(03-27-2009 12:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This thread is a microcosm of my feelings on X. Talented, fun team to watch. With a few noteable exceptions, zit faced dungeons and dragons playing trolls for fans.

For someone who has over 4,700 posts on a message board, you may want to evaluate what classifies as a troll. I am still waiting for one legitimate rebuttal for my original past. Facts are facts, and if you take out the emotional connection to your team, they don't change. I never said the past was irrelevant, I said right now UC is irrelevant, and they are. Ask any current or former Bearcat basketball player who played within the last five years if, besides Oscar Robertson, they know of any name on those past Final Four teams in the 50's or 60's or if they really care about it. The hardest thing in life is being honest with yourself.

And finally, why am I over here? I'm in Calgary for business, tired of watching hockey, and figured I'd see if some on this board were dogging Xavier for only making the Sweet 16 in a rebuilding year. And just like clockwork, they were.

(03-27-2009 12:59 PM)ncaaindy Wrote:  

(03-27-2009 12:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This thread is a microcosm of my feelings on X. Talented, fun team to watch. With a few noteable exceptions, zit faced dungeons and dragons playing trolls for fans.

For someone who has over 4,700 posts on a message board, you may want to evaluate what classifies as a troll. I am still waiting for one legitimate rebuttal for my original past. Facts are facts, and if you take out the emotional connection to your team, they don't change. I never said the past was irrelevant, I said right now UC is irrelevant, and they are. Ask any current or former Bearcat basketball player who played within the last five years if, besides Oscar Robertson, they know of any name on those past Final Four teams in the 50's or 60's or if they really care about it. The hardest thing in life is being honest with yourself.

And finally, why am I over here? I'm in Calgary for business, tired of watching hockey, and figured I'd see if some on this board were dogging Xavier for only making the Sweet 16 in a rebuilding year. And just like clockwork, they were.

Congrats on getting to the sweet 16, eh.

But you might want to let some air out of that inflated head of yours for safety's sake.

(03-27-2009 12:59 PM)ncaaindy Wrote:  

(03-27-2009 12:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This thread is a microcosm of my feelings on X. Talented, fun team to watch. With a few noteable exceptions, zit faced dungeons and dragons playing trolls for fans.

For someone who has over 4,700 posts on a message board, you may want to evaluate what classifies as a troll. I am still waiting for one legitimate rebuttal for my original past. Facts are facts, and if you take out the emotional connection to your team, they don't change. I never said the past was irrelevant, I said right now UC is irrelevant, and they are. Ask any current or former Bearcat basketball player who played within the last five years if, besides Oscar Robertson, they know of any name on those past Final Four teams in the 50's or 60's or if they really care about it. The hardest thing in life is being honest with yourself.

And finally, why am I over here? I'm in Calgary for business, tired of watching hockey, and figured I'd see if some on this board were dogging Xavier for only making the Sweet 16 in a rebuilding year. And just like clockwork, they were.

The last thing anyone who roots for Miami should be doing is talking smack on a UC basketball board.

(03-27-2009 12:59 PM)ncaaindy Wrote:  For someone who has over 4,700 posts on a message board, you may want to evaluate what classifies as a troll. I am still waiting for one legitimate rebuttal for my original past. Facts are facts, and if you take out the emotional connection to your team, they don't change. I never said the past was irrelevant, I said right now UC is irrelevant, and they are. Ask any current or former Bearcat basketball player who played within the last five years if, besides Oscar Robertson, they know of any name on those past Final Four teams in the 50's or 60's or if they really care about it. The hardest thing in life is being honest with yourself.

And finally, why am I over here? I'm in Calgary for business, tired of watching hockey, and figured I'd see if some on this board were dogging Xavier for only making the Sweet 16 in a rebuilding year. And just like clockwork, they were.

may i now extend advice as one who extended applause to the muskies?

get your clock cleaned in calgary. and take care of business there, not here.

(03-27-2009 12:12 PM)ncaaindy Wrote:  

(03-27-2009 09:36 AM)chatcat Wrote:  

(03-27-2009 12:50 AM)ncaaindy Wrote:  

(03-27-2009 12:20 AM)ctipton Wrote:  

(03-26-2009 11:56 PM)ncaaindy Wrote:  

(03-26-2009 11:14 PM)ctipton Wrote:  [quote='ncaaindy' pid='4146446' dateline='1238121312']
Not to pile on, but a little facts. First off, noone cares about what happened in the 50's and 60's anymore. Get over it. If you compare histories for the past 20 years, you will discover the following. UC, 1 final four, 2 Elite eights, 1 Sweet 16 (I am not counting final 4 as elites 8, elite 8 as sweet 16, etc.) Xavier, 2 Elite eights, 1 Sweet 16 (same parameters). In the last 10 years, UC 1 sweet 16, Xavier 2 Elite eights. Care to give all those victories back when UC was dominating the "great" midwest. And acting like you're good because you're in a good league that kicks your butt every year is like saying my brother can beat up your brother. Who cares, you still get your butt kicked. How did the CBI treat you last year? How about never beating a higher seed in the NCAA tourney? How did those back to back late season collapses treat you. How'd that coach who mouths off all the time when he has absolutely nothing to back it up treat you. When you talk history, talk recent history, compare programs, and be honest with yourself. One program clearly outperforms the other. UC got hammered by both teams on the floor tonight. It cracks me up how noone cared about UC football until their basketball teams sucked, and all you guys are now "diehard" football fans. Enjoy packing in 5,000 fans every home game in that crappy on campus arena you have next year.

phuque off and die.

That's about as classy as it gets. By the way, never said a word about "doing it the right way", etc. Just talking strictly basketball. And I don't think any X fans want or expect UC fans to root for them.

You did not just talk strictly basketball. WTF is this? "How'd that coach who mouths off all the time when he has absolutely nothing to back it up treat you." or "Enjoy packing in 5,000 fans every home game in that crappy on campus arena you have next year." Go back to muskie madness and stay classy Xavier. As was perfectly iterated before : phuque off and die.

Who is this "noone" character you refer to? Oh, I get it, you mean no one. By the way, when XU has had the satisfaction of celebrating two national championships as I did, or is ranked in the top 15 basketball programs of all time, come talk to us.

In the meantime, you had better go do your 5th grade English homework.

Sorry I incorrectly spelled one word. I also forgot a few questions marks. I apologize for that. I'm sure every other post on this board, as well as all of yours, are perfectly correct in spelling, grammar, and punctuation. And again I will respectfully say, because obviously you are older in years if you actually celebrated those championships, no one (thanks for the spelling tip on that one) under 40 cares what happened in th 50's and 60's. No one (again, thanks) has refuted what I said in my original post, and the fact of the matter is that right now UC basketball is irrelevant. You can live in the past all you want, it doesn't change the present. Ask IU, UK, Arizona, and I'm sure numerous other past champion fan bases.

If UC is irrelevant then why are you here? Seems silly to spend so much time on something you say is "irrelevant."

If what our program did in the 50's and 60's doesn't mean anything; why do you keep bringing it up?

For all your IU/UK friends, who you say, do not care about UC, my IU/UK friends talk UC hoops all the time. We discuss BE, B10, SEC, ACC, PAC10, Big12 hoops all the time, rarely A10.

Facts are facts. One who knows what the word means, not you, knows that a fact is something irrefutable. UC being "irrelevant" would require 100% of anyone asked to come up with the same response. Something you will not find anywhere, except an x board or in your case a Miami board.

(03-27-2009 12:59 PM)ncaaindy Wrote:  

(03-27-2009 12:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This thread is a microcosm of my feelings on X. Talented, fun team to watch. With a few noteable exceptions, zit faced dungeons and dragons playing trolls for fans.

For someone who has over 4,700 posts on a message board, you may want to evaluate what classifies as a troll. I am still waiting for one legitimate rebuttal for my original past. Facts are facts, and if you take out the emotional connection to your team, they don't change. I never said the past was irrelevant, I said right now UC is irrelevant, and they are. Ask any current or former Bearcat basketball player who played within the last five years if, besides Oscar Robertson, they know of any name on those past Final Four teams in the 50's or 60's or if they really care about it. The hardest thing in life is being honest with yourself.

And finally, why am I over here? I'm in Calgary for business, tired of watching hockey, and figured I'd see if some on this board were dogging Xavier for only making the Sweet 16 in a rebuilding year. And just like clockwork, they were.

Indy, the funny thing is, you had the same opinion when UC was in the Final Four and winning in the 90's. Take your emotional connection with UC away and you will understand. Then again you seem like the slow one in the bunch, so maybe not.

(03-26-2009 09:34 PM)gruehls Wrote:  um, they were there. they won. twice. they took pitt to the wire.

what are we crowing about?

xu is clearly the dominant hoops team in cincy now.

they could beat the bengals 5 on 11.

give them their due.

Gruehls, thanks for the XU kudos. I just saw your post on Musketeer Madness, which I visit infrequently now since the xavierhoops board came about.

I saw your note about watching games at BW3s too late last week. If you're ever gonna be there around lunchtime again, let me know. It's not far from my work and lunch is on me.

Take care.

(03-27-2009 12:59 PM)ncaaindy Wrote:  

(03-27-2009 12:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This thread is a microcosm of my feelings on X. Talented, fun team to watch. With a few noteable exceptions, zit faced dungeons and dragons playing trolls for fans.

For someone who has over 4,700 posts on a message board, you may want to evaluate what classifies as a troll. I am still waiting for one legitimate rebuttal for my original past. Facts are facts, and if you take out the emotional connection to your team, they don't change. I never said the past was irrelevant, I said right now UC is irrelevant, and they are. Ask any current or former Bearcat basketball player who played within the last five years if, besides Oscar Robertson, they know of any name on those past Final Four teams in the 50's or 60's or if they really care about it. The hardest thing in life is being honest with yourself.

And finally, why am I over here? I'm in Calgary for business, tired of watching hockey, and figured I'd see if some on this board were dogging Xavier for only making the Sweet 16 in a rebuilding year. And just like clockwork, they were.

Not sure why or how you plucked the last 10 years as being "relevant" for comparing the records of UC and Xavier (OH).

Obviously, it has something to do with your age or life experience.

It's odd, when UC won the Big East championship in football all we heard from Pitt fans was "you're not relevant" as they posted historical "all time" top football program rankings and touted their national championships.

Now, you're telling us UC is not relevant in basketball because of the last 10 years.

Maybe young people enjoy the thrill of the argument. Maybe curve fitting data to prove your point excites you in some way, I dunno.

Either way, who was it that said youth is wasted on the young?

(03-27-2009 11:10 AM)beck Wrote:  Third wise man. Why don't you go watch a replay of beating up on the beast that is the Anal 10, then maybe you will feel better about things. Shine up your penny loafers and put on your ugzavier blue snuggie and go down to Dana's and cry with your friends.
Ugzavier doesn't need defending, and if they did, they wouldn't ask you to do it. They'd probably try to get someone with a measurable IQ to do it.

i don't really feel bad. at no point in the season did i think xavier would get beyond the second round. they didn't play all that well against wisconsin, but still won. they were awesome defensively last night, but so was pitt. on offense it was a different story. most of xu's shots were forced, and even when they worked to get an open shot, they often missed. to be honest i don't know how they shot the ball so poorly against a supposed powerhouse team, but yet almost beat them. had they just had a mediocre shooting night they would have won. with all the youth that xavier has, it's encouraging to think that they can play that poorly against a top five team, and yet almost win. that's a sign of how good they can be. pitt had a poor outside shooter take a ridiculously low percentage shot that was contested, and it went in. the chances of that happening have got to be less than ten percent. right before that if xu doesn't step out of bounds after the steal, they probably win. as poorly as they played offensively, they still had a great chance to win if just one of those things goes their way. last night's game was like a baseball game where both teams left about ten runners on base, or a beer pong game where neither team can hit the last cup despite getting about 20 tries each. both teams had a lot of missed opportunities, and had xavier cashed in on just a few of them they would have won, but if we had won then pitt would have easily been able to say the same thing about their missed opportunities. since i look at it that way, i'm not all that dissapointed.

....and i wasn't defending xavier. i never said anything about them or the loss to pitt until just now. if anything, i thought they were lucky to be there in the first place, much less nearly win. i was just pointing out that many uc fans completely miss the point of the final five, although i don't know how because it's not that hard to understand. i also found the "elite nine" to be funny, as it displays an inability to count. that's not defending xavier. it's pointing out ignorance.

3rd wise man, I used "Final 9" and "Final 17." Don't know if someone said "Elite 9." I used it in a joking manner. If a x fan makes a joke cannot a UC fan make a joke?

I thought it was in jest until a couple x friends told me they felt robbed and would not accept a mere Elite 8 designation. Maybe there are some x fans who used it in jest, however there are a large number who do not consider that an Elite 8 run but a Final 5. Individuals I have spoken with from OSU, UK, IN, have taken it as many on here have. Not trying to get into a pissing contest with you, but offer a different perspective.

i was getting elite nine from the thread title. we may have been in the final fifteen since purdue was eliminated before we were, but not the final nine, or elite nine.

i guess i'll take your word for it, but i know the person who originated the final five post on the atlantic ten board, and it was done completely in jest. he talked about having final five t-shirts printed up, and even ended it by saying "take THAT saint joe's." everyone on the board viewed it as a joke. i have also yet to meet a xavier fan that took it seriously as if it were actually a higher attainment than the elite eight, and i know quite a few xavier fans. the game was close, but it wasn't even the best game of the elite eight. lucas's shot for oklahoma state to beat saint joseph's, and kansas falling to georgia tech in overtime were actually closer. it was just the last game of the elite eight, and that's where "final five" comes from.

yes...but at the end of the day...

That is fine Wise Man. I think alot of people take it the same as some OSU fans saying "Thee" before their name. An old roommate of mine, OSU grad, was one of those individuals who thought x was arrogant for saying Final 5. I will take your word for it that it was in jest.

(03-27-2009 01:51 AM)3rd Wise Man Wrote:  there are morons, evidentally lots of them, that honestly think that the whole "final five" movement was an attempt to brag.

Do you know any Xavier fans? If you do than you know this isn’t an unreasonable assumption to make. If anything, it was the logical next step. While you can argue whether or not X has moved beyond the “mid-major” label (they haven’t and they won’t), there fan base is clearly, overwhelmingly, and categorically of “mid-major” quality.

(03-27-2009 01:51 AM)3rd Wise Man Wrote:  chowder head uc fans picked up on the final five statements, took them seriously, correctly pointed out how stupid it was, but completely missed the context.

Context. I suppose that would be useful but…

(03-27-2009 01:51 AM)3rd Wise Man Wrote:  "final five" was influenced more by wit than by brag. it was also originally directed at saint joseph's. they lost to oklahoma state in the elite eight. xavier lost to duke in the elite eight. xavier fans JOKINGLY said that since they made it farther in the tournament (again, JOKINGLY) we made it to the "final five" then we were the better team.

Ah ha! I now understand the “JOKE”. But now it’s not funny. It was much funnier when little brother was bragging about being the fifth best tourney team. A statement like that is SO ABSURD that IT CAN’T HELP BUT BE FUNNY. But to think that the punchline is “…[X] made it to the "final five" then [X] were the better team [then St. Joes].” That’s just not funny. Maybe it’s a “mid-major” thing.

(03-27-2009 01:51 AM)3rd Wise Man Wrote:  the more you talk about xavier, the dumber you sound, especially when you reference the "final five" which the entire nation seemed to understand and appreciate other than uc.

Now that’s funny. Why is it funny? Because a statement like that is SO ABSURD that IT CAN’T HELP BUT BE FUNNY. The “entire nation” doesn’t give a got damn about X, in fact, most of Cincy doesn’t give a got damn about X. Let’s not get carried away shall we?

(03-27-2009 01:51 AM)3rd Wise Man Wrote:  in case you're wondering, saint joseph's, who was the original butt of the final five joke, has since become in on the joke. they laugh at uc's missing of the obvious as well.

It’s funny that you mentioned this because I was just wondering if it were possible for one mid-major to make a joke at the expense of another mid-major, only for that joke to be turned onto a Major College Basketball team which would enable the two mid-majors, the joker and the original butt of the “Joke”, to share a laugh? I now know the answer and honestly I thought it would be a little more satisfying.

(03-27-2009 02:18 PM)Xpectations Wrote:  Gruehls, thanks for the XU kudos. I just saw your post on Musketeer Madness, which I visit infrequently now since the xavierhoops board came about.

I saw your note about watching games at BW3s too late last week. If you're ever gonna be there around lunchtime again, let me know. It's not far from my work and lunch is on me.

Take care.

good to see you again, xman.

you take care as well.

(03-27-2009 04:41 PM)3rd Wise Man Wrote:  i was getting elite nine from the thread title. we may have been in the final fifteen since purdue was eliminated before we were, but not the final nine, or elite nine.

i guess i'll take your word for it, but i know the person who originated the final five post on the atlantic ten board, and it was done completely in jest. he talked about having final five t-shirts printed up, and even ended it by saying "take THAT saint joe's." everyone on the board viewed it as a joke. i have also yet to meet a xavier fan that took it seriously as if it were actually a higher attainment than the elite eight, and i know quite a few xavier fans. the game was close, but it wasn't even the best game of the elite eight. lucas's shot for oklahoma state to beat saint joseph's, and kansas falling to georgia tech in overtime were actually closer. it was just the last game of the elite eight, and that's where "final five" comes from.

enough.

about to be 2 wise men, and you're not invited.

(03-27-2009 12:59 PM)ncaaindy Wrote:  

(03-27-2009 12:47 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This thread is a microcosm of my feelings on X. Talented, fun team to watch. With a few noteable exceptions, zit faced dungeons and dragons playing trolls for fans.

For someone who has over 4,700 posts on a message board, you may want to evaluate what classifies as a troll. I am still waiting for one legitimate rebuttal for my original past. Facts are facts, and if you take out the emotional connection to your team, they don't change. I never said the past was irrelevant, I said right now UC is irrelevant, and they are. Ask any current or former Bearcat basketball player who played within the last five years if, besides Oscar Robertson, they know of any name on those past Final Four teams in the 50's or 60's or if they really care about it. The hardest thing in life is being honest with yourself.

And finally, why am I over here? I'm in Calgary for business, tired of watching hockey, and figured I'd see if some on this board were dogging Xavier for only making the Sweet 16 in a rebuilding year. And just like clockwork, they were.

Nothin like a Miami fan coming over here and talking crap about UC. If UC is irrelevent then what is Miami? It's now 19 years since the last time Miami beat UC. Congrats.

A miami pop collar in Canada coming to a UC board to talk smack about X.

Good Lord. Too much material there to tackle in just one thread.

Quote:there fan base is clearly, overwhelmingly, and categorically of “mid-major” quality

now that i won't argue with.

Quote:about to be 2 wise men, and you're not invited.

fair enough. the 3rd wise man isn't difinitive anyway. i think everyone agrees on jack and jimmy for the first two, but as for the third, some like jose and some like johnnie. i guess sweet sixteen games with the wise men can cause one to get carried away, but better to be carried away inside cyberspace than outside of it.

The entire nation understood the Final Five thing? UC fans missed the context? I guess as a mid-major fan yourself you are sensitive to getting picked on by the big conferences but your comments are high handed.
If you are bored in Calgary you must be afraid to have a good time, and you also must love the excitement that is Oxford.
I like Ox, I hope it never changes.

Finally, do you lurk on the ugzavier sites where they bang on UC? I doubt it.

ps Watched MU hockey on espn 2 last night. I think they are going to a regional final.