(03-30-2011 10:34 AM)trojanbrutha Wrote:
Appalachian State should know by June whether or not it will upgrade it's program to Division I-A (a.k.a., FBS) status. The Mountaineers are a well-known I-AA power (just ask Michigan), but finding a conference to join (the Sun Belt?) and whether the move makes financial sense are at the root of the decision. If both work out, there seems to be little concern about the step-up in competition.
The feasibility committee's primary focus has been to figure out how to come up with the money necessary to fund such a move, without taxing the school's students.
"It all comes down to it's got to be financially feasible without state money, it can't be on the backs of the students and it has to enhance the academic side of the equation," said G.A. Sywassink, the co-chair of the committee.
The committee will try to make a recommendation to chancellor Ken Peacock in May, with Peacock expected to make his recommendation to university trustees in June.
Alas, App State has said within the last 4 weeks at I believe a booster club meeting that the SunBelt is NOT an option. They are looking for 1) CUSA and 2) as a backup CAA and ONLY if the CAA upgrades to FBS. Period
(This post was last modified: 03-30-2011 06:45 PM by panama.)
Alas, App State has said within the last 4 weeks at I believe a booster club meeting that the SunBelt is NOT an option. They are looking for 1) CUSA and 2) as a backup CAA and ONLY if the CAA upgrades to FBS. Period
There aren't really too many FCS schools falling all over themselves to be a part of the Sun Belt, which is fine by me, because we aren't falling all over ourselves for anyone in the Sun Belt.
The FCS schools can think what they want about the Belt, but we're in the club and they aren't. I can understand wanting to start higher than the Sun Belt, but for most FCS schools that simply isn't an option, honestly I'm not sure I buy App State as a legit CUSA option. For all the crap La Tech gets about Ruston not fitting the CUSA market profile, Boone isn't much better...
(This post was last modified: 03-30-2011 07:31 PM by MTPiKapp.)
Alas, App State has said within the last 4 weeks at I believe a booster club meeting that the SunBelt is NOT an option. They are looking for 1) CUSA and 2) as a backup CAA and ONLY if the CAA upgrades to FBS. Period
There aren't really too many FCS schools falling all over themselves to be a part of the Sun Belt, which is fine by me, because we aren't falling all over ourselves for anyone in the Sun Belt.
The FCS schools can think what they want about the Belt, but we're in the club and they aren't. I can understand wanting to start higher than the Sun Belt, but for most FCS schools that simply isn't an option, honestly I'm not sure I buy App State as a legit CUSA option. For all the crab La Tech gets about Ruston not fitting the CUSA market profile, Boone isn't much better...
Have to agree. The sales job that App has to do is that basically that their football program is so good that it reduces te distance between Boone and Charlotte from 101 miles to 1 mile.
(This post was last modified: 03-30-2011 07:24 PM by panama.)
(03-30-2011 06:44 PM)panama Wrote: *sigh*
Alas, App State has said within the last 4 weeks at I believe a booster club meeting that the SunBelt is NOT an option. They are looking for 1) CUSA and 2) as a backup CAA and ONLY if the CAA upgrades to FBS. Period
I was thinking the same thing. Though my first two choices for the Belt are Tech and Appy, I am not necessarily surprised if the reverse is not true.
We can't get too far ahead of ourselves. We need to keep working our way up to and past the MAC. And slowly, over time, start chipping away at C-USA's lead. This conference stuff moves at glacial speed, we need some patience and perspective here.
p.s. one solid piece of news out lately is that the 2010 census shows the Sun Belt states are getting stronger and stronger and we are positioned well there.
Why don't all the supposed wannabees (ASU, Ga. Southern, Missouri State, UTSA, Florida Gulf Coast, Georgia State, Jax State, UMass, etc.) hook up and form their own new conference?
Happy Appy has a slightly better chance of joining Conference USA than Loser Tech does. .000000001% to .0000000000000000000001%.
There's definitely a need for another non-AQ league on the east coast. I wish the CAA would move up together and fill that void. If Appy doesn't move up immediately, they should still consider ditching the SoCon for the CAA. Definitely a better conference these days and a better fit for the Junior Mountainqueers.
(04-01-2011 06:26 PM)BMarkey Wrote: Why don't all the supposed wannabees (ASU, Ga. Southern, Missouri State, UTSA, Florida Gulf Coast, Georgia State, Jax State, UMass, etc.) hook up and form their own new conference?
NCAA rules prevent it. You need an invite from an EXISTING FBS conference to move up.
(This post was last modified: 04-01-2011 06:57 PM by MG61.)
(04-01-2011 06:26 PM)BMarkey Wrote: Why don't all the supposed wannabees (ASU, Ga. Southern, Missouri State, UTSA, Florida Gulf Coast, Georgia State, Jax State, UMass, etc.) hook up and form their own new conference?
NCAA rules prevent it. You need an invite from an EXISTING FBS conference to move up.
Eh...kind of iffy...the rules address how one school moves from FCS to FBS. Does not address how a conference becomes FBS.
(04-01-2011 06:26 PM)BMarkey Wrote: Why don't all the supposed wannabees (ASU, Ga. Southern, Missouri State, UTSA, Florida Gulf Coast, Georgia State, Jax State, UMass, etc.) hook up and form their own new conference?
NCAA rules prevent it. You need an invite from an EXISTING FBS conference to move up.
Eh...kind of iffy...the rules address how one school moves from FCS to FBS. Does not address how a conference becomes FBS.
(04-01-2011 06:26 PM)BMarkey Wrote: Why don't all the supposed wannabees (ASU, Ga. Southern, Missouri State, UTSA, Florida Gulf Coast, Georgia State, Jax State, UMass, etc.) hook up and form their own new conference?
NCAA rules prevent it. You need an invite from an EXISTING FBS conference to move up.
Eh...kind of iffy...the rules address how one school moves from FCS to FBS. Does not address how a conference becomes FBS.
(04-01-2011 06:26 PM)BMarkey Wrote: Why don't all the supposed wannabees (ASU, Ga. Southern, Missouri State, UTSA, Florida Gulf Coast, Georgia State, Jax State, UMass, etc.) hook up and form their own new conference?
NCAA rules prevent it. You need an invite from an EXISTING FBS conference to move up.
Eh...kind of iffy...the rules address how one school moves from FCS to FBS. Does not address how a conference becomes FBS.
Whether or not a rule exists that strictly outlines whether or not it is possible to from an entirely new conference of "move-ups" if a group of like minded schools made the proper commitments and the NCAA viewed them as FBS ready and the league as viable, I see no reason why they wouldn't allow it. That said, I'm not sure there are eight(or more) eastern based schools out there who can make that move, let alone all at the same time.
So...
UMASS
Deleware
JMU
Old Dominion
UNC-Charlotte
App State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
That's eight right there and the geography isn't great, especially for schools that would be moving up and some of those schools might be a reach, I can't really think of any other schools that wouldn't be an even bigger reach, I guess throw Jacksonville State in there, but that's even more of a geographic reach.
(04-01-2011 11:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Whether or not a rule exists that strictly outlines whether or not it is possible to from an entirely new conference of "move-ups" if a group of like minded schools made the proper commitments and the NCAA viewed them as FBS ready and the league as viable, I see no reason why they wouldn't allow it. That said, I'm not sure there are eight(or more) eastern based schools out there who can make that move, let alone all at the same time.
So...
UMASS
Deleware
JMU
Old Dominion
UNC-Charlotte
App State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
That's eight right there and the geography isn't great, especially for schools that would be moving up and some of those schools might be a reach, I can't really think of any other schools that wouldn't be an even bigger reach, I guess throw Jacksonville State in there, but that's even more of a geographic reach.
sigh. Conference cannot move up. Check with Arkstfan. To Move up a FCS program must be accepted to an existing FBS conference. I won't argue any more on it, but it can't be done. Beleive and post what you wish
(This post was last modified: 04-01-2011 11:41 PM by MG61.)
(04-01-2011 11:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: We already have 2 UL's that cant decide who is the rightful UL. The last thing this conference needs are two ASU's.
(04-01-2011 11:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Whether or not a rule exists that strictly outlines whether or not it is possible to from an entirely new conference of "move-ups" if a group of like minded schools made the proper commitments and the NCAA viewed them as FBS ready and the league as viable, I see no reason why they wouldn't allow it. That said, I'm not sure there are eight(or more) eastern based schools out there who can make that move, let alone all at the same time.
So...
UMASS
Deleware
JMU
Old Dominion
UNC-Charlotte
App State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
That's eight right there and the geography isn't great, especially for schools that would be moving up and some of those schools might be a reach, I can't really think of any other schools that wouldn't be an even bigger reach, I guess throw Jacksonville State in there, but that's even more of a geographic reach.
sigh. Conference cannot move up. Check with Arkstfan. To Move up a FCS program must be accepted to an existing FBS conference. I won't argue any more on it, but it can't be done. Beleive and post what you wish
In addition to this, can we come to the SBC board just one day a week without a freakin poll on FCS programs joining the Sun Belt Conference?
(04-01-2011 11:22 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: Whether or not a rule exists that strictly outlines whether or not it is possible to from an entirely new conference of "move-ups" if a group of like minded schools made the proper commitments and the NCAA viewed them as FBS ready and the league as viable, I see no reason why they wouldn't allow it. That said, I'm not sure there are eight(or more) eastern based schools out there who can make that move, let alone all at the same time.
So...
UMASS
Deleware
JMU
Old Dominion
UNC-Charlotte
App State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
That's eight right there and the geography isn't great, especially for schools that would be moving up and some of those schools might be a reach, I can't really think of any other schools that wouldn't be an even bigger reach, I guess throw Jacksonville State in there, but that's even more of a geographic reach.
sigh. Conference cannot move up. Check with Arkstfan. To Move up a FCS program must be accepted to an existing FBS conference. I won't argue any more on it, but it can't be done. Beleive and post what you wish
No need to get your panties in a wad, I do think I remember the last rule changes including provisions keeping an entire conference from moving up, that said I was simply speculating that I could see the NCAA allowing it if all schools otherwise met the requirements, but again, I find it highly doubtful that eight(or more) schools would be able to do that, so the point is moot.
(04-01-2011 11:29 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: We already have 2 UL's that cant decide who is the rightful UL. The last thing this conference needs are two ASU's.
there is only one that calls itself UL (LOUISIANA) and only one that wants to be called UL---JUST DO IT---it helps the conference!!!!
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