(09-07-2011 01:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My updated guess as of this moment.

WVU is going to get in the SEC simply because there is no way to add Mizzou without changing the divisions and messing up rivalries.

They could easily make Missouri an eastern team without a problem. They probably would prefer it, vying with Tenn and Kentucky.. Latitude wise, they are closer to a lot of the east.

I would say Missouri is a far superior choice to W Va, with the only downside is perhaps W Va brings some upper east coast media exposure (although I doubt it).

(09-07-2011 05:48 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:33 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What is Baylor's legal cause for action? Loss of revenue?

I'm sorry but Baylor comes off looking like a brat in this. Everyone else is talking about taking their ball and playing elsewhere and Baylor is the kid screaming "Not fair! I'm telling!"

No, Baylor is protecting their own interest. If they DON'T threaten to sue, the SEC might take Mizzou, thus triggering the mass exodus, and Baylor might be without a home. It is probable that Baylor's threat will be withdrawn if the SEC leaves Mizzou and the remainder of the Big XII stays put.

I understand why they're threatening to sue, but legally what is the backing of the proposed suit? TAMU is not breaking any rules by going to another conference, so what is their claim? The fact that TAMU is a more desirable program than them and it sucks that another conference wants them and it may ultimately result in Baylor having join a non-AQ conference?

Unless I'm missing something, or don't understand how these legal precedings work, it seems the judge would just tell Baylor tough luck...

Arkstfan I'm sure can tell us the history, but, didn't Baylor use some strongarm political leverage to get in when the Big Twelve was formed? Wasn't the tx gov a baylor grad at that time while the current gov is not (txa&m, iirc).

Yep. Ann Richards, Baylor grad, was governor at the time and made sure they got taken care of.

(09-06-2011 11:09 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I don't believe there is one vote for Ga Southern in the Belt as it stands today.

Rumor mill says SEC looking at WVU and Mizzou. Looks like I didn't give the Mountaineers enough credit.

While it would make me happy i'm 100% sure that the idiot who wrote this article pulled that info out of their butt.

(09-07-2011 03:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  [quote='Vobserver' pid='6792867' dateline='1315427628']
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I understand why they're threatening to sue, but legally what is the backing of the proposed suit? TAMU is not breaking any rules by going to another conference, so what is their claim? The fact that TAMU is a more desirable program than them and it sucks that another conference wants them and it may ultimately result in Baylor having join a non-AQ conference?

Unless I'm missing something, or don't understand how these legal precedings work, it seems the judge would just tell Baylor tough luck...

It depends on the nature of Baylor's relationship with TAMU. If the conference had some type of contract with each other, then Baylor could have a breach of contract action. They may also have an action in promissory estoppel where Baylor reasonably relied on the commitment from TAMU to form their television contract and if TAMU would leave it would be to their detriment.

Their claim against the SEC could be tortious interference with a business relationship. Therefore, if it went to court, which it wouldn't, and Baylor was allowed to discover evidence, things could get really ugly. They would likely be allowed to depose Mike Slive, SEC AD's and Presidents and if any of them had communication with TAMU before they withdrew from the Big 12 it would only strengthen their case.

(09-08-2011 04:39 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 05:48 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:33 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What is Baylor's legal cause for action? Loss of revenue?

I'm sorry but Baylor comes off looking like a brat in this. Everyone else is talking about taking their ball and playing elsewhere and Baylor is the kid screaming "Not fair! I'm telling!"

No, Baylor is protecting their own interest. If they DON'T threaten to sue, the SEC might take Mizzou, thus triggering the mass exodus, and Baylor might be without a home. It is probable that Baylor's threat will be withdrawn if the SEC leaves Mizzou and the remainder of the Big XII stays put.

I understand why they're threatening to sue, but legally what is the backing of the proposed suit? TAMU is not breaking any rules by going to another conference, so what is their claim? The fact that TAMU is a more desirable program than them and it sucks that another conference wants them and it may ultimately result in Baylor having join a non-AQ conference?

Unless I'm missing something, or don't understand how these legal precedings work, it seems the judge would just tell Baylor tough luck...

Arkstfan I'm sure can tell us the history, but, didn't Baylor use some strongarm political leverage to get in when the Big Twelve was formed? Wasn't the tx gov a baylor grad at that time while the current gov is not (txa&m, iirc).

Yep. Ann Richards, Baylor grad, was governor at the time and made sure they got taken care of.

She is credited by some, but Bob Bullock, another legendary Texas politician had the legislative muscle and used it.

(09-07-2011 03:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:33 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What is Baylor's legal cause for action? Loss of revenue?

I'm sorry but Baylor comes off looking like a brat in this. Everyone else is talking about taking their ball and playing elsewhere and Baylor is the kid screaming "Not fair! I'm telling!"

No, Baylor is protecting their own interest. If they DON'T threaten to sue, the SEC might take Mizzou, thus triggering the mass exodus, and Baylor might be without a home. It is probable that Baylor's threat will be withdrawn if the SEC leaves Mizzou and the remainder of the Big XII stays put.

I understand why they're threatening to sue, but legally what is the backing of the proposed suit? TAMU is not breaking any rules by going to another conference, so what is their claim? The fact that TAMU is a more desirable program than them and it sucks that another conference wants them and it may ultimately result in Baylor having join a non-AQ conference?

Unless I'm missing something, or don't understand how these legal precedings work, it seems the judge would just tell Baylor tough luck...

I've heard it said that since Baylor is private, they can be used by Texas/the rest of the Big 12(9?) make the legal threats that perhaps public universities (at least in the same state) cannot.

If the Big 12 is desperate for time to work things out to survive, then perhaps even a bogus Baylor lawsuit threat could buy them some that precious time.

who knows how this will all pan out with so many options. But I think once one conference gets to 16, the others will jump to claim their 16 right away and the Super Conferences will be done!

the most sense would be and
Northeast
South East
Midwest
Pacific

but with teams trying to get the best it could be chaotic and all over the map.

(09-08-2011 08:05 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  I've heard it said that since Baylor is private, they can be used by Texas/the rest of the Big 12(9?) make the legal threats that perhaps public universities (at least in the same state) cannot.

If the Big 12 is desperate for time to work things out to survive, then perhaps even a bogus Baylor lawsuit threat could buy them some that precious time.

You can bet that UT is the wizard behind the curtains WRT Baylor! And Baylor folks probably see the writing on the wall WRT remaining in an AQ conference. If the Big 12 goes away, their chances are slim they remain AQ. So, they are probably a willing front for UT in the effort to save the Big 12.

Keeping the Big XII alive after defections not so crazy


Should the invites not come, especially from the automatic-qualifying conferences, perhaps the Big 12 can survive as a watered-down, yet more geographically concentrated union. Maybe Baylor and Iowa State emerge from the wreckage as the surviving anchors in a sort of Big 12-SWC mash-up stretching into Louisiana, New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Try this lineup for size: Baylor, Iowa State, TCU, SMU, North Texas, Houston, Rice, UT El Paso, Louisiana Tech, Tulane, Tulsa and New Mexico State. Soon-to-be FBS members UT San Antonio and Texas State are possible wild cards.

While this collection might not exactly be TV sexy, it's a league that will have automatic-qualifying status through 2014 (length of the BCS contract) barring any change in the BCS bylaws.

READ MORE
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/07/...tions.html

(09-08-2011 11:58 AM)MG61 Wrote:  Keeping the Big XII alive after defections not so crazy


Should the invites not come, especially from the automatic-qualifying conferences, perhaps the Big 12 can survive as a watered-down, yet more geographically concentrated union. Maybe Baylor and Iowa State emerge from the wreckage as the surviving anchors in a sort of Big 12-SWC mash-up stretching into Louisiana, New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Try this lineup for size: Baylor, Iowa State, TCU, SMU, North Texas, Houston, Rice, UT El Paso, Louisiana Tech, Tulane, Tulsa and New Mexico State. Soon-to-be FBS members UT San Antonio and Texas State are possible wild cards.

While this collection might not exactly be TV sexy, it's a league that will have automatic-qualifying status through 2014 (length of the BCS contract) barring any change in the BCS bylaws.

READ MORE
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/07/...tions.html

Now, I know that you could never support this lineup when there is even a slight chance that it would include a couple of FBS wannabes.


You were just posting that for informational purposes only. Right?

(09-08-2011 11:58 AM)MG61 Wrote:  Keeping the Big XII alive after defections not so crazy


Should the invites not come, especially from the automatic-qualifying conferences, perhaps the Big 12 can survive as a watered-down, yet more geographically concentrated union. Maybe Baylor and Iowa State emerge from the wreckage as the surviving anchors in a sort of Big 12-SWC mash-up stretching into Louisiana, New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Try this lineup for size: Baylor, Iowa State, TCU, SMU, North Texas, Houston, Rice, UT El Paso, Louisiana Tech, Tulane, Tulsa and New Mexico State. Soon-to-be FBS members UT San Antonio and Texas State are possible wild cards.

While this collection might not exactly be TV sexy, it's a league that will have automatic-qualifying status through 2014 (length of the BCS contract) barring any change in the BCS bylaws.

READ MORE
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/07/...tions.html

That is a nice lineup. Would Utah State be a candidate if expansion to 16. What happens to the CUSA EAST teams?

(09-08-2011 12:13 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(09-08-2011 11:58 AM)MG61 Wrote:  Keeping the Big XII alive after defections not so crazy


Should the invites not come, especially from the automatic-qualifying conferences, perhaps the Big 12 can survive as a watered-down, yet more geographically concentrated union. Maybe Baylor and Iowa State emerge from the wreckage as the surviving anchors in a sort of Big 12-SWC mash-up stretching into Louisiana, New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Try this lineup for size: Baylor, Iowa State, TCU, SMU, North Texas, Houston, Rice, UT El Paso, Louisiana Tech, Tulane, Tulsa and New Mexico State. Soon-to-be FBS members UT San Antonio and Texas State are possible wild cards.

While this collection might not exactly be TV sexy, it's a league that will have automatic-qualifying status through 2014 (length of the BCS contract) barring any change in the BCS bylaws.

READ MORE
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/09/07/...tions.html

That is a nice lineup. Would Utah State be a candidate if expansion to 16. What happens to the CUSA EAST teams?

Doubt if Utah State would have any consideration. CUSA East ? Who knows. This is just a sports writer take on the Big XII soap opera.