I too like Ramsey and his staff as people, they have done some good things but after 5 years look at the record. Tired of waiting for next year. Speaking of next year, whoever the coach may be will have 2 big holes to fill with the loss of a pg and bigman. Lets Hope Gragg does the right thing and that the timing is right. Recruiting is important but you need the right kids and the right coaching to succeed.

Is post is not full of race baiting? You are kinding right? Please almost every other word is about blacks or skin color and only hiring like kind people! PLEASE!

(01-29-2010 03:59 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Is post is not full of race baiting? You are kinding right? Please almost every other word is about blacks or skin color and only hiring like kind people! PLEASE!

Um no, it really was a casual observation I and I'm sure others have made. If you are not adult enough to explore possibilities along racial lines maybe you should avoid hitting the reply button. Give us all a break, Carl...

(01-29-2010 06:46 PM)TimBuck2 Wrote:  

(01-29-2010 03:59 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  Is post is not full of race baiting? You are kinding right? Please almost every other word is about blacks or skin color and only hiring like kind people! PLEASE!

Um no, it really was a casual observation I and I'm sure others have made. If you are not adult enough to explore possibilities along racial lines maybe you should avoid hitting the reply button. Give us all a break, Carl...

Nope your post is full of racial implied actuations. (, the race card is a factor for Gragg and may lead too Ramsey not being fired) , ( there's been an opening for a major spot within athletics since he's been here Gragg has filled by a black person...) , (Just saying that there may be something to say for one of very few black ADs in D1 athletics with a track record of hiring like-kind. ) , ( EMU has a large black student body and large black alumni base, with many former athletes who are black. I just think this may be one reason he's going to give Ramsey one more year to get things done. What do you think?)

So using your logic white ADs should and will only hire white coaches. Diles only hired white coaches. And that is just what has been happening for close to 150 years. How many times have poor whites coaches been over more qualified black coaches? Way to many.

In no way am I saying white ADs should only hire white coaches and black coaches should only hire black coaches. What I'm saying is it has been Gragg's track record to hire black coaches more times than not. Get over yourself.

[Sorry to everyone else on the board -- I never meant to start this stuff but felt I had to defend what I said. I think most of you are clear-thinkers here and understand what I was saying.]

(01-30-2010 06:13 AM)TimBuck2 Wrote:  In no way am I saying white ADs should only hire white coaches and black coaches should only hire black coaches. What I'm saying is it has been Gragg's track record to hire black coaches more times than not. Get over yourself.

[Sorry to everyone else on the board -- I never meant to start this stuff but felt I had to defend what I said. I think most of you are clear-thinkers here and understand what I was saying.]

But you did. I am as clear a thinker as any one can be. Out of 22 coaches at EMU Dr Gragg only has filled three positions. And all you can do is point out he has only hired black/like skined people. That is the crux of your post you did slam any other AD for doing the samething or the history of hiring like coches by ADs. Not the persons qualifacations or coaching history just that he hires like race coaches. So it is you that needs to get over yourself bud!

(01-29-2010 10:56 AM)HuronDave Wrote:  

(01-29-2010 09:02 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(01-28-2010 09:52 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-28-2010 08:39 PM)TimBuck2 Wrote:  +1 to hiring an assistant from a major program like MSU, ala English from UM, however it may cost a pretty penny like English...

And something tells me, as much as it may be cliche and not PC, the race card is a factor for Gragg and may lead too Ramsey not being fired or, not resigned for a year. I just think it will take a Genyk-like performance for him not to be back. Look at Gragg's track record -- every time (save for baseball, once) there's been an opening for a major spot within athletics since he's been here Gragg has filled by a black person... Assistant AD (immediately when he was hired), football coach, baseball coach (again, Jake Boss was hired before Alexander), w. basketball. Just saying that there may be something to say for one of very few black ADs in D1 athletics with a track record of hiring like-kind.

And there is probably something to hiring like-kind for Gragg -- I've only talked to him once but he seems smart. He gets it. EMU has a large black student body and large black alumni base, with many former athletes who are black. I just think this may be one reason he's going to give Ramsey one more year to get things done. What do you think?

Don't start the race card here please go to Mdead if you want to do that!

Come on Super, TimBuck didn't say anything offensive or derogatory. Are we so sensitive that we can not talk about a subject like race???

Ramsey was not a Gragg hire so there may be a lack of loyalty just for that reason alone. I think Gragg is smart enough to know that if he wants to eventully be an AD at a major school then he can not make decisions based on color.

Gragg has hired coaches and staff members that are white and black. I know Alexander and think that he's a great guy and a good fit for EMU. Also, hard to argue with the Gilbert hire. I just want to see Gragg hire the best person for the job regardless of color.

Have to agree, Wooden. TimBuck2 did not say anything untoward. If we can't discuss all the issues on the table in a rational, mature tone then what is the point?

Having said that, I do want to add that I really still want to see Ramsey succeed and hope that the rest of the season can be salvaged. Rams has a lot of passion and desire to succeed at EMU, he really pours his heart into this job and has worked very hard at not just trying to make EMU a success on the court but has instilled a solid academic balance as well that was sorely missing before his arrival.

I didn't say it couldn't or shouldn't but that if we do discusse it we should discuss it as the whole and not about the individual. The way Timbuck2 worded it, it is DR Gragg is the only one doing and he is doing it because he is black.

(01-28-2010 11:10 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I heard the last half of the game last night and couldn't believe the length of time it took EMU to get a shot off and also the lack of defense that allowed Bowling Green to come back and win.

Anyone have any names they want to throw out for consideration?

Mark Montgomery, if he would even talk to EMU. I believe he's following Izzo's lead and staying around MSU until Izzo retires.

Montgomery almost had the job the last time but apparently the interviewee's thought Ramsey interviewed better. All Montgomery and MSU does is WIN, WIN, WIN. Heard Diles favored Montgomery at that time.

On yesterdays telecast, it was mentioend that Izzo called Ramsey in regards to the heartbreaking loss to BG. Don't really know what was said other than probably 'Hang In There".

I believe that Montgomery had no chance against Ramsey.

Sometimes a school doesn't necessarily look for the 'best' candidate but the 'best fit'.

Ramsey was thought to be a near perfect fit for EMU.

I doubt any coach had a chance. I thought there was a rumor that Diles also liked the 3rd candidate but he would not have been a good 'fit'.

I believe Montgomery has interviewed for other Div I openings besides EMU and hasn't been selected. Perhaps the term career assistant might be applied to him.

(02-01-2010 11:34 AM)emu79 Wrote:  I believe Montgomery has interviewed for other Div I openings besides EMU and hasn't been selected. Perhaps the term career assistant might be applied to him.

How long has he been a candidate??? At least 5 years. If a guy has been a candidate for that long and has interviewed for several jobs it does make you think that he's not really HC material. He may be equipped to to take over a program that is already rolling along but EMU is needs a program builder.

Wooden,

What makes you think he is ready to coach a Div I program? Just because you may be a great assistant doesn't mean you'll be a great head coach. As someone commented Montgomery may be qualified but maybe doesn't interview well.

I think too often there is a "halo" effect when it comes to assistant coaches becoming head coaches. It easy to recruit and be an assistant when you have great facilities, a great head coach but what happens then when you get named as a head coach at a program that has none of these things?

That's why I like HuronDave's suggesting getting me a successful head coach that's built a program without alot of resources.

(02-01-2010 12:06 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Wooden,

What makes you think he is ready to coach a Div I program? Just because you may be a great assistant doesn't mean you'll be a great head coach. As someone commented Montgomery may be qualified but maybe doesn't interview well.

I think too often there is a "halo" effect when it comes to assistant coaches becoming head coaches. It easy to recruit and be an assistant when you have great facilities, a great head coach but what happens then when you get named as a head coach at a program that has none of these things?

That's why I like HuronDave's suggesting getting me a successful head coach that's built a program without alot of resources.

79, you misunderstood what I was trying to say. We are in agreement. EMU needs a proven guy who has built a program before and not a guy who has a big name but hasn't proven anything.

Sorry for the misunderstanding Wooden. You gave us a nice list of potential candidates to look at.