Tigeer Wrote:There are some who might say the program got what it deserved for running off Coach Stobart after 3 straight 6-5 seasons. His DC Tim Rose might think that. After all, he turned down the Head Coach job when they offered it to him.


There had to be more to the Stobart story than was made public. Those teams were more talented, especially on the defensive side of the ball, and played much tougher schedules than the Tiger teams have the last 3-4 years IMHO.

I was not one of those who wanted Stobart fired - in my opinion, he was a damned good football coach. But I was in a very small minority - there were thousands of "experts" demanding his head. I think Tommy West is a better fit for Memphis, but they are/were both excellent coaches in their own way.

Got to admitt, one of the few times in life that ever wanted a coach fired, was the snow game in Cinn. where the Tigers jumped out to a 14/0 lead in the snow, well Stobart put it on the ground and running the ball, when the db's could not cover any rec. due to the snow..
and all know the rest of the story......

PS on top of wanting him fired for that game, I also want him to have to walk back to Memphis

WaywardMemphian Wrote:One more loss to ASU should do it.

Tell us why your Hog$ duck ASU, and why your bunch never played the game they owe us in Football.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

GoTigersGo10 Wrote:I am a huge UofM supporter but recently have had enough of Tommy.

Are you saying you are a discontented lard-ass?

I'm saying I sometimes think you are R.C. himself. Be content with losing to the Sunbelt then.

RCM1029 Wrote:I'm just answering your questions with other questions, oldtiger, and not pointing anything at you directly.

oldtiger Wrote:How many coaches that went 6-2 in their conference were fired last year? How many coaches went 6-2 in their conference but lost three games to teams from the SunBelt conference?

How many coaches that took 30 year bowl draught programs to 5 bowls in 6 years (or whatever the string is) were fired last year? 4 bowls in 5 years, and that's a step in the right direction. When is it okay for fans to start expecting the next steps to be taken?

Seriously, why is it OK for folks to call for Tommy's head on a regular basis, but it's not OK for folks that don't want him fired to defend him? It's a two-way street as far as I'm concerned...both camps should be able to speak their voice without being called "lard-ass", "malcontents", "idiots", "morons" or being accused of wearing blue shades and drinking blue koolaid.

Why can only one voice be heard? I hear you.

Why can't well intentioned long time fans who appreciate where we've come from not speak their opinion without being demonized by some? Agree...and at the same time why can't well-intentioned long time fans who appreciate where we've come from not express their desire for better results without being subjected to the "you're not a true fan" comment?

In many cases pot is clearly calling the kettle black in this instance.

Passionate debate is a great - though oftentimes forgotten and abused - benefit of messageboards such as this.

Gray Avenger is immature and always goes to name calling...we should all be used to that by now. Attacks everyone personally if you have an opinion that does not support his.

GoTigersGo10 Wrote:Gray Avenger is immature and always goes to name calling...we should all be used to that by now. Attacks everyone personally if you have an opinion that does not support his.

Seems to me that is what you are doing. The only people I "attack" are those who publicly make unfounded assertions which are harmful to my alma mater.

Tommy needs to get some of his Scotland golfing buddies to become supporters of his program just like Cal has mobilized. One in particular could easily help. He doesn't live too far away, but alas, his allegiances lie with another area school.

As Strat noted, it takes serious money to run a successful D1A football program.

The Administration has not commited to facilities and the boosters have not stepped up like they should. This has been going on for DECADES.

People want results but are not willing to do what it takes to get the results they want. This is true in business, in personal relationships, and in building college football programs.

I wonder how many posters complaining and calling for West to be fired or on the hot seat for this season donate money and time to the TIGER football program?

I mean beyond the mere purchase of season tickets. Have you joined the Highland Hundred? Have you donated to the University foundation and earmarked the gift for football? Do you contribute to the TSF? Most do for basketball seating priority.

It's a rhetorical question since the answer is clearly NOT ENOUGH do.

I would encourage people to look in the mirror and honestly ask themselves if they are personally doing what they can reasonably do to support the football program. By that I mean within the bounds of one's family obligations and personal financial situation.

It is much easier to tear something down than to build it up.

Many people here are very good at the former and quite deficient at the latter.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

GoTigersGo10 Wrote:Gray Avenger is immature and always goes to name calling...we should all be used to that by now. Attacks everyone personally if you have an opinion that does not support his.

Seems to me that is what you are doing. The only people I "attack" are those who publicly make unfounded assertions which are harmful to my alma mater.

I assert that your "with us or against us" attitude is harmful to the University of Memphis. You drive off more people than you bring in.

DDrum1961 Wrote:West knows how to win and recruit at a University with D1 facilities

If that is the case then why is he not coaching at Clemson with a National Championship.

He has already proven he can't be successful when given what he needs. If he could then he wouldn't be here.

oldtiger Wrote:Every point has a counter point, and I understand the reasoning for your questions. What is missing here is a respect for others' opinions. It's hard to change anyone's opinion when the terms idiiot/moron/KoolAid Drinker/true fan/etc are used over and over in the discussions.

I will say that I have been doing my best lately to show respect oldtiger. I know I and others have used those names towards you and the ones who agree with you in a negative form. Unless someone first calls me a name, I refrain from using one of the above. Too bad boss man, callem as i see em, and others can't show the same respect.

tigerjeb Wrote:

Tigeer Wrote:

Herff Tiger Wrote:There are some who might say the program got what it deserved for running off Coach Stobart after 3 straight 6-5 seasons. His DC Tim Rose might think that. After all, he turned down the Head Coach job when they offered it to him.

There had to be more to the Stobart story than was made public. Those teams were more talented, especially on the defensive side of the ball, and played much tougher schedules than the Tiger teams have the last 3-4 years IMHO.

yep there was. i was sorry for bailey. i was not for stobart.

I thought Bailey got in IRS trouble over football camp money, or something like that. Personal trouble, not tied to the program. Maybe I'm dreaming. I guess you're talking about him being fired because of NCAA issues under Dockery which weren't pursued after he was killed, so when the next problem came up, someone had to pay.

As far as Stobart, what I heard from fairly close to the situation was that there were behavior issues which irked/embarassed some boosters, that he flat didn't get along with some important ones, and that there were some things that, to be judicious, could be said to be a culture clash between upper midwest and southern social sensibilities. The waning attendance, failure to break through, player problems, and declining $$ support were large and legitimate reasons, but the extra behind-the-scenes issues tipped the cart, as I understand it. But hey, he went on to the Off Coord position at Ohio State, so it didn't hurt him too bad.

Herff Tiger Wrote:

tigerjeb Wrote:

Tigeer Wrote:

Herff Tiger Wrote:There are some who might say the program got what it deserved for running off Coach Stobart after 3 straight 6-5 seasons. His DC Tim Rose might think that. After all, he turned down the Head Coach job when they offered it to him.

There had to be more to the Stobart story than was made public. Those teams were more talented, especially on the defensive side of the ball, and played much tougher schedules than the Tiger teams have the last 3-4 years IMHO.

yep there was. i was sorry for bailey. i was not for stobart.

I thought Bailey got in IRS trouble over football camp money, or something like that. Personal trouble, not tied to the program. Maybe I'm dreaming. I guess you're talking about him being fired because of NCAA issues under Dockery which weren't pursued after he was killed, so when the next problem came up, someone had to pay.

As far as Stobart, what I heard from fairly close to the situation was that there were behavior issues which irked/embarassed some boosters, that he flat didn't get along with some important ones, and that there were some things that, to be judicious, could be said to be a culture clash between upper midwest and southern social sensibilities. The waning attendance, failure to break through, player problems, and declining $$ support were large and legitimate reasons, but the extra behind-the-scenes issues tipped the cart, as I understand it. But hey, he went on to the Off Coord position at Ohio State, so it didn't hurt him too bad.

I think Stobart was from the Ohio Valley, not the upper midwest, but I am sure the same applies.

Is he still at OSU?

Tigeer Wrote:I think Stobart was from the Ohio Valley, not the upper midwest, but I am sure the same applies.

Is he still at OSU?

Negative.

I guess my whole issue with the facilities for the last 30 years argument is that was the last 30 years. Everybody has to do their part. Am I happy losing to sunbelt team, no. Do I think Tommy has kept his end of the bargin so far, Yes. Tommy has done something no body else has been able to do and I commend him for that. Now is as good a time as any for Tommy and RC to step up and go get some boosters to give money. If they dont start doing SOMETHING, we are going to be here in 10 years(assuming conway has not kicked us all out) discussing this. If it takes 10 years to get the donations built up, that is fine. If we would have had foresight to do this 20-30 years ago we would not be here discussing now.

Everyone is bitching and not doing anything about it. We are doomed to fail if the actions do not change. I dont give a damn about why someone did not do something back then. I want them to learn and lets get action. If RC chooses to do nothing then we will get what we have always had, and that IS unacceptable. Cal wont accept failure, why should our admin? All the arguments in the past have done a great job havn't they?

I have been down on Tommy in the past, but at some point, you do have to look at the school and ask what the he!! are they doing to help him out. Tommy has lost to a lot of team he should not have, but in 10 years, do we care about who we beat? I dont remember who we played 10 years ago unless it was a heartbreaker or an amazing victory.

Just my 2 cents.
Jeff

bailey was fired over the james macklin summer job overpayment (1989). right on the heels of 1986 penalty (the pell grant mess). when the macklin situation came up, bailey told macklin to lie. that combined with the ncaa branding the university as a repeat offender sealed his fate.

https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/LSDBi/LSD...=Go+Search

RCM1029 Wrote:

Tigeer Wrote:I think Stobart was from the Ohio Valley, not the upper midwest, but I am sure the same applies.

Is he still at OSU?

Negative.

I think he went out with the previous head coach (John Cooper?). But he may have been ready to retire anyway. I think I remember him being 63 his last season at Memphis. On one Sunday night coach's show, Wolo asked him a question and he said something like "Aw, I'm just a gruff old football coach. That's for younger people to worry about. I'm 63 and about ready to be put out to pasture."

Tommy West is Tiger Football right now. I agree with Bossman about supporting TW and The Tigers with donations. Tommy is not the one keeping the football program from reaching the next level. I bought my four season ticket already and have made my other donations. Bottom line is I'm in it to support Tiger Football and Tommy West. Count me as a supporter.

covingtontiger Wrote:

Claw Wrote:There is no need to change coaches if we aren't going to upgrade the facilities. As far as I'm concerned, Tommy is the man until something happens on the stadium front. If he's still losing then, we can revisit the topic.

:iagree:

That's the chicken or the egg argument. Maybe with a new exciting coach the facilities can become a reality. Maybe going to the New Orleans and Mobile bowls three out of the next five years the facilities don't become a reality. Compare: Before Calipari and after Calipari. It can be done.

I'd say that yes, this year for Tommy to put up or shut up.

Every team deals with injuries, everyone gave him a break for the season following the heart surgery. He's had time for his recruiting classes to mature and have experienced players in all key positions.

Tiger46 Wrote:

covingtontiger Wrote:

Claw Wrote:There is no need to change coaches if we aren't going to upgrade the facilities. As far as I'm concerned, Tommy is the man until something happens on the stadium front. If he's still losing then, we can revisit the topic.

:iagree:

That's the chicken or the egg argument. Maybe with a new exciting coach the facilities can become a reality. Maybe going to the New Orleans and Mobile bowls three out of the next five years the facilities don't become a reality. Compare: Before Calipari and after Calipari. It can be done.

I'd say that yes, this year for Tommy to put up or shut up.

Every team deals with injuries, everyone gave him a break for the season following the heart surgery. He's had time for his recruiting classes to mature and have experienced players in all key positions.

:iagree: