(06-01-2011 09:45 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  I'm not a fan of Sarah Palin.. but I've written notes or reminders on my hand plenty of times. Like I tell people when they bash Obama over nonsense like the birther crap, plenty of legitimate reasons to go at these people, no need to waste your time over the trivial stuff.

I have given speeches and addressed groups over a hundred times over the years as a major civic club President/Lt. Governor and professional organization President. I would never think of writing a prompt on my hand. It just would seem to me to look unprofessional and unprepared ..Of course that is just my opinion.... I do however carry a note card(along with the agenda) with prompts that I lay on the podium in case I get distracted. Most of the time I pretty much have my comments memorized.

Palin is a lot of things. Stupid is not one of them. You don't get elected as mayor and then governor if you're stupid. You don't have the success she has had in light of the media's effort to destroy her and be stupid.

I'd be willing to bet if I put you across the table from her Tom and you all debated the issues of the day she'd rip you a new a$$hole.

I'm not a big fan of hers. But I know she isn't stupid.

(06-01-2011 06:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With all sure respect MHB, you can't see the forest through the ******* trees.

Palin gets the press treatment she does because she is an idiot and everyone knows it.

Well, apparently everyone but you.

That does seem to be the official narrative, yes.

(06-01-2011 07:26 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Palin is a lot of things. Stupid is not one of them. You don't get elected as mayor and then governor if you're stupid. You don't have the success she has had in light of the media's effort to destroy her and be stupid.

I'd be willing to bet if I put you across the table from her Tom and you all debated the issues of the day she'd rip you a new a$$hole.

I'm not a big fan of hers. But I know she isn't stupid.

Ever known anyone from Alaska? They are all pretty much kooks up there.

Funny though...Obama graduates from an Ivy league school, heads a law review, wins a state house seat, the US senate and the Presidency, the later while the Fox News machine is trying to destroy him, but that doesn't seem to account for much from the other side...LOL

And I don't mean to imply that she is not book smart or media savvy. But you can't deny that she comes off looking pretty stupid a lot of the time when asked simple questions.

I'm all for media and entertainers poking fun at elected politicians, R or D. It's like a national pasttime.

But while I come dangerously close to pulling out the "media bias" card, I find it interesting that Joe Biden's gaffes and miscues could fill a volume of late night talk show material, Dan Quayle-style, yet it's rarely touched upon. These are some Class-A goofs by a sitting VP.

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> "I'm told Chuck Graham, state senator, is here. Stand up Chuck, let 'em see you. Oh, God love you. What am I talking about. I'll tell you what, you're making everybody else stand up, though, pal." (Biden didn't realize Graham is confined to a wheelchair)

> "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, 'Look, here's what happened'." (FDR wasn't president when the stock market crashed, and TV's were only in their development stage)

> "Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number-one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs."

> "A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States -- Barack America!"

> "In Delaware, the largest growth of population is Indian Americans, moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

> "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

(06-02-2011 07:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-01-2011 07:26 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  Palin is a lot of things. Stupid is not one of them. You don't get elected as mayor and then governor if you're stupid. You don't have the success she has had in light of the media's effort to destroy her and be stupid.

I'd be willing to bet if I put you across the table from her Tom and you all debated the issues of the day she'd rip you a new a$$hole.

I'm not a big fan of hers. But I know she isn't stupid.

Ever known anyone from Alaska? They are all pretty much kooks up there.

Yes, and if the **** ever goes down, it'll be fools like you begging for the government to help out while Alaskans, as "kooky" as they are, will be fine. Wow, how dumb, right?

What a bunch of stereotypical BS. I have met a bunch of people from Michigan. The ones that weren't conservative are whacked out of their f'n minds.

(06-02-2011 07:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ever known anyone from Alaska? They are all pretty much kooks up there.

I've been to Anchorage and people seemed very friendly, laid-back and down to earth.

You live relatively close to good ol' Detroit. Take a ride through Lincoln Park, Ecorse, River Rouge and Taylor, then up I-94 through the ruinous heart of Detroit, and then spend some time in Warren off 8-Mile, all the while dealing with aggressive, wild drivers with nowhere to go in a hurry on crater-filled roads. Doing this, I don't know how anyone could cast stones on any other city or state.

(06-02-2011 07:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Ever known anyone from Alaska? They are all pretty much kooks up there.

At least you don't over generalize much. I'm sure your interaction with the thousands of Alaskans you've met qualify you to make such a statement.

Quote:Funny though...Obama graduates from an Ivy league school, heads a law review, wins a state house seat, the US senate and the Presidency, the later while the Fox News machine is trying to destroy him, but that doesn't seem to account for much from the other side...LOL

Says the guy who's party villified Bush as stupid even though he graduated from Yale and Harvard, was elected as Governor twice and president twice. But I guess the Ivy League education only counts when it's a dem who has it.

Quote:And I don't mean to imply that she is not book smart or media savvy. But you can't deny that she comes off looking pretty stupid a lot of the time when asked simple questions.

Says the guy who's supports a president who can't do anything without his teleprompter. Familiarize yourself with some of Obama's press conferences and count the number of "um, uh, that uh, well uh" etc.

Your criticism of her may hold some weight if your boy Obama (note I don't mean "boy" in the racial sense, lest I be accused of being racist) didn't suffer the same gaffes. How many states are there again? 57 according to Obama.

(06-01-2011 03:12 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  There IS NO narrative (that I can see at this time).

So.. you've made my point for me. The tour is as meaningless as Sarah Palin is to politics. Thank you. She is not accomplishing anything here. As you've now said here yourself.

Isn't not giving a complete answer or having a clear opinion one of the main things the right bashes Obama for? Having nothing of substance to say. That's the big talking point there.. Obama is just a teleprompter, can't actually answer anything.

And yet.. now you're applauding Sarah Palin for not taking questions? I mean.. that is what you're so impressed with right? That's the brilliant PR move you've gone on and on about? Her not answering questions.

(06-02-2011 07:51 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  But while I come dangerously close to pulling out the "media bias" card, I find it interesting that Joe Biden's gaffes and miscues could fill a volume of late night talk show material, Dan Quayle-style, yet it's rarely touched upon. These are some Class-A goofs by a sitting VP.

You have to be joking right? Biden is continually lambasted on the talk shows for his gaffe's.

Biden can at least articulate what newspapers he reads and what supreme court cases he disagrees with without looking like a deer in the headlights with magic marker on his hoof.

Most of the late night talk shows slant to the left, what do you expect? No one is stopping conservatives from having their own version of those shows.

That being said, Biden still gets ripped apart all the time. Maybe you aren't watching because you don't want to watch liberal media, but it's pretty rare a day goes by that they don't throw in a Biden joke at some point.

(06-02-2011 10:00 AM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  Most of the late night talk shows slant to the left, what do you expect? No one is stopping conservatives from having their own version of those shows.

Um, yeah there is.

For reference

(At first, I posted something similar in a different thread, but it may be more appropriate here)

In a roundabout way, I agree with HF84. People can grumble all they want, but the entertainment industry is largely a private one and if producers and execs want to add their own liberal flavor to storylines, it's their choice.

However, I know the author of that book just interviewed a smattering of TV execs, and those execs probably "let loose" a bit more thinking they were talking to a fellow lefty. But it's a shame if barriers, subtle shunning and contempt exists toward colleagues with a different point of view (sounds like stories from the early 1950s, but in reverse). And not all conservatives are painted in the same brush, of course. If a conservative is willing to move to Hollywood and start a career in the industry, they likely understand they'd need to be open-minded to other viewpoints, and are generally cut more from the libertarian-lite cloth than the bible thumper cloth. Guys like Clint Eastwood and Andy Garcia don't perfectly fit the Hollywood mold, politically, but tend to play well with others.

Niner.. If there's ratings for it, the network would let it go. They may support a liberal agenda, but there are plenty of outlets that would work. The fact is the market just isn't there.. or conservatives aren't very good at it. I find it hard to believe you couldn't find one funny conservative out there though to host a TV show, so that leaves you with the fact there's just no market.

You think Fox News or USA or TNT wouldn't have a conservative version of the Daily Show if it would get ratings? Come on. They're in the business of making money above anything else.

South Park is about the closest thing there was/is to successful satire with a decidely libertarian POV.

But aside from this, there's little sketch comedy or satire programs that attract the Reason/CATO crowd. It's a shame, really. In this day and age, critiques couched in satire and Stewart-like sarcasm sometimes have a greater impact - and wider audience - than the dry, serious 'tell it like is.'