(10-07-2011 08:19 AM)JunctaJuvant Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 08:11 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 08:47 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 03:56 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Unfortunately, I think we're the only university who whose 'top priority is to remain in the Big East.' The reality is that there probably isn't much that can be done by UC this late in the game.

You don't run around your work place telling everyone to **** off and talk about what a horrible company you work for because you are hoping to get a job offer from a better company. You keep saying that you love your job and the company you work for. Then when an actual offer comes from a better company, you accept that offer and move the hell on, never looking back.

I don't disagree. I guess we've just been extremely quiet in this whole process as compared to most of the other schools, save maybe USF, so it's hard to get a great level of comfort that our leadership has everything under control. I guess at some point down the road we might find out who we were talking to, what expert consultants we hired to assist, what financial deals we tried to make, etc.

Look at the schools that have been quite up until now, Pitt Syracuse and TCU. Then look at who has been makeing lots of noise, UConn Pitino WVU. Which method has worked out up until now?

I agree completely. Everyone disregarded TCU and out of the blue, boom they're in. I feel AD's leak stuff when they're not in contention for invites so they get the public to vouch for them. UC being quiet, while frustrating, is probably for the best.

(10-07-2011 09:22 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  @Rath

The fact is he didn't turn down the "first opportunity".......

I guess it says something about the growth of the program that he waited until his 3rd or 4th opportunity, instead of getting out 1st chance, like Dantonio.

With the ability to pay 2 mil + a year, eventually a coach will stay. The key is finding one worth keeping.

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Who wants to bet that vote ends up 8-6?

good grief...figured they would raise exit fees

now we are stuck in a lame conference run by bball only mafia...swell

I guess as long as WVA, UofL, and co. stay we will be ok

(10-07-2011 11:42 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 09:22 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  @Rath

The fact is he didn't turn down the "first opportunity".......

I guess it says something about the growth of the program that he waited until his 3rd or 4th opportunity, instead of getting out 1st chance, like Dantonio.

With the ability to pay 2 mil + a year, eventually a coach will stay. The key is finding one worth keeping.

UC matched both MSU and ND offers to both those coaches.

With Mizzou SEC bound it only makes sense to add UL, UC, and WVU to get to 12 teams. I just wished the process worked that way.

(10-07-2011 12:16 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 11:42 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 09:22 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  @Rath

The fact is he didn't turn down the "first opportunity".......

I guess it says something about the growth of the program that he waited until his 3rd or 4th opportunity, instead of getting out 1st chance, like Dantonio.

With the ability to pay 2 mil + a year, eventually a coach will stay. The key is finding one worth keeping.

UC matched both MSU and ND offers to both those coaches.

I remember reading that here. UC is never going to be the highest payer or the biggest name, but the program is at a place where it can pay a competitive salary to keep a guy who wants to be here, as with Beamer, Petersen, and Patterson at their gigs. Not every up & coming coach is a BK or RichRod...just most of them.

I still think we are in if Mizzou goes....along with UofL and WVA....we have all been to bcs bowls in past five years and have been ranked.

our recruiting class coming in a really good, and we have a good coaching staff in place. I think we are in....maybe they stagger us coming in...UofL, then WVA, then UC etc.

(10-07-2011 12:07 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  good grief...figured they would raise exit fees

now we are stuck in a lame conference run by bball only mafia...swell

I guess as long as WVA, UofL, and co. stay we will be ok

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the exit fee was waved if the football membership fell below a certain threshold. I would think that if there's another raid, then the whole damn thing falls apart and everybody will go their seperate ways ASAP without penalty.
If I were one of the football schools I would insist that there be a clause that if AQ status is lost, no fee to leave.

(10-07-2011 12:29 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I still think we are in if Mizzou goes....along with UofL and WVA....we have all been to bcs bowls in past five years and have been ranked.

our recruiting class coming in a really good, and we have a good coaching staff in place. I think we are in....maybe they stagger us coming in...UofL, then WVA, then UC etc.

Something tells me they are looking at something different than performance on the field, bowl game appearances, etc. A negative for the Big 12 for Cincy and West Va. and maybe Louisville just may be location. These conferences are getting so spread out that travel is becoming an issue (especially for the non-revenue generating sports). Another negative for UC may be the financial shape the instituion is in. UC is not in good shape to say we are ready to spend alot more on football. While our facilites are top notch for everything other than the revenue-generating sports those for football and baseketball need some upgrades. Where is that money ging to come from?

Texas spent twice as much on football as UC did last year. How is UC going to begin to reduce the difference to be acceptable to the Big 12 schools?

At least we are mentioned on ESPN insider:

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/features/...11007#9026

Cincinnati Big 12-bound?

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Cincinnati Bearcats

TCU may not be the last team to abandon the Big East for the Big 12. Bill Koch of the Cincinnati Enquirer reported last week that "a reliable source" told him the Big 12 was looking at five schools as potential targets for expansion, including the Cincinnati Bearcats. At the time, Koch said that Cincinnati would have a heard time turning down such an invitation.

When news broke that TCU was ditching its Big East plans to join the Big 12, Cincinnati interim athletic director Bob Arkeilpane released a statement saying, essentially, the school was considering its options: "Our top priority is to remain in the Big East Conference. But we are actively assessing the variables in conference realignment even before they come to light."

The statement went on to say why Cincinnati would be an attractive team for any conference.

(10-07-2011 11:28 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Just as much as we need a consistent coach - this university needs a consistent fan/donor base. Great article on espn last night about all the hard work, fan support and increased donor support when TCU didn't make the Big 12 first time around. Their fans came out, even though the conf/opponents were not great and donated at an even higher level to make sure they could put the facilities in place. Worked out wonderfully for them - they get an invite to the BE and now Big 12.

Not everyone has to be a diehard. I would think for a school with over 100,000 alum within a 2 hr radius and a student body of about 35-40k, we could achieve at least 35k showing up. TCU's enrollment is what 8-10k students. Not sure on their alumni numbers. They were able to get it done. I do not understand why Ohio's 2nd largest school, in a major metropolitan area, and with 9 local Fortune 500 companies can't/refuse to get it done.

...and how's TCU's coaching situation? Gary Patterson is there to stay/

(10-07-2011 03:54 PM)bctn8n Wrote:  At least we are mentioned on ESPN insider:

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncf/features/...11007#9026

Cincinnati Big 12-bound?

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Cincinnati Bearcats

TCU may not be the last team to abandon the Big East for the Big 12. Bill Koch of the Cincinnati Enquirer reported last week that "a reliable source" told him the Big 12 was looking at five schools as potential targets for expansion, including the Cincinnati Bearcats. At the time, Koch said that Cincinnati would have a heard time turning down such an invitation.

When news broke that TCU was ditching its Big East plans to join the Big 12, Cincinnati interim athletic director Bob Arkeilpane released a statement saying, essentially, the school was considering its options: "Our top priority is to remain in the Big East Conference. But we are actively assessing the variables in conference realignment even before they come to light."

The statement went on to say why Cincinnati would be an attractive team for any conference.

Bill Koch was just cited as a source for the first time in his career. Congrats Bill. Thank god they didn't call him the 'reliable" one.

Heard Koch on sportstalk on the way home just now. Usual hangdog pessimistic performance. Said we were second tier to get into B12, only real hope was keeping the BE together so we could be in an AQ conference for two more seasons, and some sort of crap about how Xavier will jump on going to the BE as a new team in a basketball only conference after the football schools group goes the way of the dinosaurs. Thanks, Bill.

I don't think geography is the negative factor for the B12 in examining Louisville, UC and WV. That conference has a much smaller footprint than in the past since Colorado and Nebraska are gone. Air travel to these BE markets would be easier than west to Salt Lake or Boise. TCU didn't expand the footprint either so if the B12 goes to 12 again (or 14) geographic expansion will actually be beneficial in terms of expanding television viewership. And our three markets add substantially more households for TV than those in the far west.

If I'm not mistaken, TCU has massive financial support for their athletic programs. I think another part of it that has been stated by the Big XII is that they don't want to have outliers in terms of geography. Louisville's a stretch, but at least they share a common border with Missouri. Cincinnati and WVU are pushing it. I'm assuming that none of these schools add much to the money pie, otherwise they would have been invited by a conference by now.

The truth us Louisville and Cincinnati are urban universities. Not statewide schools. Wv is a small state.

Tv markets while decent aren't got to haves unfortunately.

Best thing for all is to stick together with uconn usf and rutgers. Stabilize that then add navy and air force for football. That's still better than mwc. And should keep you at the aq table.

No one is in a rush to add ecu, ucf, or anyone else. Even Boise may be living off a really good qb and may have a pretty good drop off when he leaves. The big east can always add schools like those.

The basketball has taken a little hit but actually a plus that tcu isn't joining. In fact I wouldn't add an all sport school unless the basketball is improved.

The tv deal can still be decent. Pitt and Syracuse aren't terribly big losses.

Especially if you can get notre dame to at least play the remaining schools every year. Already play service academies. Add 1-2 on rotating basis and share that in each of the two tv deals.

(10-07-2011 05:20 PM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 11:28 AM)bearcatmill Wrote:  Just as much as we need a consistent coach - this university needs a consistent fan/donor base. Great article on espn last night about all the hard work, fan support and increased donor support when TCU didn't make the Big 12 first time around. Their fans came out, even though the conf/opponents were not great and donated at an even higher level to make sure they could put the facilities in place. Worked out wonderfully for them - they get an invite to the BE and now Big 12.

Not everyone has to be a diehard. I would think for a school with over 100,000 alum within a 2 hr radius and a student body of about 35-40k, we could achieve at least 35k showing up. TCU's enrollment is what 8-10k students. Not sure on their alumni numbers. They were able to get it done. I do not understand why Ohio's 2nd largest school, in a major metropolitan area, and with 9 local Fortune 500 companies can't/refuse to get it done.

...and how's TCU's coaching situation? Gary Patterson is there to stay/

You missed the whole point of my post. Its not just a coach staying, its also consistent fan/donor base. This lends itself to keeping and attracting a coach. Coach's want to see butts in the seats and money pouring in whether your playing Akron or LSU or whether they are winning 4 games or going undefeated. If you want to be a big boy your going to have to put on your big boy pants and act like one.

(10-07-2011 05:31 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Heard Koch on sportstalk on the way home just now. Usual hangdog pessimistic performance. Said we were second tier to get into B12, only real hope was keeping the BE together so we could be in an AQ conference for two more seasons, and some sort of crap about how Xavier will jump on going to the BE as a new team in a basketball only conference after the football schools group goes the way of the dinosaurs. Thanks, Bill.

That's because he knows he can't compete with other B12 beat reporters. Plus, he has had a fear of Mike Gundy for the past few years.