I wasn't asking if it's great entertainment. She's paid to be an entertainer, I'd hope it's great entertainment. That's her job at this point. I was asking if the Narrative Changing, Bus Tour of PR Brilliance is to be celebrated, or if all the attention she is stealing away from legitimate politicians while they are in the midst of a presidential campaign is a problem for conservatives.

Last week we had conservatives celebrating what she's doing. This week, we have DrTorch bitching about how much attention it is taking away from real issues. You can't have it both ways. It's just pretty damn hard to take his complaints seriously, when other conservatives are going on about how great the silly bus tour is. And now you won't even take a stand on the issue because you got caught in between a rock and a hard place.


And no lefty fears Sarah Palin.. that's laughable. They may dislike her or even hate her as some here have claimed, they almost certainly do not respect her or her supporters, and they clearly enjoy making fun of her, but don't get that confused with fear.

Liberals fear people like Tim Pawlenty or Rick Perry (if he runs), potentially legitimate candidates. No one is worried about Sarah Palin outside of maybe the Republican establishment, and I don't think even they are worried about her winning the primary at this point considering how far she's fallen.


To your last point, Sarah Palin is an author / TV celebrity on a bus trip. Weiner is an actual politician, who is in an actual scandal. (Albeit.. a pathetic one of no real consequence to the rest of us, but none the less, it is legitimate news).

While neither real deserve any attention, clearly what Weiner is doing is more relevant, I'd hope he's more of a distraction.

(06-14-2011 09:26 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  and they clearly enjoy making fun of her,

Hmm, dumb, ignorant, stupid people enjoy making fun of someone far more intelligent than themselves. Makes sense.

What PR Brilliance? Was it brilliant for Obabba to say, that the created or saved 3.5 million jobs, and that the stimulus worked, even though it was sold (1 trillion dollars) to keep unemployment below 8%. And where did this enormous amount of money go anyway? If that was brilliant then maybe SP's stick it in the eye of the MSM is brilliant. She marginalizes them as they marginalize her. I totally reject the idea, as I said eariler, that SP is sucking all the air out, this is stupid MSM spin, what Republicans, cannot walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. If you don't see the "Liberals fear" of SP, your head is at least 6 feet under. Republicans and Liberals can and do, have it both ways. In politician speak, it keeping your options open. It's time to put the SP Bus Tour to bed.

Sum.. I don't think it was brilliant at all, that was my point. I think the tour is a ridiculous waste of time, and doesn't help the GOP in any way. I was quoting someone else, mocking their opinion. I guess this is why conservative satire shows don't exist..


Right now the GOP is in a great position to make progress with moderate voters with the candidates now making their intentions clear, and economy still struggling, this should be the time for guys like Tim Pawlenty to get their name out. Instead the big focus right now? A guy texting pictures of his namesake, and a TV author on a bus tour. It's simply selfish on her part. Which of course is not a surprise, considering she quit her elected position mid-term to sell books and get a TV deal, but none the less, to call it anything else is silly.

And do you understand what the word fear means? What are they afraid of? She's not a politician, she'll never be a politician again. She's a TV personality. That's like saying people fear Bill O'Reilly or Jon Stewart.

Dislike, hatred, disdain, a complete lack of respect.. whatever you want to call it, is not the same as fear. Do you think liberals are stuck up at night till all hours, afraid of what Sarah Palin is going to do next? Oh heavens, what national landmark will her bus take her to next??!?! Oh goodness, gracious, how many books with will this terrifying woman sell?!?!? As a liberal, I can assure you, while we belittle her on a regular basis and enjoy mocking her supporters, we certainly do not fear her.

Just as I'm sure you don't fear Rachel Maddow. You may hate Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, but I find it hard to believe you would ever say you fear them. That is how liberals feel about Sarah Palin. Considering you aren't a liberal, I find it hard to believe you have a better grasp on how we feel than I do.

(06-14-2011 10:20 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Sum.. I don't think it was brilliant at all, that was my point. I think the tour is a ridiculous waste of time, and doesn't help the GOP in any way. I was quoting someone else, mocking their opinion. I guess this is why conservative satire shows don't exist..


Right now the GOP is in a great position to make progress with moderate voters with the candidates now making their intentions clear, and economy still struggling, this should be the time for guys like Tim Pawlenty to get their name out. Instead the big focus right now? A guy texting pictures of his namesake, and a TV author on a bus tour. It's simply selfish on her part. Which of course is not a surprise, considering she quit her elected position mid-term to sell books and get a TV deal, but none the less, to call it anything else is silly.

And do you understand what the word fear means? What are they afraid of? She's not a politician, she'll never be a politician again. She's a TV personality. That's like saying people fear Bill O'Reilly or Jon Stewart.

Dislike, hatred, disdain, a complete lack of respect.. whatever you want to call it, is not the same as fear. Do you think liberals are stuck up at night till all hours, afraid of what Sarah Palin is going to do next? Oh heavens, what national landmark will her bus take her to next??!?! Oh goodness, gracious, how many books with will this terrifying woman sell?!?!? As a liberal, I can assure you, while we belittle her on a regular basis and enjoy mocking her supporters, we certainly do not fear her.

Just as I'm sure you don't fear Rachel Maddow. You may hate Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann, but I find it hard to believe you would ever say you fear them. That is how liberals feel about Sarah Palin. Considering you aren't a liberal, I find it hard to believe you have a better grasp on how we feel than I do.

So who sent people to Juno to scour her emails for dirt? Thats fear. Who at the NYT employed (no money) people to scour her emails for dirt? You cannot make a case that she is insignificant on one hand and marginalize her, then say she sucks the oxygen out of the room in the other. That you cannot have both ways. RM and KO are lubricious and inept, and don't have near the following as SP. Liberals FEAR Palin, that's why they hang on her every breath.

Fear? That's good business, not fear. They know liberals dislike Sarah Palin. They hoped there would be something there that would tarnish her reputation. That's not hard to understand. Liberals would have ate that **** up.

No one has to fear Sarah Palin to want to go out of their way to tarnish her reputation. Just look at LeBron James this week, people don't fear him. They dislike him. They loved his failure. It's human nature, people like to see those who they dislike fail. You can dislike someone and not fear them.

I ask again.. what is it that the liberals fear? Why would they be afraid of a TV personality on a bus tour? You're confusing fear and dislike / disrespect. They are not the same thing.


To your other point, I'm making the case that she is insignificant as in so far as running for the presidency. That doesn't mean she can't draw attention away from real candidates and real issues (like Obama's failures). She's marginalized when it comes to who supports her. Someone who isn't supported can still certainly draw plenty of attention though (as she & Donald Trump have shown).

(06-14-2011 10:49 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Fear? That's good business, not fear. They know liberals dislike Sarah Palin. They hoped there would be something there that would tarnish her reputation. That's not hard to understand. Liberals would have ate that **** up.

No one has to fear Sarah Palin to want to go out of their way to tarnish her reputation. Just look at LeBron James this week, people don't fear him. They dislike him. They loved his failure. It's human nature, people like to see those who they dislike fail. You can dislike someone and not fear them.

I ask again.. what is it that the liberals fear? Why would they be afraid of a TV personality on a bus tour? You're confusing fear and dislike / disrespect. They are not the same thing.


To your other point, I'm making the case that she is insignificant as in so far as running for the presidency. That doesn't mean she can't draw attention away from real candidates and real issues (like Obama's failures). She's marginalized when it comes to who supports her. Someone who isn't supported can still certainly draw plenty of attention though (as she & Donald Trump have shown).

Let me be clearer. She is feared because she has a large following and a huge mouthpiece. She Mocks the MSM and people get it. She Mocks liberals as failures and people get it. She Mocks Obabba with a simple tweet and people hear it louder than Obabba in front of the daily teleprompter appearances. Do you get it now. She may not be presidential material NOW, but whose to say what her role might be in the future. She is the loose cannon, the monkey in the wrench, the thorn in the side, the wildcard, the maverick, the underdog. People who have a hardon for her, it may be to their own peril. That's fear.

BTW, she's got a movie coming out....... How's that working out.... Or would you rather watch Obabba getting his Peace Prize and starting another war.

(06-14-2011 12:08 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 10:49 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Fear? That's good business, not fear. They know liberals dislike Sarah Palin. They hoped there would be something there that would tarnish her reputation. That's not hard to understand. Liberals would have ate that **** up.

No one has to fear Sarah Palin to want to go out of their way to tarnish her reputation. Just look at LeBron James this week, people don't fear him. They dislike him. They loved his failure. It's human nature, people like to see those who they dislike fail. You can dislike someone and not fear them.

I ask again.. what is it that the liberals fear? Why would they be afraid of a TV personality on a bus tour? You're confusing fear and dislike / disrespect. They are not the same thing.


To your other point, I'm making the case that she is insignificant as in so far as running for the presidency. That doesn't mean she can't draw attention away from real candidates and real issues (like Obama's failures). She's marginalized when it comes to who supports her. Someone who isn't supported can still certainly draw plenty of attention though (as she & Donald Trump have shown).

Let me be clearer. She is feared because she has a large following and a huge mouthpiece. She Mocks the MSM and people get it. She Mocks liberals as failures and people get it. She Mocks Obabba with a simple tweet and people hear it louder than Obabba in front of the daily teleprompter appearances. Do you get it now. She may not be presidential material NOW, but whose to say what her role might be in the future. She is the loose cannon, the monkey in the wrench, the thorn in the side, the wildcard, the maverick, the underdog. People who have a hardon for her, it may be to their own peril. That's fear.

Large following? If you call 5-10% of the Republican party a large following, then yes she has a large following.

(06-14-2011 12:15 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 12:08 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 10:49 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Fear? That's good business, not fear. They know liberals dislike Sarah Palin. They hoped there would be something there that would tarnish her reputation. That's not hard to understand. Liberals would have ate that **** up.

No one has to fear Sarah Palin to want to go out of their way to tarnish her reputation. Just look at LeBron James this week, people don't fear him. They dislike him. They loved his failure. It's human nature, people like to see those who they dislike fail. You can dislike someone and not fear them.

I ask again.. what is it that the liberals fear? Why would they be afraid of a TV personality on a bus tour? You're confusing fear and dislike / disrespect. They are not the same thing.


To your other point, I'm making the case that she is insignificant as in so far as running for the presidency. That doesn't mean she can't draw attention away from real candidates and real issues (like Obama's failures). She's marginalized when it comes to who supports her. Someone who isn't supported can still certainly draw plenty of attention though (as she & Donald Trump have shown).

Let me be clearer. She is feared because she has a large following and a huge mouthpiece. She Mocks the MSM and people get it. She Mocks liberals as failures and people get it. She Mocks Obabba with a simple tweet and people hear it louder than Obabba in front of the daily teleprompter appearances. Do you get it now. She may not be presidential material NOW, but whose to say what her role might be in the future. She is the loose cannon, the monkey in the wrench, the thorn in the side, the wildcard, the maverick, the underdog. People who have a hardon for her, it may be to their own peril. That's fear.

Large following? If you call 5-10% of the Republican party a large following, then yes she has a large following.

I want to see where you came up with that number. 5-10%. And if it came out of your a$$, you can't show us the ***** stuck up it as proof, even if it is a fact it is up there and came from there.

(06-14-2011 12:20 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 12:15 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 12:08 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 10:49 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Fear? That's good business, not fear. They know liberals dislike Sarah Palin. They hoped there would be something there that would tarnish her reputation. That's not hard to understand. Liberals would have ate that **** up.

No one has to fear Sarah Palin to want to go out of their way to tarnish her reputation. Just look at LeBron James this week, people don't fear him. They dislike him. They loved his failure. It's human nature, people like to see those who they dislike fail. You can dislike someone and not fear them.

I ask again.. what is it that the liberals fear? Why would they be afraid of a TV personality on a bus tour? You're confusing fear and dislike / disrespect. They are not the same thing.


To your other point, I'm making the case that she is insignificant as in so far as running for the presidency. That doesn't mean she can't draw attention away from real candidates and real issues (like Obama's failures). She's marginalized when it comes to who supports her. Someone who isn't supported can still certainly draw plenty of attention though (as she & Donald Trump have shown).

Let me be clearer. She is feared because she has a large following and a huge mouthpiece. She Mocks the MSM and people get it. She Mocks liberals as failures and people get it. She Mocks Obabba with a simple tweet and people hear it louder than Obabba in front of the daily teleprompter appearances. Do you get it now. She may not be presidential material NOW, but whose to say what her role might be in the future. She is the loose cannon, the monkey in the wrench, the thorn in the side, the wildcard, the maverick, the underdog. People who have a hardon for her, it may be to their own peril. That's fear.

Large following? If you call 5-10% of the Republican party a large following, then yes she has a large following.

I want to see where you came up with that number. 5-10%. And if it came out of your a$$, you can't show us the ***** stuck up it as proof, even if it is a fact it is up there and came from there.

I admit it is more of an educated guess. When only a few hundred people show up to see you in Wisconsin(many of those bussed in from out of state) it doesn't take much brain power to understand she doesn't have much of a following. Also, based on the limited number of tea baggers on here are Sarah Palin followers and that the tea party is only a small to moderate percentage of the Republican party. Her poll numbers say a lot. I would say that 5-10% is a fairly accurate number.

(06-14-2011 12:39 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 12:20 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 12:15 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 12:08 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-14-2011 10:49 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Fear? That's good business, not fear. They know liberals dislike Sarah Palin. They hoped there would be something there that would tarnish her reputation. That's not hard to understand. Liberals would have ate that **** up.

No one has to fear Sarah Palin to want to go out of their way to tarnish her reputation. Just look at LeBron James this week, people don't fear him. They dislike him. They loved his failure. It's human nature, people like to see those who they dislike fail. You can dislike someone and not fear them.

I ask again.. what is it that the liberals fear? Why would they be afraid of a TV personality on a bus tour? You're confusing fear and dislike / disrespect. They are not the same thing.


To your other point, I'm making the case that she is insignificant as in so far as running for the presidency. That doesn't mean she can't draw attention away from real candidates and real issues (like Obama's failures). She's marginalized when it comes to who supports her. Someone who isn't supported can still certainly draw plenty of attention though (as she & Donald Trump have shown).

Let me be clearer. She is feared because she has a large following and a huge mouthpiece. She Mocks the MSM and people get it. She Mocks liberals as failures and people get it. She Mocks Obabba with a simple tweet and people hear it louder than Obabba in front of the daily teleprompter appearances. Do you get it now. She may not be presidential material NOW, but whose to say what her role might be in the future. She is the loose cannon, the monkey in the wrench, the thorn in the side, the wildcard, the maverick, the underdog. People who have a hardon for her, it may be to their own peril. That's fear.

Large following? If you call 5-10% of the Republican party a large following, then yes she has a large following.

I want to see where you came up with that number. 5-10%. And if it came out of your a$$, you can't show us the ***** stuck up it as proof, even if it is a fact it is up there and came from there.

I admit it is more of an educated guess. When only a few hundred people show up to see you in Wisconsin(many of those bussed in from out of state) it doesn't take much brain power to understand she doesn't have much of a following. Also, based on the limited number of tea baggers on here are Sarah Palin followers and that the tea party is only a small to moderate percentage of the Republican party. Her poll numbers say a lot. I would say that 5-10% is a fairly accurate number.

So you pulled out of your a$$. Why bother even saying it. It shows you as a mindless emotional troll.

I imagine it's working out quite well for her financially. I'm sure plenty of conservatives will flock to support it, and a fair amount of liberals will watch to criticize it.. and she'll continue turning off the moderates that actually matter, while she rakes in the money.

If you're asking how that's working out for the GOP's chances in the presidential election, I imagine she's not doing them any favors. So in that regard, I'd say it's working out pretty well for liberals. As long as she is who moderate's think of when they think of the GOP, liberals are much better off.


Your problem is that when you say "people" get it, the people you are referring to are conservatives. They don't need to "get it," they already vote Republican. She's winning over the people that are already on your team. That's not an accomplishment, and it's certainly not something that liberals fear.

You think her shtick is winning new votes for the GOP? Seriously.. do you believe that? Do you think her routine plays well with moderates views? No.. of course you don't think that, you're not an idiot. So why would any liberal fear her? She's a mouth piece to people that are already locked in for the other side. Liberals don't care about that 30-40% or whatever it may be, of straight ticket Republicans that support her. Just like Mitt Romney isn't concerned with the 30-40% of liberals voting straight Democrat. You think he cares about the people that Michael Moore reaches with his movies? Of course not. Those people weren't going to vote for a Republican no matter what he does.


Every day she draws attention to herself instead of real issues, as DrTorch pointed out, it's a bad day for the legitimate candidates. And a great one for Barack Obama.

You don't see liberals raving about Tim Pawlenty do you? Hell no. If you're a liberal, you pretend he doesn't exist and hope to god the less informed moderate voters out there don't notice the guy until it's too late. That's the type of guy liberals fear.

And to your point about reaching people.. Bill O'Reilly is a big mouthpiece. Jon Stewart, Michael Moore and Rachel Maddow have large followings. Do you fear them? Does Rachel Maddow keep you up at night because she point's out the GOP's failures? Does Jon Stewart keep you up at night in fear because he is mocking yet another GOP member and liberals are watching with glee when he does it? I'd assume or at least hope not, maybe I'm overestimating you though. Your definition of fear is clearly just very different than mine.

446 words to completely mis-characterize and bloviate in such a pompous and arrogant manner, that it makes me wonder what gets you out of bed in the morning. After that I have but one word for you. Nuts.

Hmm.. I was told (on this board no less) it was liberals who sunk so low as to just insult people instead of have a discussion. Interesting.

What did I mis-characterize? Instead of just blatantly insult me.. correct me.

Of these points.. where do you disagree?
Do you actually believe she is reaching out to moderate voters?
Do you actually believe those who follow Michael Moore were ever going to vote GOP?
Do you fear the Rachel Maddow / Michael Moore types of the world?
Do you think it helps the legitimate GOP candidates when the focus is on Palin instead of Obama's mistakes and their campaigns?
Do you think it attracts moderates to the GOP when someone like Sarah Palin is the face of the party?

(06-15-2011 07:58 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Hmm.. I was told (on this board no less) it was liberals who sunk so low as to just insult people instead of have a discussion. Interesting.

What did I mis-characterize? Instead of just blatantly insult me.. correct me.

Of these points.. where do you disagree?
[1]Do you actually believe she is reaching out to moderate voters?
[2]Do you actually believe those who follow Michael Moore were ever going to vote GOP?
[3]Do you fear the Rachel Maddow / Michael Moore types of the world?
[4]Do you think it helps the legitimate GOP candidates when the focus is on Palin instead of Obama's mistakes and their campaigns?
[5]Do you think it attracts moderates to the GOP when someone like Sarah Palin is the face of the party?

[1] Is she running? I musta missed that. Moderate voters will lean GOP out of sheer disgust of Obabba's record of utter failures. He is devoid of leadership. His budet proposal was something out of a movie script. Not one friend or foe voted for it.
[2] RM is a non-issue, there are only 5 people who watch and believe her.
[3] I fear no man or woman. Are we clear? ARE WE CLEAR?
[4] There is plenty of time to focus on Obabba's mistakes. He continues to make mistake after mistake, even as we post.
[5] Refer to [1]

(06-15-2011 10:01 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(06-15-2011 07:58 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Hmm.. I was told (on this board no less) it was liberals who sunk so low as to just insult people instead of have a discussion. Interesting.

What did I mis-characterize? Instead of just blatantly insult me.. correct me.

Of these points.. where do you disagree?
[1]Do you actually believe she is reaching out to moderate voters?
[2]Do you actually believe those who follow Michael Moore were ever going to vote GOP?
[3]Do you fear the Rachel Maddow / Michael Moore types of the world?
[4]Do you think it helps the legitimate GOP candidates when the focus is on Palin instead of Obama's mistakes and their campaigns?
[5]Do you think it attracts moderates to the GOP when someone like Sarah Palin is the face of the party?

[1] Is she running? I musta missed that. Moderate voters will lean GOP out of sheer disgust of Obabba's record of utter failures. He is devoid of leadership. His budet proposal was something out of a movie script. Not one friend or foe voted for it.
[2] RM is a non-issue, there are only 5 people who watch and believe her.
[3] I fear no man or woman. Are we clear? ARE WE CLEAR?
[4] There is plenty of time to focus on Obabba's mistakes. He continues to make mistake after mistake, even as we post.
[5] Refer to [1]

1) You didn't answer the question. And she doesn't have to run to draw voters to another candidate.
2) Your flippant answer makes it pretty clear you agree with me on this point.
3) So.. you understand that there's no reason for liberals to fear Palin.. moving on.
4) Not really an answer again, the question was.. do you think it's beneficial for the legitimate GOP candidates to have the focus on Palin. It's a yes or no question.
5) As I said that's a non answer. You don't have to run for the presidency to be the face of the party. It's another simple yes or no question, do you think it helps the GOP attract moderate voters when Sarah Palin is receiving large amounts of attention.

(06-15-2011 10:01 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  His budet proposal was something out of a movie script. Not one friend or foe voted for it.

Since none of your cronies will ever point out this fact, that budget vote was on a budget that had already been replaced but the Republicans brought it up in the house anyway just to have a vote on it. No one voted for it because it would have never been signed into law.

(06-15-2011 01:30 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-15-2011 10:01 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  His budet proposal was something out of a movie script. Not one friend or foe voted for it.

Since none of your cronies will ever point out this fact, that budget vote was on a budget that had already been replaced but the Republicans brought it up in the house anyway just to have a vote on it. No one voted for it because it would have never been signed into law.

Spin, Spin, Spin, you are a dizzy Shelia.

Sum are you suggesting he's wrong here?

Dead wrong. They voted on Obabba's budget and it did not get one vote.