There is no law demanding that the football fans disappear if we get left behind in this year's conference shake up.

that doesn't mean that it won't happen anyway.

this is cincinnati. fairer fair weather fans can't be found.

Assuming the Big 12 still wants 12 teams, Cincinnati is most likely in the same situation they were in before TCU got the invite. I don't see the chances going up or down. BYU, UL and Cincinnati make the most sense for the Big 12...

(10-06-2011 10:27 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Assuming the Big 12 still wants 12 teams, Cincinnati is most likely in the same situation they were in before TCU got the invite. I don't see the chances going up or down. BYU, UL and Cincinnati make the most sense for the Big 12...

They make the most sense from our point of view, but do they make the most sense from the Big 12's point of view?

If West Virginia doesn't go to the SEC, then maybe their more well-known brand trumps ours. Hopefully not, but ....

obviously we want a B12 invite at this point....

but if this isn't in the cards for us this wouldn't be too bad:
UC
UCONN
RU
USF
ECU
UCF
Navy
AF
Temple

(assuming UofL and WVA are gone)

I would certainly take this over going to CUSA....

(10-06-2011 09:11 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Buy tickets, go to games, put academics before athletics, show your pride, treat visiting fans like your guests, and move the razors away from your wrists please. Let the landscape of college sports shift and shudder, I'll support my alma mater, regardless of conference affiliation.

x2....football has the 1200 club, I remember seeing something about basketball starting one and I would like to join to support the team. I think its a problem if I have to ask people on a message board the name in order to sign up. Maybe UCATS should do a better job marketing the programs.

(10-06-2011 06:10 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not getting the warm n' fuzzy that they give a flip about research. But I agree 100%.

I used to think that too. Now... pretty obvious they don't.

(10-06-2011 08:47 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 03:56 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Unfortunately, I think we're the only university who whose 'top priority is to remain in the Big East.' The reality is that there probably isn't much that can be done by UC this late in the game.

You don't run around your work place telling everyone to **** off and talk about what a horrible company you work for because you are hoping to get a job offer from a better company. You keep saying that you love your job and the company you work for. Then when an actual offer comes from a better company, you accept that offer and move the hell on, never looking back.

I don't disagree. I guess we've just been extremely quiet in this whole process as compared to most of the other schools, save maybe USF, so it's hard to get a great level of comfort that our leadership has everything under control. I guess at some point down the road we might find out who we were talking to, what expert consultants we hired to assist, what financial deals we tried to make, etc.

(10-06-2011 05:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  About to head into the bearcatspause zone.

This goes sideways like it looks, wanna blame someone, blame the fans who dressed like empty seats since 2005 and who don't reach in those jeans and pull out dem greens. UL is infinitely more attractive than UC. Facilities, butts in seats, and full arsed coffers.

Won't hear me cry too much. We made our own bed. Sucks, but there it is.

Yeah. The fact that we haven't sold out the Big East's smallest stadium once since the final game of 2009 is telling. Can't blame that one on an administrator.

To our fans, rebuilding means: "I'm taking a nap, call me when you guys get this winning thing straightened out."

Then we wonder why corporate sponsors aren't lining up at our door.

(10-07-2011 08:11 AM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 08:47 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 03:56 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Unfortunately, I think we're the only university who whose 'top priority is to remain in the Big East.' The reality is that there probably isn't much that can be done by UC this late in the game.

You don't run around your work place telling everyone to **** off and talk about what a horrible company you work for because you are hoping to get a job offer from a better company. You keep saying that you love your job and the company you work for. Then when an actual offer comes from a better company, you accept that offer and move the hell on, never looking back.

I don't disagree. I guess we've just been extremely quiet in this whole process as compared to most of the other schools, save maybe USF, so it's hard to get a great level of comfort that our leadership has everything under control. I guess at some point down the road we might find out who we were talking to, what expert consultants we hired to assist, what financial deals we tried to make, etc.

Look at the schools that have been quite up until now, Pitt Syracuse and TCU. Then look at who has been makeing lots of noise, UConn Pitino WVU. Which method has worked out up until now?

(10-07-2011 08:19 AM)WarningSigns Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 05:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  About to head into the bearcatspause zone.

This goes sideways like it looks, wanna blame someone, blame the fans who dressed like empty seats since 2005 and who don't reach in those jeans and pull out dem greens. UL is infinitely more attractive than UC. Facilities, butts in seats, and full arsed coffers.

Won't hear me cry too much. We made our own bed. Sucks, but there it is.

Yeah. The fact that we haven't sold out the Big East's smallest stadium once since the final game of 2009 is telling. Can't blame that one on an administrator.

To our fans, rebuilding means: "I'm taking a nap, call me when you guys get this winning thing straightened out."

Then we wonder why corporate sponsors aren't lining up at our door.

I get what you guys are saying, but I really think the coaching situation is what soured most people. After seeing yet another coach jump ship ship for "greener" pastures, that was very deflating to the hype that the program had built. The only way to build a consistent fan base is to have consistency. Players come and go, but until UC is able to keep a good coach in place for more than 3 years or so, there will be no consistent fan base. Being in the big 12 would help that situation, staying in remodeled Big East will keep this occurrence as the norm at UC. BK became the face of a football revolution at UC and got the city very excited, then bolted at first opportunity, if UC stays in the Big East don't think for a second that CBJ wouldn't do the same thing.

Demanding that every fan be a die hard fan is a pipe dream. This program needs consistency at the head coaching position to establish a winning PROGRAM not just a winning team.

I guess I'm not as concerned about being quiet vs. not. That in itself doesn't accomplish anything. I just hope we've been doing the right things, and hopefully not just within the last couple of months. Talks of realignment have been swirling around for a couple of years now so hopefully we've been 'engaged' in this process since then, not when it became clear the Big East was on the brink of destruction.

(10-06-2011 09:11 PM)glacier_dropsy Wrote:  Buy tickets, go to games, put academics before athletics, show your pride, treat visiting fans like your guests, and move the razors away from your wrists please. Let the landscape of college sports shift and shudder, I'll support my alma mater, regardless of conference affiliation.

AMEN! The situation no doubt sucks, but we are still Bearcats!

(10-07-2011 08:32 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 08:19 AM)WarningSigns Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 05:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  About to head into the bearcatspause zone.

This goes sideways like it looks, wanna blame someone, blame the fans who dressed like empty seats since 2005 and who don't reach in those jeans and pull out dem greens. UL is infinitely more attractive than UC. Facilities, butts in seats, and full arsed coffers.

Won't hear me cry too much. We made our own bed. Sucks, but there it is.

Yeah. The fact that we haven't sold out the Big East's smallest stadium once since the final game of 2009 is telling. Can't blame that one on an administrator.

To our fans, rebuilding means: "I'm taking a nap, call me when you guys get this winning thing straightened out."

Then we wonder why corporate sponsors aren't lining up at our door.

I get what you guys are saying, but I really think the coaching situation is what soured most people. After seeing yet another coach jump ship ship for "greener" pastures, that was very deflating to the hype that the program had built. The only way to build a consistent fan base is to have consistency. Players come and go, but until UC is able to keep a good coach in place for more than 3 years or so, there will be no consistent fan base. Being in the big 12 would help that situation, staying in remodeled Big East will keep this occurrence as the norm at UC. BK became the face of a football revolution at UC and got the city very excited, then bolted at first opportunity, if UC stays in the Big East don't think for a second that CBJ wouldn't do the same thing.

Demanding that every fan be a die hard fan is a pipe dream. This program needs consistency at the head coaching position to establish a winning PROGRAM not just a winning team.

BK did not bolt at the "first opportunity"....he had turned down to talk to Nebraska, UCLA, and one other "bigger" program. Notre Dame was his life long boy hood dream, he's catholic, and I don't blame him for taking that job...boyhood dreams are something that are worth a lot to most people.
Was I sad to see him go...for sure but it's not like he left UC for say, UK or Illinois, Maryland, etc.

Don't kid yourself. BK was a 20 buck lady of the night looking for a John from the minute he showed up to campus.

@Rath

The fact is he didn't turn down the "first opportunity".......

The fact that according to the AD he wore a Tennessee tie when he interviewed for the gig while the 2008 regular season was still underway says everthing needed to say on the topic.

Doesn't really matter whether it was his first opportunity or not.

As long as we expect these "for hire" coaches to commit to our program in precedence of our own alumni and fans, we're gonna be right here.

(10-07-2011 08:32 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 08:19 AM)WarningSigns Wrote:  

(10-06-2011 05:31 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  About to head into the bearcatspause zone.

This goes sideways like it looks, wanna blame someone, blame the fans who dressed like empty seats since 2005 and who don't reach in those jeans and pull out dem greens. UL is infinitely more attractive than UC. Facilities, butts in seats, and full arsed coffers.

Won't hear me cry too much. We made our own bed. Sucks, but there it is.

Yeah. The fact that we haven't sold out the Big East's smallest stadium once since the final game of 2009 is telling. Can't blame that one on an administrator.

To our fans, rebuilding means: "I'm taking a nap, call me when you guys get this winning thing straightened out."

Then we wonder why corporate sponsors aren't lining up at our door.

I get what you guys are saying, but I really think the coaching situation is what soured most people. After seeing yet another coach jump ship ship for "greener" pastures, that was very deflating to the hype that the program had built. The only way to build a consistent fan base is to have consistency. Players come and go, but until UC is able to keep a good coach in place for more than 3 years or so, there will be no consistent fan base. Being in the big 12 would help that situation, staying in remodeled Big East will keep this occurrence as the norm at UC. BK became the face of a football revolution at UC and got the city very excited, then bolted at first opportunity, if UC stays in the Big East don't think for a second that CBJ wouldn't do the same thing.

Demanding that every fan be a die hard fan is a pipe dream. This program needs consistency at the head coaching position to establish a winning PROGRAM not just a winning team.

Just as much as we need a consistent coach - this university needs a consistent fan/donor base. Great article on espn last night about all the hard work, fan support and increased donor support when TCU didn't make the Big 12 first time around. Their fans came out, even though the conf/opponents were not great and donated at an even higher level to make sure they could put the facilities in place. Worked out wonderfully for them - they get an invite to the BE and now Big 12.

Not everyone has to be a diehard. I would think for a school with over 100,000 alum within a 2 hr radius and a student body of about 35-40k, we could achieve at least 35k showing up. TCU's enrollment is what 8-10k students. Not sure on their alumni numbers. They were able to get it done. I do not understand why Ohio's 2nd largest school, in a major metropolitan area, and with 9 local Fortune 500 companies can't/refuse to get it done.

(10-07-2011 09:35 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The fact that according to the AD he wore a Tennessee tie when he interviewed for the gig while the 2008 regular season was still underway says everthing needed to say on the topic.

Maybe I'm naive, but I would've fired his ass on the spot.