(08-05-2011 10:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Another failed Obabba gov't experiment, highly subsidized by taxpayer money.

Just give it time Obama will print more money and start adding these to the government fleet pool...

Laugh now, but when Barry's fuel ecomony MANDATES are in full effect the Volt will be a luxury sedan. 54.5mpg is the new fleet standard in 2025. Thanks Barry!!!

(08-05-2011 11:02 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:58 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Another failed Obabba gov't experiment, highly subsidized by taxpayer money.

Keep it up with the ignorant comments. You know NOTHING about the Volt or when it was thought of/designed and planned for the market. Here's a hint-it was LONG before the bailout.

What do you care? You can't afford either one.

I care that he spits out lies and misinformation about something has no clue about.

(08-05-2011 11:09 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Another failed Obabba gov't experiment, highly subsidized by taxpayer money.

Just give it time Obama will print more money and start adding these to the government fleet pool...

As I said, this is why his lies and misinformation matter. THe ignorance of the tea bagging masses spreads like a STD.

(08-05-2011 11:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:02 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:58 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Another failed Obabba gov't experiment, highly subsidized by taxpayer money.

Keep it up with the ignorant comments. You know NOTHING about the Volt or when it was thought of/designed and planned for the market. Here's a hint-it was LONG before the bailout.

What do you care? You can't afford either one.

I care that he spits out lies and misinformation about something has no clue about.

What you are failing to grasp is that the Volt in and of itself may not be a bad product for certain consumers. The problem is the vehicle is grossly overpriced for what you can get out of it. On top of that, the gov't is subsidizing each car by $7500 each. If you could get this car for $25K (unsubsidized) or less, I think it would sell a lot better.

I do not agree that the Chevy Volt is a green car. All you are doing is trading CO2 emissions from burning gasoline for CO2 emissions from power plants that use fossil fuels. Now if the country can draw the majority of its power from nuclear, wind, solar, biomass and tidal energy power plants, then it would be green. Until then, the Chevy Volt pollutes every bit as much as most of the other cars currently on the road.

(08-05-2011 11:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:02 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:58 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Another failed Obabba gov't experiment, highly subsidized by taxpayer money.

Keep it up with the ignorant comments. You know NOTHING about the Volt or when it was thought of/designed and planned for the market. Here's a hint-it was LONG before the bailout.

What do you care? You can't afford either one.

I care that he spits out lies and misinformation about something has no clue about.

Look in the mirror. It is you who is clueless.

(08-05-2011 11:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I do not agree that the Chevy Volt is a green car. All you are doing is trading CO2 emissions from burning gasoline for CO2 emissions from power plants that use fossil fuels. Now if the country can draw the majority of its power from nuclear, wind, solar, biomass and tidal energy power plants, then it would be green. Until then, the Chevy Volt pollutes every bit as much as most of the other cars currently on the road.

And add to this that a truly responsible Greenie would purchase a used vehicle, instead of a new vehicle.

By purchasing used, you could say that your above notes are not an issue to the buyer.

(08-05-2011 10:18 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  The new Huyndai Elantras get up to 40 mpg highway and cost under $20K. Without running the numbers, I think it would be along time before you'd break even on fuel cost savings after spending an extra $20K+ on a Volt.

A 17 mpg car will require about 700 gallons of gas per year to go 12,000 miles. That's around $2500 per year in gasoline costs. A car that runs 40 mpg would cost less than $1000 for the same mileage. Disregarding energy cost of the volt, you can do the math.

(08-05-2011 11:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:02 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:58 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Another failed Obabba gov't experiment, highly subsidized by taxpayer money.

Keep it up with the ignorant comments. You know NOTHING about the Volt or when it was thought of/designed and planned for the market. Here's a hint-it was LONG before the bailout.

What do you care? You can't afford either one.

I care that he spits out lies and misinformation about something has no clue about.

What you are failing to grasp is that the Volt in and of itself may not be a bad product for certain consumers. The problem is the vehicle is grossly overpriced for what you can get out of it. On top of that, the gov't is subsidizing each car by $7500 each. If you could get this car for $25K (unsubsidized) or less, I think it would sell a lot better.

I do not agree that the Chevy Volt is a green car. All you are doing is trading CO2 emissions from burning gasoline for CO2 emissions from power plants that use fossil fuels. Now if the country can draw the majority of its power from nuclear, wind, solar, biomass and tidal energy power plants, then it would be green. Until then, the Chevy Volt pollutes every bit as much as most of the other cars currently on the road.

Try reading my earlier post again. I said it isn't selling very well because it costs too much. I am not missing anything.

(08-05-2011 11:52 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:02 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:58 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Keep it up with the ignorant comments. You know NOTHING about the Volt or when it was thought of/designed and planned for the market. Here's a hint-it was LONG before the bailout.

What do you care? You can't afford either one.

I care that he spits out lies and misinformation about something has no clue about.

What you are failing to grasp is that the Volt in and of itself may not be a bad product for certain consumers. The problem is the vehicle is grossly overpriced for what you can get out of it. On top of that, the gov't is subsidizing each car by $7500 each. If you could get this car for $25K (unsubsidized) or less, I think it would sell a lot better.

I do not agree that the Chevy Volt is a green car. All you are doing is trading CO2 emissions from burning gasoline for CO2 emissions from power plants that use fossil fuels. Now if the country can draw the majority of its power from nuclear, wind, solar, biomass and tidal energy power plants, then it would be green. Until then, the Chevy Volt pollutes every bit as much as most of the other cars currently on the road.

Try reading my earlier post again. I said it isn't selling very well because it costs too much. I am not missing anything.

So you admit it is a failure. Clueless.

(08-05-2011 11:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:02 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:58 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:31 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Another failed Obabba gov't experiment, highly subsidized by taxpayer money.

Keep it up with the ignorant comments. You know NOTHING about the Volt or when it was thought of/designed and planned for the market. Here's a hint-it was LONG before the bailout.

What do you care? You can't afford either one.

I care that he spits out lies and misinformation about something has no clue about.

What you are failing to grasp is that the Volt in and of itself may not be a bad product for certain consumers. The problem is the vehicle is grossly overpriced for what you can get out of it. On top of that, the gov't is subsidizing each car by $7500 each. If you could get this car for $25K (unsubsidized) or less, I think it would sell a lot better.

I do not agree that the Chevy Volt is a green car. All you are doing is trading CO2 emissions from burning gasoline for CO2 emissions from power plants that use fossil fuels. Now if the country can draw the majority of its power from nuclear, wind, solar, biomass and tidal energy power plants, then it would be green. Until then, the Chevy Volt pollutes every bit as much as most of the other cars currently on the road.

Not to mention the batteries in hybrids and EVs are EXTREMELY toxic to the environment.

...and it's range is only about 40 miles. Think of the electricity it takes to charge it back up only to go another 40 miles. I can do it in my truck with 2 and a half gallons of gas.

(08-05-2011 11:53 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:52 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:31 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 11:02 AM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  What do you care? You can't afford either one.

I care that he spits out lies and misinformation about something has no clue about.

What you are failing to grasp is that the Volt in and of itself may not be a bad product for certain consumers. The problem is the vehicle is grossly overpriced for what you can get out of it. On top of that, the gov't is subsidizing each car by $7500 each. If you could get this car for $25K (unsubsidized) or less, I think it would sell a lot better.

I do not agree that the Chevy Volt is a green car. All you are doing is trading CO2 emissions from burning gasoline for CO2 emissions from power plants that use fossil fuels. Now if the country can draw the majority of its power from nuclear, wind, solar, biomass and tidal energy power plants, then it would be green. Until then, the Chevy Volt pollutes every bit as much as most of the other cars currently on the road.

Try reading my earlier post again. I said it isn't selling very well because it costs too much. I am not missing anything.

So you admit it is a failure. Clueless.

Where did I say it was a failure? You are a failure, not the Volt.

(08-05-2011 12:11 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and it's range is only about 40 miles. Think of the electricity it takes to charge it back up only to go another 40 miles. I can do it in my truck with 2 and a half gallons of gas.

Not real bright are you Rebs?

(08-05-2011 12:16 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 12:11 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and it's range is only about 40 miles. Think of the electricity it takes to charge it back up only to go another 40 miles. I can do it in my truck with 2 and a half gallons of gas.

Not real bright are you Rebs?

Why don't you explain what the hell you're talking about, dumb***. Is what I posted too hard for you to understand?

(08-05-2011 10:53 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:42 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  I think it is important to end our dependency on foreign oil.

http://www.cngnow.com/EN-US/Infrastructu...tHome.aspx

Never knew about consumer CNG.

(08-05-2011 12:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 12:16 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 12:11 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and it's range is only about 40 miles. Think of the electricity it takes to charge it back up only to go another 40 miles. I can do it in my truck with 2 and a half gallons of gas.

Not real bright are you Rebs?

Why don't you explain what the hell you're talking about, dumb***. Is what I posted too hard for you to understand?

Nope. I understood your post. It is just ignorant, just like you.

(08-05-2011 12:26 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 12:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 12:16 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 12:11 PM)Rebel Wrote:  ...and it's range is only about 40 miles. Think of the electricity it takes to charge it back up only to go another 40 miles. I can do it in my truck with 2 and a half gallons of gas.

Not real bright are you Rebs?

Why don't you explain what the hell you're talking about, dumb***. Is what I posted too hard for you to understand?

Nope. I understood you post. It is just ignorant, just like you.

Then explain why you think my post was ignorant, dipsh*t.

(08-05-2011 12:20 PM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:53 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(08-05-2011 10:42 AM)Raider_ATO Wrote:  I think it is important to end our dependency on foreign oil.

http://www.cngnow.com/EN-US/Infrastructu...tHome.aspx

Never knew about consumer CNG.

This is just one in a long list of things you know nothing about.

Here fool:

Quote:According to General Motors the Volt can travel 25 to 50 miles (40 to 80 km) on its lithium-ion battery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Volt

Also:

Quote: Lithium ion batteries are commonly used in cell phones and notebook computers. Regular batteries contain acid and toxic metals such as cadmium, and they produce toxic reactions when they're put into landfills. Lithium ion batteries are more environmentally friendly, but they can still cause dangers when thrown into a landfill.

Dangers to Environment

Lithium ion batteries are nontoxic, and they've been rated safe for landfill disposal. The reason they're non-toxic is that they don't contain materials that are dangerous to the environment by themselves; metals like cobalt make up most of each battery. Despite the name, there is no lithium present in these batteries. If a lithium ion battery in a landfill ruptures and comes into contact with water, however, it can create a dangerous mixture that will sink down into the groundwater.

Dangers to Wildlife

The concern that animals who prowl landfills will mistake batteries for food applies to lithium ion batteries. Even though animals aren't supposed to be in landfills in the first place, they do make their way in to find waste that's edible. Eating lithium ion batteries is dangerous, especially if the metals they contain--cobalt, copper, nickel and iron--leach into an animal's system. The metals can cause great harm and likely death. The same is true for people who eat these batteries.

Wasted Space

One of the biggest harms that lithium ion batteries cause in landfills is that they take up space. The batteries are completely recyclable, but many millions of them are thrown away every year because they're considered landfill-safe. The salvage price for the metals, according to "Computer World," isn't enough to make concerted recycling efforts financially worthwhile. Thus, millions of tons of lithium ion batteries are added to landfills, taking up room that could be saved. Additionally, throwing the batteries away means that fresh metals have to be mined, and mining has a much bigger environmental impact than simple recycling would. http://www.ehow.com/list_7199592_hazards...fills.html