clpack Wrote:

BarkBoard Wrote:...they still need to not sterotype Fresno State fans.

LOL...please refer to your post that started this thread. ;-)

I think all schools have fans that take one or two comments as representing a general opinion.

BTW, why do so few Fresno St fans post here? I know some tried to help get Yoda's board going, but that effort appears to be on hold for now.

Maybe they'll reappear when the MWC board gets back up and running.

BarkBoard Wrote:I don't know what you are talking about erdaaggie but you have always lumped most Fresno State fans together in saying we want to bolt to the MWC and you even blamed specifically Fresno State for Tulsa, UTEP and Rice leaving the WAC. You and other Utah State fans have done this and to not admit it would by lying. (ie: ejmpalle)


I will also admit that I got caught up in the MWC hype awhile back but NEVER did I bash the WAC nor was I the one clamoring for an invite. They have declined Fresno State and Hawai'i twice now and we just have to move on but that isn't to say they don't bring stability or a better regional rivalry for Fresno State.



If you are wondering Fresno State signed a pact to stay in the WAC which Benson wanted. It was other schools that didn't go along this route. Continuing to blame Fresno State by their fans comments is ignorance.


Yes there was a comment made by Cleveland that mentioned he would be an ambassador to the MWC for Fresno State. It would be foolish to not seek options for our future just like you have done with joining the WAC.



nvspuds does bring up some good points though.

Let it go regarding Fresno State wanting a MWC invite. The same could be said about BSU, Hawai'i or Utah State.


Utah State has always had my respect in BB but they still need to not sterotype Fresno State fans.

I'm calling you out here. I NEVER EVER EVER EVER blamed Fresno State for Tulsa, Rice, and UTEP leaving. I never posted that on BarkBoard or anywhere else. Find it and I will admit I'm wrong. Those schools left on their own and blaming Fresno would be naive. I have defended USU when SOME of your fans were feeling sorry for themselves about the new additions. But I also have very clearly stated that I didn't know how USU would do in hoops this year because we are in a new league. I do remember telling ejmpalle that on BarkBoard because we didn't know how we would stack up in a new league Here is where I said some of the same things on this board.

http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/wac/phpbb/...=9983#9983

I also have NEVER been upset at Fresno State for having MWC aspirations. I'm serious here and I'll prove it. Here in this post I admit that many WAC schools have MWC hopes, and USU (the administration) is no exception. This is on Yoda's board.

http://www.westsports.com/forums/index.p...c=146&st=0

These are all my quotes and I won't take them out of context.

Quote:This is my question. Why are you so upset that USU is in the WAC?

Quote:So why are you so upset that we joined? (Not that you had much choice.)

Quote:I also want to make it clear that I have no problem with a team leaving if an invite were ever extended. If USU was offered a spot, (though it will never happen unless somehow we guaranteed a BCS berth, something no team in the west could guarantee outside of USC, or if BYU and Utah were no longer there,) we would go. USU's administration would pull the trigger on it, as would any WAC school's so I don't have a huge problem with that.

Quote:So when I see WAC posters putting USU down, it hits a nerve a little. We've put up with it for 40 years, just like Fresno has for the past 8 years and we don't want to hear it from our own league mates. So just try not to bag on USU too much with teams that we don't like. I know our football has been bad, but every team has rough times. I guess my point is that we are glad to be here, we are committed to improving the league, and we want to succeed.

Quote:As I have said, every WAC school would join the MWC if given the chance. It is not a matter for the fans, but for college presidents. The 3 SBC schools are no exception. USU and NMSU tried for 4 decades to get into the WAC, and we were never successful until the MWC was formed. Part of it was looking for new markets, and some was politics by our neighbors (UTEP, UNM, BYU, and Utah.) So I have no problem with teams looking for more lucrative pastures, which the MWC currently is.

Quote:However you guys need to realize that we did take a risk joining the WAC, and you should at least be grateful that there wasn't the formation of a 16 team league with La Monroe, Troy, and MTSU in the eastern division. As unglamorous as USU football has been that would have been worse for you. You guys really have no other long term options than to build this league.

Secondly let me say one thing. Here is a quote from an earlier post of mine in this thread.

Quote:HOWEVER they are the most critical of the WAC of any group I've seen in the league. That is always where my beef has lied, not with any team wanting to move to another league.

I did not specifically single you out because you actually haven't done this as much, but as a group Fresno's fans hate the WAC more than any others. I haven't looked on BarkBoard lately but there and on the old MWC board there were many that were having a pity party about being in the WAC. That cannot be disputed even though you were not involved. I would challenge you to prove otherwise. I have just done the same.

As for most Fresno fans and you in particular, I hold no malice. I just don't like the WAC bashing that many of your fans do. And if you want I can SHOW where I said that.

BarkBoard Wrote:... You and other Utah State fans have done this and to not admit it would by lying. (ie: ejmpalle)
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Utah State has always had my respect in BB but they still need to not sterotype Fresno State fans.

First of all, CLPack, I believe, made a good point as to why more Fresno St fans aren't posting here. I remember the old owl board and I remember a lot of Fresno St fans posting there. Why did they discontinue posting on a WAC board once the "newbies" were a part of the WAC and the owl board went down? That is the real question you must answer about your co-fans.

As for you individually, I have no idea. You post as Bark Board, I would assume to promote the Bark Board, on this board. Are you richcali on the scout board? I'm assuming you are. If so, I have no problem with you personally. However, one gets the general feeling from the posters on Bark Board that Fresno St fans kiss the MWC's feet. I don't get that same general feeling from other boards, all though, broncocountry comes close sometimes.

Now, one thing we all have to realize, including Nevada fans, is that Utah St fans generally very much despise everything to do with the MWC as long as BYU and Utah are a part of it. Fresno St fans can't understand our perspective, because they haven't worn our shoes for over 30 years. Nor can Nevada fans, nor can Boise St fans, nor can any other. Hawaii fans are the only fans that can even get a slight feel for how Utah St fans feel regarding the MWC. They had been members of the old WAC with Utah and BYU for much longer than any of us and BYU and Utah dropped them without even blinking. On top of that, Hawaii fans all ready hated BYU more than just about any other school.

I'm only touching the first layer of snow on the top of the iceberg here. Just get over it, Bark Board. Utah St fans hate the MWC. Most Fresno St fans that I've been associated with love the MWC. We were bound to not get along from the beginning because of that alone. I cherish any decent relationship that I establish with Fresno St fans, but they are few and far between. While I've had a blast getting to know Nevada fans, SJSU fans, Hawaii fans, Boise St fans, La Tech fans yada yada. It's no mistake that many Fresno St fans have been reluctant to have any relationships with any of us "newbies". judonomi is one of the posters on bark board that I prefer the most, but there aren't a great deal of others. Again, the main question you should ask yourself is why more of them don't post here. This is a question that must be answered. The current members of the WAC need a place they can call home. This place seems just as good as any. Why aren't Fresno St fans looking for a home with WAC fans? It seems to me that they are more confortable with MWC fans. I couldn't feel more unconfortable with MWC fans, to say the least.

Interesting threads on Barkboard. And these are just the one's on the first page. Let's see what the Fresno fans as a group have to say.

http://mb33.scout.com/ffresnostatefrm1.s...=1&stop=20

Quote:At least two Threads ongoing on the future of the WAC.
Assuming that the Pac 10 invite is not going to happen,
what should the WAC do now ??
Sit pat & wait for the MWC to see the light.
Expand to 10 & invite Montana (or other)
Invite CalPoly, UCDavis & Portland State & get to 12
Invite SDSU, NMSU & UNLV & get to 12 (or other)
Wait & explore forming a new Super MM Conf worthy of the BCS

Quote:Take the top 24 middies nationally to form two 12-team conferences. Flush all middies not identified to D-IAA or to purgatory, take your pick.

WESTERN NON-BCS CONFERENCE:
Boise St.
Fresno St.
BYU
Utah
SDSU
TCU
UTEP
Houston
Nevada
Hawaii
New Mexico
Colorado St.

Quote:With us and BSU, the MWC would be the best MM conference by far. I can't believe they didn't renew their ESPN deal. Who in their right mind could have thought that CSTV was a good idea? At this point we might as well stay in the WAC. We're getting more exposure than the MWC teams as it is.

Maybe the WAC should boot everyone but Fresno State and BSU, and add all the MWC teams except UNLV. We would still have the WAC ESPN deal AND we could play a stronger conference schedule. Hmmm...

And another thread

http://mb33.scout.com/ffresnostatefrm1.s...=1&stop=20

Quote:Or subtracted? Drop everyone but Fresno St and Boise St and add the Pac-10!

Quote:The WAC is $hit-tacular with 9 teams...adding three more is going to further reduce RPI, and end up dividing an already pathetic revenue pot. Add one for basketball purposes, but stay at 9 for football.

Quote:best case scenario we with boise move to the PAC 12 or MWC.

Quote:I'd like to see the nation's top 30 non-BCS programs
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. . . form three 10-team regional conferences. Leave the rest to form their own conferences, go independent, demote in NCAA divisional status, or disappear, take your pick.

By "top 30", I mean those 30 non-BCS which fare the best in relation to four fundamentals:

1. Long-term performance in football and MBB
2. Market size, both gross and as impacted by competition within that market for the entertainment dollar
3. A.D. budget
4. Existing facilities/infrastructure

Quote:Montana, Montana State, North Texas
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All three teams are comperable with our lower tiered programs in the WAC

Quote: Re: Hold a SECRET meeting
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My CONCERN with this approach is what would the MWC do in return?....Invite Fresno, Boise and Nevada to MWC?

If so, hmmm, maybe it's a good idea!

Quote:would the incentive $$ come from, it seems to me we are already pi$$ poor. I'm sure those MWC teams are just drooling to get their share of the WAC TV & Bowl game revenue sharing.

And yet another thread on the first page.

http://mb33.scout.com/ffresnostatefrm1.s...7029.topic

Quote:Looking forward to rapid improvement from SJSU and the Sun Belt refugees. Or . . . looking forward to a new conference. Take your pick.

Quote:the only one of these teams that i see improvement in is idaho and that is until DE leaves for greener pastures in a BCS conferance

Granted there were a couple that defended the WAC (not many though.) It seems that my initial presumption was correct that as a group of internet posters, you more than any other loathe affilitation with this conference.

BarkBoard Wrote:were touting how they would win the WAC and dominate the conference. (since their fans are die-hard BB fans)

I told them it wouldn't be that easy.



I still say La-Tech wins it all.

Nevada wins the tourny.


NMSU is the suprise team of the year!

As far as Utah St fans saying that they were going to win the WAC in BB, I have no idea what you are smoking here. I've been saying all along that Nevada would end up in first place. If you'd like proof, feel free to dig into the archives of Stew's forum on the ustateags board. It's not worth my time to dig up the links. Further, Utah St could easily finish 12-4 in the WAC and end up in first place. So for those one or two Aggie fans, if they exist, they may end up being right on the money, because Utah St would have the tie breaker between Nevada and La Tech.

Not smoking anything actually.


Just was suprised to see the brash Utah State fans calling out Fresno State fans over their opinions about the MWC.



I personally don't see a problem with it but in reality I would say it's about half and half wanting a MWC invite and I have been on The Bark Board a very long time.


The WAC has been great for Fresno State but as a conference we have taken a few steps back and have let the MWC dictate our next moves and or leverage. Granted they left for CSTV but we are now getting the "scraps" of the former MWC contract they had on ESPN.


If the invite came to anyone of our present Wac schools there would be no loyalty. Sad to say it but it's true.


Not sure why they aren't many Fresno State fans here but I think most Wac fans left with the closure of owlzone.com (Woods' former site)


- richcali1

BarkBoard Wrote:Not smoking anything actually.


Just was suprised to see the brash Utah State fans calling out Fresno State fans over their opinions about the MWC.



I personally don't see a problem with it but in reality I would say it's about half and half wanting a MWC invite and I have been on The Bark Board a very long time.


The WAC has been great for Fresno State but as a conference we have taken a few steps back and have let the MWC dictate our next moves and or leverage. Granted they left for CSTV but we are now getting the "scraps" of the former MWC contract they had on ESPN.


If the invite came to anyone of our present Wac schools there would be no loyalty. Sad to say it but it's true.


Not sure why they aren't many Fresno State fans here but I think most Wac fans left with the closure of owlzone.com (Woods' former site)


- richcali1

But I am saying it now. Sorry for having faith in my team. All I know is that when USU played Fresno St. in football, I lost all respect for the Fresno St. posters that came over to our board. Notice I did NOT say I lost respect for Fresno St or their fans....just the punks that felt the need to come over and act like they were 3. Fact is....EVERY school has those fans. Why are we wasting so much time on a silly subject as this?

spuds, you blame USU but who started this thread to slam USU? As far as the inclusion of Idaho I have been a huge supporter of Idaho in the WAC, so have most USU fans.

I can think of one USU fan openly critical of Idaho, and atleast one Nevada fan, and a couple Fresno fans, and mostly Boise State fans which is kind of understandable considering the rivalry between the two schools.

Sheesh why can't we all get along. Every school here has a few jerks.

As for my opinion I am glad NMSU is in the WAC. It is the best fit for NMSU both in terms of geography, exposure, and competitiveness of the teams.

I don't care about being in either CUSA or the Mountain West. The WAC is where it is at. However if the Big 12 or Pac-10 came calling then I would gladly join those conferences. Anything else would be a lateral move at best.

couldn't , I have never had trouble registering anywhere until I tried to register here .

I don't see what's wrong with wanting what's best for your team , specially when in football , the WAC was looking like crap (yes I know a conference we couldn't win ) , but I do have a problem with bashing conference mates on other boards like some of our fans did and I do apologize for that .

I know I don't want to post somewhere where were not wanted and it seems like there's a lot of Fresno bashing here , it might be due to some of our own fans speaking out against our own conference .

Anyway , I am very happy with the way basketball and some of the other sports are shaping out and I'm hoping that football really starts to improve at the bottom of the WAC , we're regarded pretty low in terms of football and I would love to see that changed .

Go Dogs , Go WAC .

BTW , I don't want a MWC invite anymore I hope it doesn't come .