(09-06-2011 08:46 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  fwiw, this appeared in an article in the georgia southern student paper:

Quote:...Georgia Southern has been told by the Sun Belt conference that it would be a good fit for that FBS conference...

I don't believe there is one vote for Ga Southern in the Belt as it stands today.

Rumor mill says SEC looking at WVU and Mizzou. Looks like I didn't give the Mountaineers enough credit.

Did ayome else notice that UTSA had 56,000 people at its first game, against a nobody? That both surprised and impressed me.

(09-06-2011 11:37 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Did ayome else notice that UTSA had 56,000 people at its first game, against a nobody? That both surprised and impressed me.

It shouldn't surprise you. It's Texas; it's football [sorta]; it's a novelty; UT was idle and Converse-Judson plays on Friday.

(09-07-2011 07:12 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(09-06-2011 11:37 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Did ayome else notice that UTSA had 56,000 people at its first game, against a nobody? That both surprised and impressed me.

It shouldn't surprise you. It's Texas; it's football [sorta]; it's a novelty; UT was idle and Converse-Judson plays on Friday.

UT played Rice in Austin later in the day.

(09-06-2011 10:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  http://www.arkst.com/?p=1349

Texas to the PAC(however many)? Big hurdles.

In the previous conversations, the PAC refused to budge on equal revenue sharing and UT refused to budge on their insistence on having a bigger piece of the pie than anyone else. And that was before the Longhorn Network got going. Scott commissioner of PAC recently reiterated that the PAC was inflexible on this topic.

Will UT give? I doubt it.

Texas to go independent. That sinks TxTech's ship, but UT doesn't care about the effect they have on anyone else.

See Sherrington's column in today's Dallas Morning News for a more thorough description.

(09-06-2011 11:37 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Did ayome else notice that UTSA had 56,000 people at its first game, against a nobody? That both surprised and impressed me.

Giveaways,

Is WV close enough to bring the DC market? Looks about the same distance as VT, who you always hear will bring the DC market.

Jason

(09-07-2011 07:12 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(09-06-2011 11:37 PM)BMarkey Wrote:  Did ayome else notice that UTSA had 56,000 people at its first game, against a nobody? That both surprised and impressed me.

It shouldn't surprise you. It's Texas; it's football [sorta]; it's a novelty; UT was idle and Converse-Judson plays on Friday.

Funny you mention Judson. They do pull in good crowds for high school. Not sure why folks are surprised about the attendance. Like you said, Texas is a football state first and foremost. The school and the city have been hyping this game for quite a while, and they had their sights set on breaking the "record" for 1st game attendance. The students really came out and supported it well, and honestly there weren't that many "give-aways" as mentioned by another poster. I attended with my kids and son-in-law; 2 of which are UTSA grads. Great atmosphere. Only thing I didn't like was the tailgating; but only from the stand point that it was spread out so much you really couldn't take it all in. But, that is the nature of a downtown stadium. Look for them to have between 30-35K for this weekend's game (which is capacity for the lower dome sections). Give credit where credit is due.

(09-07-2011 08:41 AM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(09-06-2011 10:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  http://www.arkst.com/?p=1349

Texas to the PAC(however many)? Big hurdles.

In the previous conversations, the PAC refused to budge on equal revenue sharing and UT refused to budge on their insistence on having a bigger piece of the pie than anyone else. And that was before the Longhorn Network got going. Scott commissioner of PAC recently reiterated that the PAC was inflexible on this topic.

Will UT give? I doubt it.

Texas to go independent. That sinks TxTech's ship, but UT doesn't care about the effect they have on anyone else.

See Sherrington's column in today's Dallas Morning News for a more thorough description.

Pay wall

(09-07-2011 08:41 AM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(09-06-2011 10:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  http://www.arkst.com/?p=1349

Texas to the PAC(however many)? Big hurdles.

In the previous conversations, the PAC refused to budge on equal revenue sharing and UT refused to budge on their insistence on having a bigger piece of the pie than anyone else. And that was before the Longhorn Network got going. Scott commissioner of PAC recently reiterated that the PAC was inflexible on this topic.

Will UT give? I doubt it.

Texas to go independent. That sinks TxTech's ship, but UT doesn't care about the effect they have on anyone else.

See Sherrington's column in today's Dallas Morning News for a more thorough description.

Actually UT going independent probably stops the bleeding. OU, OSU, TTU, Mizzou, KU, KSU, ISU and Baylor can survive and thrive as an AQ conference. Add any 1, 2 or 4 FBS schools in or near their footprint and they are good to go.

In this scenario, look for CSU to get a lot of attention, along with overtures to Arkansas [which will be ignored, but they will be made], and possibly even New Mexico and NMSU. Schools in current Big XII states will be far down the list. OU and OSU don't want Tulsa in an AQ conference, Baylor and TTU will oppose TCU, SMU, Rice, Houston, UNT and others in Texas.

Texas ain't going Independent, though, without the Notre Dame treatment by the BCS. I don't think they will get it.

(09-07-2011 12:38 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  Actually UT going independent probably stops the bleeding. OU, OSU, TTU, Mizzou, KU, KSU, ISU and Baylor can survive and thrive as an AQ conference. Add any 1, 2 or 4 FBS schools in or near their footprint and they are good to go.

In this scenario, look for CSU to get a lot of attention, along with overtures to Arkansas [which will be ignored, but they will be made], and possibly even New Mexico and NMSU. Schools in current Big XII states will be far down the list. OU and OSU don't want Tulsa in an AQ conference, Baylor and TTU will oppose TCU, SMU, Rice, Houston, UNT and others in Texas.

Texas ain't going Independent, though, without the Notre Dame treatment by the BCS. I don't think they will get it.

I'll bite.


I think it would be harder than it would appear for the B12 remnants to survive AND thrive without UT.

...BUT, if they were to give it a go, I would think priority#1 would be to keep their BCS ranking as high as possible. Priority#2 would be to bring in the football programs with the largest fanbases as possible.

Therefore, if I were them, Boise State, TCU, BYU and Air Force would be on my wish list.

My updated guess as of this moment.

WVU is going to get in the SEC simply because there is no way to add Mizzou without changing the divisions and messing up rivalries.

OU said a couple weeks ago they could survive losing TAMU but not TAMU and Mizzou. If Mizzou is in, OU may back off the Pac-12. T.Boone said that if TCU is added the Big XII has a chance and Boren said that if he thought the Big XII could get back to 12 it becomes viable.

So Texas swallows its pride, TCU gets in. Big East is now at seven at this point, Louisville and either Cincinnati or Pitt becomes viable as Big XII targets because the Big East at 7 has to take weaker programs in order to survive which could cost them the AQ slot. Louisville and whoever come dragging in.

Now very slim chance a five team Big East can add any combination that locks them into the AQ but that won't stop them from trying. If they do hell breaks loose assuming that any candidate can get the votes from the basketball schools who now hold an 8-5 majority.

(09-07-2011 01:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My updated guess as of this moment.

WVU is going to get in the SEC simply because there is no way to add Mizzou without changing the divisions and messing up rivalries.

I've thought WVU was the best choice all along.

They have a rabid football fanbase that will only increase with SEC affiliation and they are two years removed from the Final Four. They don't do much for TV, but they do carry pretty much their entire state and have a presence in Pittsburgh.

(09-07-2011 01:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  My updated guess as of this moment.

WVU is going to get in the SEC simply because there is no way to add Mizzou without changing the divisions and messing up rivalries.

OU said a couple weeks ago they could survive losing TAMU but not TAMU and Mizzou. If Mizzou is in, OU may back off the Pac-12. T.Boone said that if TCU is added the Big XII has a chance and Boren said that if he thought the Big XII could get back to 12 it becomes viable.

So Texas swallows its pride, TCU gets in. Big East is now at seven at this point, Louisville and either Cincinnati or Pitt becomes viable as Big XII targets because the Big East at 7 has to take weaker programs in order to survive which could cost them the AQ slot. Louisville and whoever come dragging in.

Now very slim chance a five team Big East can add any combination that locks them into the AQ but that won't stop them from trying. If they do hell breaks loose assuming that any candidate can get the votes from the basketball schools who now hold an 8-5 majority.

Source says Big-12 has been in conference call for the last 2 hours.


Let's see....


Rumors swirl, SEC going to invite Mizzou.

Rumors swirl, Baylor going to sue.

Rumors swirl, SEC going to invite WVU instead.

Big-12 now in conference call.


Hmmmmmm....Is it possible? Baylor saves the Big-12?

I think the only way Beebe saves the Big XII is if finds a way to mimic the Pac-12 third tier deal, gets TCU in and gets two more.

What is Baylor's legal cause for action? Loss of revenue?

I'm sorry but Baylor comes off looking like a brat in this. Everyone else is talking about taking their ball and playing elsewhere and Baylor is the kid screaming "Not fair! I'm telling!"

(09-07-2011 03:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What is Baylor's legal cause for action? Loss of revenue?

I'm sorry but Baylor comes off looking like a brat in this. Everyone else is talking about taking their ball and playing elsewhere and Baylor is the kid screaming "Not fair! I'm telling!"

No, Baylor is protecting their own interest. If they DON'T threaten to sue, the SEC might take Mizzou, thus triggering the mass exodus, and Baylor might be without a home. It is probable that Baylor's threat will be withdrawn if the SEC leaves Mizzou and the remainder of the Big XII stays put.

(09-07-2011 03:33 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What is Baylor's legal cause for action? Loss of revenue?

I'm sorry but Baylor comes off looking like a brat in this. Everyone else is talking about taking their ball and playing elsewhere and Baylor is the kid screaming "Not fair! I'm telling!"

No, Baylor is protecting their own interest. If they DON'T threaten to sue, the SEC might take Mizzou, thus triggering the mass exodus, and Baylor might be without a home. It is probable that Baylor's threat will be withdrawn if the SEC leaves Mizzou and the remainder of the Big XII stays put.

I understand why they're threatening to sue, but legally what is the backing of the proposed suit? TAMU is not breaking any rules by going to another conference, so what is their claim? The fact that TAMU is a more desirable program than them and it sucks that another conference wants them and it may ultimately result in Baylor having join a non-AQ conference?

Unless I'm missing something, or don't understand how these legal precedings work, it seems the judge would just tell Baylor tough luck...

(09-07-2011 03:53 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:33 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:06 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  What is Baylor's legal cause for action? Loss of revenue?

I'm sorry but Baylor comes off looking like a brat in this. Everyone else is talking about taking their ball and playing elsewhere and Baylor is the kid screaming "Not fair! I'm telling!"

No, Baylor is protecting their own interest. If they DON'T threaten to sue, the SEC might take Mizzou, thus triggering the mass exodus, and Baylor might be without a home. It is probable that Baylor's threat will be withdrawn if the SEC leaves Mizzou and the remainder of the Big XII stays put.

I understand why they're threatening to sue, but legally what is the backing of the proposed suit? TAMU is not breaking any rules by going to another conference, so what is their claim? The fact that TAMU is a more desirable program than them and it sucks that another conference wants them and it may ultimately result in Baylor having join a non-AQ conference?

Unless I'm missing something, or don't understand how these legal precedings work, it seems the judge would just tell Baylor tough luck...

Arkstfan I'm sure can tell us the history, but, didn't Baylor use some strongarm political leverage to get in when the Big Twelve was formed? Wasn't the tx gov a baylor grad at that time while the current gov is not (txa&m, iirc).