Gray Avenger Wrote:(1) Winning close games

(2) Teams improve as the season progresses

(1) There shouldnt be close games against the caliber opponents we are playing

(2) Pop Warner teams could improve playing UAB, Marshall, and SMU

RandyMc Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

RandyMc Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:GA, you are such a happy clapper. People can be fans and still be critical of the coaching staff. The sun does not shine out of TW's butt. He turned around the season becuase we're playing cream puffs, not necessarily because we're performing better.

Beating a bunch of creampuffs is nothing to brag about.

Beat some BCS schools in the OOC, and then start bragging.

If you think this is fun you should read this guy's thoughts on politics.

I like clapping happy.

And just like your politics, you embrace mediocrity.

Ha! I knew you didn't have me on "ignore".

You mean to tell me there is an ignore feature?!?! That would explain a few of my provocative posts not getting answered.

geosnooker2000 Wrote:You mean to tell me there is an ignore feature?!?! That would explain a few of my provocative posts not getting answered.

Yes...I just discovered the ignore feature yesterday. I slept like a baby last night.

RCM1029 Wrote:

geosnooker2000 Wrote:You mean to tell me there is an ignore feature?!?! That would explain a few of my provocative posts not getting answered.

Yes...I just discovered the ignore feature yesterday. I slept like a baby last night.

Where is it located?

Except for those who are merely trolls and perhaps a few who might not be "playing with a full deck", I assume it is safe to say that most of us here want the same thing for Tiger football: perennial top 25 teams and maybe even a national championship in our lifetimes. The differences are as follows:

(1) How easy you think that is to achieve. To my mind, the current struggles of programs such as Notre Dame, Nebraska and Alabama despite all their advantages in money, tradition and favorable perception indicate that it is easier said than done.

(2) How selfish you are. I think a lot of those who are critical of the schedule, really care more about their own entertainment than what is best for the program. We cannot reasonably do anything about the conference portion of the schedule. The out-of-conference schedule is purposely set to give us a realistic opportunity of finishing undefeated and playing in a BCS bowl. Accomplishing that would be a huge step forward and in my opinion, it is a smart plan.

(3) Whether or not you think there is an available man who is not only a better coach but a better fit for our school and this community than Tommy West. I don't think there is.

(4) Whether you think coaching is the only problem we have - I don't. In fact, I don't think we currently have any coaching problems at all. Our problems are poor perception, lukewarm fan support, lack of BCS affiliation, the divided loyalties of the community, unsupportive media and local government among others).

(5) Whether you listen to the negativity constantly spewed forth by our enemies.

Gray Avenger Wrote:Except for those who are merely trolls and perhaps a few who might not be "playing with a full deck", I assume it is safe to say that most of us here want the same thing for Tiger football: perennial top 25 teams and maybe even a national championship in our lifetimes. The differences are as follows:

(1) How easy you think that is to achieve. To my mind, the current struggles of programs such as Notre Dame, Nebraska and Alabama despite all their advantages in money, tradition and favorable perception indicate that it is easier said than done.

(2) How selfish you are. I think a lot of those who are critical of the schedule, really care more about their own entertainment than what is best for the program. We cannot reasonably do anything about the conference portion of the schedule. The out-of-conference schedule is purposely set to give us a realistic opportunity of finishing undefeated and playing in a BCS bowl. Accomplishing that would be a huge step forward and in my opinion, it is a smart plan.

(3) Whether or not you think there is an available man who is not only a better coach but a better fit for our school and this community than Tommy West. I don't think there is.

(4) Whether you think coaching is the only problem we have - I don't. In fact, I don't think we currently have any coaching problems at all. Our problems are poor perception, lukewarm fan support, lack of BCS affiliation, the divided loyalties of the community, unsupportive media and local government among others).

(5) Whether you listen to the negativity constantly spewed forth by our enemies.

You are so correct oh MIGHTY ONE! :ncaabbs:
If thou can bringeth the Mighty Future Tiger to our mist once again maybe we shall all see the way. :ncaabbs:

Call me a happy clapper (and proud of it), call me settling for mediocrity, call me old, old fashion, without imagination,etc, etc, etc. --- but we're better than we were 10 years ago, 8 years ago, 6 years ago. We've will have 4 bowls in 5 years and a minimum of 32 wins in those 5 years. I don't know off of the top of my head, but I'd imagine that you would have to go bact 30 years to find that many wins in a 5 year period.

Understanding where we've come from, I'm very proud of where we are RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE, TODAY. Many of us have seen the pits of college football and are thankful to be where we are today.

Do I want us to get better? Absolutely.

Am I concerned about where we are now? No way.

Do we have a good coach in place? Don't the above facts about wins and bowls speak for themselves? Of course we have a good coach in place, look at where he's taken us from.

TigerBill Wrote:Ya know, being happy is a wonderful thing. Being positive, being an optimist. You might try it sometime, except happiness makes it hard to be miserable. I'm happy we are bowl eligible. But, like so many others, you offer no alternatives, you merely criticize.

Well, not me. I'm too happy for that.

I got excited when the basketball team beat UConn.

I didn't give a tinker's damn when they beat UT-Martin.

Going 6-5 against inferior competion isn't as much fun as going 6-5 against tough competition.

But hey, if a few of you enjoy setting your expectations low so be it.

Are we better than 10 years ago? I'm not so sure. Some of Stobart's teams would beat the heck out of this year's team. They didn't have the benefit of conference membership and 64 available bowl bids.

oldtiger Wrote:Call me a happy clapper (and proud of it), call me settling for mediocrity, call me old, old fashion, without imagination,etc, etc, etc. --- but we're better than we were 10 years ago, 8 years ago, 6 years ago. We've will have 4 bowls in 5 years and a minimum of 32 wins in those 5 years. I don't know off of the top of my head, but I'd imagine that you would have to go bact 30 years to find that many wins in a 5 year period.

Understanding where we've come from, I'm very proud of where we are RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE, TODAY. Many of us have seen the pits of college football and are thankful to be where we are today.

Do I want us to get better? Absolutely.

Am I concerned about where we are now? No way.

Do we have a good coach in place? Don't the above facts about wins and bowls speak for themselves? Of course we have a good coach in place, look at where he's taken us from.

Many Tiger teams that went 3-8 back in the 80s/90s or even Rex's teams that went 1-10 would have won 7 against this pitiful schedule. That is how you should gauge this team's accomplishments. Thinking like that should clear it up some.

oldtiger Wrote:Call me a happy clapper (and proud of it), call me settling for mediocrity, call me old, old fashion, without imagination,etc, etc, etc. ---

You're such an old fashion, no imagination, mediocrity-loving happy clapper.

mphsfan Wrote:
Sufferin succotash!

You have to admit that the reason that we have gone to bowl games is because of the expanded bowl schedule. In the current environment, all you need is a winning record and a fan base that will travel and you will be invited to a bowl. I think that the frustration that many fans have is that the best Tommy has achieved is a winning record...taking us to a bowl game is simply the product of the increase in the number of bowl games, not anything he has achieved. Surely we've had winning records in the last 30 years...any one of those teams would have gone to a bowl game in the current environment.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

TigerBill Wrote:Ya know, being happy is a wonderful thing. Being positive, being an optimist. You might try it sometime, except happiness makes it hard to be miserable. I'm happy we are bowl eligible. But, like so many others, you offer no alternatives, you merely criticize.

Well, not me. I'm too happy for that.

I got excited when the basketball team beat UConn.

I didn't give a tinker's damn when they beat UT-Martin.

Going 6-5 against inferior competion isn't as much fun as going 6-5 against tough competition.

But hey, if a few of you enjoy setting your expectations low so be it.

Are we better than 10 years ago? I'm not so sure. Some of Stobart's teams would beat the heck out of this year's team. They didn't have the benefit of conference membership and 64 available bowl bids.

Thank you. I am happy. I reject your characterizations of low expectations, of course, but you knew that when you wrote it.

If you prefer relentless negativity, that's your choice.

yankeetiger Wrote:You have to admit that the reason that we have gone to bowl games is because of the expanded bowl schedule. In the current environment, all you need is a winning record and a fan base that will travel and you will be invited to a bowl. I think that the frustration that many fans have is that the best Tommy has achieved is a winning record...taking us to a bowl game is simply the product of the increase in the number of bowl games, not anything he has achieved. Surely we've had winning records in the last 30 years...any one of those teams would have gone to a bowl game in the current environment.

It's also easier to become bowl eligible now because you have 12 games to win 6, as opposed to 11 games to win 6 as it was in the past.

tigertommy Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:Call me a happy clapper (and proud of it), call me settling for mediocrity, call me old, old fashion, without imagination,etc, etc, etc. --- but we're better than we were 10 years ago, 8 years ago, 6 years ago. We've will have 4 bowls in 5 years and a minimum of 32 wins in those 5 years. I don't know off of the top of my head, but I'd imagine that you would have to go bact 30 years to find that many wins in a 5 year period.

Understanding where we've come from, I'm very proud of where we are RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE, TODAY. Many of us have seen the pits of college football and are thankful to be where we are today.

Do I want us to get better? Absolutely.

Am I concerned about where we are now? No way.

Do we have a good coach in place? Don't the above facts about wins and bowls speak for themselves? Of course we have a good coach in place, look at where he's taken us from.

Many Tiger teams that went 3-8 back in the 80s/90s or even Rex's teams that went 1-10 would have won 7 against this pitiful schedule. That is how you should gauge this team's accomplishments. Thinking like that should clear it up some.

No Tommy, that's just not the truth. For some reason you have chosen to mourn through what you consider a poor year. I'm not sure why, but that's not my cross to bear, it's yours. That's a shame, you have the opportunity to particiapate in the fun of a good 2nd half of the year and you're personally choosing not to enjoy it.

RCM1029 Wrote:

oldtiger Wrote:Call me a happy clapper (and proud of it), call me settling for mediocrity, call me old, old fashion, without imagination,etc, etc, etc. ---

You're such an old fashion, no imagination, mediocrity-loving happy clapper.

I am happy for the team and the fans that want to enjoy the turn around. The losses to the Sun Belt teams and the way we played against UCF and ECU have taken some of the pride out of this season for me. I will happily clap during the Bowl Game, that we will play in because we were able to beat USM and some other teams that were worse than us. However, I don't believe that we have a very good team this year. If we play a really good bowl game then I reserve the right to "improve" my opinion.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:I got excited when the basketball team beat UConn.

I didn't give a tinker's damn when they beat UT-Martin.

Going 6-5 against inferior competion isn't as much fun as going 6-5 against tough competition.

That is what I mean by selfish. You are obviously more interested in your own fun than in advancing the athletic program. The athletic director and coaches set schedules according to what they believe to be best overall for the future of our program. I am sure you think that you know better than they do about what is best. I am also sure you will say they are more interested in their own security than the program. I give them more credit than that.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:But hey, if a few of you enjoy setting your expectations low so be it.

The only people with low expectations are the ones who buy into your drivel.

Okay, now with that said, it's time for your name calling routine.

mphsfan Wrote:I am happy for the team and the fans that want to enjoy the turn around. The losses to the Sun Belt teams and the way we played against UCF and ECU have taken some of the pride out of this season for me. I will happily clap during the Bowl Game, that we will play in because we were able to beat USM and some other teams that were worse than us. However, I don't believe that we have a very good team this year. If we play a really good bowl game then I reserve the right to "improve" my opinion.

In other words, you reserve the right to jump on and off the wagon any time the road gets bumpy. Do as you will - there will always be such as you.