their fans.

A conditional or non-committable offer isn't an offer at all. Show me how that was always the case with Madaris at UM.

(01-25-2012 12:14 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 11:05 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:29 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Pedro Sibiea might still be looking around.

Sibiea visited Minnesota this past weekend. It sounded like he was strongly considering them after his visit. Not sure if he's re-considering UC or not.

Circling back to Sibiea, he's apparently deciding between us, Minnesota and UL who he is currently committed to according to Scout. Louisville just picked up a commitment from DE/DT Sheldon Rankins last night. He's supposed to make an official decision on signing day but some UL fans are speculating that his spot may no longer be available.

I read the Rivals update yesterday on Sibeia. He certainly sounds wide open at this point between those three. I'd gladly take him if Louisville is out of room. The last time that happened (McClung) UC came out very well.

I saw a similar article on ESPN the other day except he said that he still considers himself a UL commit. He also seemed very impressed with Minn. He mentioned UC too, but with no real details so it seemed to imply UC might be running 3rd, but it could just be the writing/editing of course.

(01-25-2012 12:12 PM)Marcus Wrote:  I hope you're right. I think he's a much better fit in UC's system as well. He more of an "athlete" right now than a polished WR and in UC's system they find more ways to get you the ball than at Michigan State.

Also, what did Michigan recruit AJ Williams as? That kid looks like he could be a hell of an offensive tackle in a spread offense. I assume he's solid to UM and not thinking about staying home?

Agreed, and Madaris has tons of potential.

I think they're still going to let him try TE, but both he and Michigan know that he's probably going to end up at OT. He didn't seem to mind and was comfortable figuring out where he'd end up when he got on campus. He was basically an OT last year anyway given his high school's offensive system. If he comes in and shows he can catch the ball, look out.

I'm not sure if he's wavering, I haven't seen any interviews in a while from him. I'm guessing there may be a couple after he gets a visit from Hoke, so I'll just post whatever I see.

(01-25-2012 12:26 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  Ah yes, the "not feeling the love". Nobody ever prefers a school, especially UC, over Michigan. It always has its origin in the idea that Michigan didn't really want him that much anyway.

Really guru? Even Michigan thinks not everyone they offer will ultimately accept so they put out more offers than they have openings? It's amazing how many that don't end up signing there fit in the category I just described above according to their fans.

A conditional or non-committable offer isn't an offer at all. Show me how that was always the case with Madaris at UM.

Where did I say that? You're bound to feel less appreciated when the coaching staff is still recruiting a few OL prospects while their OL class is already large, it's human nature. If you take a look, some current (and former) prospects have shown concerns about the same exact thing. I never said Michigan didn't want him, they did. Compare that with staying in your hometown and being the man, potentially UC's most important prospect not named Coney. It makes perfect sense why he would change his commitment and I think he handled it well.

Your tone is annoying and frankly turns me off to the idea of replying. With that said, if you think it's uncommon for coaches to offer what they refer to as conditional or non-committable offers, this conversation continuing is pointless.

(01-25-2012 01:22 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 12:12 PM)Marcus Wrote:  I hope you're right. I think he's a much better fit in UC's system as well. He more of an "athlete" right now than a polished WR and in UC's system they find more ways to get you the ball than at Michigan State.

Also, what did Michigan recruit AJ Williams as? That kid looks like he could be a hell of an offensive tackle in a spread offense. I assume he's solid to UM and not thinking about staying home?

Agreed, and Madaris has tons of potential.

I think they're still going to let him try TE, but both he and Michigan know that he's probably going to end up at OT. He didn't seem to mind and was comfortable figuring out where he'd end up when he got on campus. He was basically an OT last year anyway given his high school's offensive system. If he comes in and shows he can catch the ball, look out.

I'm not sure if he's wavering, I haven't seen any interviews in a while from him. I'm guessing there may be a couple after he gets a visit from Hoke, so I'll just post whatever I see.

OT?

(01-25-2012 02:06 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 01:22 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 12:12 PM)Marcus Wrote:  I hope you're right. I think he's a much better fit in UC's system as well. He more of an "athlete" right now than a polished WR and in UC's system they find more ways to get you the ball than at Michigan State.

Also, what did Michigan recruit AJ Williams as? That kid looks like he could be a hell of an offensive tackle in a spread offense. I assume he's solid to UM and not thinking about staying home?

Agreed, and Madaris has tons of potential.

I think they're still going to let him try TE, but both he and Michigan know that he's probably going to end up at OT. He didn't seem to mind and was comfortable figuring out where he'd end up when he got on campus. He was basically an OT last year anyway given his high school's offensive system. If he comes in and shows he can catch the ball, look out.

I'm not sure if he's wavering, I haven't seen any interviews in a while from him. I'm guessing there may be a couple after he gets a visit from Hoke, so I'll just post whatever I see.

OT?

They're referring to AJ Williams who is a big TE. Not Madaris, LOL.

(01-25-2012 02:40 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 02:06 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 01:22 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 12:12 PM)Marcus Wrote:  I hope you're right. I think he's a much better fit in UC's system as well. He more of an "athlete" right now than a polished WR and in UC's system they find more ways to get you the ball than at Michigan State.

Also, what did Michigan recruit AJ Williams as? That kid looks like he could be a hell of an offensive tackle in a spread offense. I assume he's solid to UM and not thinking about staying home?

Agreed, and Madaris has tons of potential.

I think they're still going to let him try TE, but both he and Michigan know that he's probably going to end up at OT. He didn't seem to mind and was comfortable figuring out where he'd end up when he got on campus. He was basically an OT last year anyway given his high school's offensive system. If he comes in and shows he can catch the ball, look out.

I'm not sure if he's wavering, I haven't seen any interviews in a while from him. I'm guessing there may be a couple after he gets a visit from Hoke, so I'll just post whatever I see.

OT?

They're referring to AJ Williams who is a big TE. Not Madaris, LOL.

Aah, gotcha. Just a tad confused.

(01-25-2012 12:14 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 11:05 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:29 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Pedro Sibiea might still be looking around.

Sibiea visited Minnesota this past weekend. It sounded like he was strongly considering them after his visit. Not sure if he's re-considering UC or not.

Circling back to Sibiea, he's apparently deciding between us, Minnesota and UL who he is currently committed to according to Scout. Louisville just picked up a commitment from DE/DT Sheldon Rankins last night. He's supposed to make an official decision on signing day but some UL fans are speculating that his spot may no longer be available.

I read the Rivals update yesterday on Sibeia. He certainly sounds wide open at this point between those three. I'd gladly take him if Louisville is out of room. The last time that happened (McClung) UC came out very well.

According to an article on Scout, Sibeia will be making his decision today.

(01-26-2012 09:21 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 12:14 PM)Marcus Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 11:05 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:29 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 02:06 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Pedro Sibiea might still be looking around.

Sibiea visited Minnesota this past weekend. It sounded like he was strongly considering them after his visit. Not sure if he's re-considering UC or not.

Circling back to Sibiea, he's apparently deciding between us, Minnesota and UL who he is currently committed to according to Scout. Louisville just picked up a commitment from DE/DT Sheldon Rankins last night. He's supposed to make an official decision on signing day but some UL fans are speculating that his spot may no longer be available.

I read the Rivals update yesterday on Sibeia. He certainly sounds wide open at this point between those three. I'd gladly take him if Louisville is out of room. The last time that happened (McClung) UC came out very well.

According to an article on Scout, Sibeia will be making his decision today.

Sibiea has re-confirmed his commitment to Louisville. Looks like Kinsey is our last shot at landing another DL in this class (and I'm not holding my breath).