rocketfootball Wrote:I think the reason it was brought up now is because some BG fans, I don't believe you are one of them, have ragged us bad about the Frat party incident and now the Gamby incident. They go on to say that their program is very clean and is much cleaner than Toledo's.

In legal terms, BG fans opened the door to this line of questioning. We are merely walking through it.

-Dan

BG Warthog Wrote:

Karl Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:Perhaps this research will reach the writers at the Blade.

Paging Karl. :D

I could email a link to this thread to Markey, if you think it would help

Markey is a BG alum so he might not want to publicize something like this.

Yeah, I know. But he's the guy covering Toledo this year (very well, I might add), so he'd be the logical guy. It was just my way of saying "hell, I can't do anything you can't do!"

BG Warthog Wrote:

Karl Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:Perhaps this research will reach the writers at the Blade.

Paging Karl. :D

I could email a link to this thread to Markey, if you think it would help

Markey is a BG alum so he might not want to publicize something like this.

BG Blade. :rolleyes:

And I believe Markey is part-time instructor at BG as well, at least thought I heard that before.

BG Warthog Wrote:

Karl Wrote:

rocketfootball Wrote:

Oddball Wrote:Perhaps this research will reach the writers at the Blade.

Paging Karl. :D

I could email a link to this thread to Markey, if you think it would help

Markey is a BG alum so he might not want to publicize something like this.

Gee, that has been "refuted" by BG fans for a very long time. :rolleyes:

Oddball Wrote:All football programs are going to have trouble. There are a lot of young men, from a variety of backgrounds, most away from home for the first time, with access to things they've no experience with, who cannot be monitored 24/7. Some will do things that they shouldn't. How these problems are dealt with is the measuring stick for a program, not how many of them make it to the papers.

If only their news counterparts could remember how to do the same thing on other fronts.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. It's why I'm damn glad I don't make my living off of 18-20 year old kids - who knows what the hell those kids are going to do, and how do you keep track of 100 of them?

Quote:We all know how Marshall "dealt" with their problem athletes. Apparently, at BG, they prefer secrecy. At UT, by necessity, our problems are out in the open, as are the methods that the coaching staff employs to maintain discipline. In that way, perhaps the antagonistic Toledo media inadvertantly does us a huge service.

However, I don't quite understand this statement. Did UT put out press releases for their major legal troubles? I don't think so. And if they did, it was because a more significant action was taken because of the offense - a speeding ticket is simply not an offense worthy of a punishment outside of the legal system.

As for "methods for maintaining discipline" being out in the open, the kid that assaulted police officers but never missed game time didn't have a public punishment, it was only through here that anyone found out about the extra class time and a suspension threat. That's not exactly "out in the open".

I have no desire to stand up for BG, and I would like to know whassup with the Sharon situation. But indignation over speeding tickets and underage drinking is downright silly. And misdemeanor offenses do not compare to some of the well publicized incidents that UT has had in the last two years simply because you feel an anti-UT bias in your local press.

HuskieDan Wrote:As for "methods for maintaining discipline" being out in the open, the kid that assaulted police officers but never missed game time didn't have a public punishment, it was only through here that anyone found out about the extra class time and a suspension threat. That's not exactly "out in the open".

Wrong. The Toledo Blade had a big story about it. They detailed the classes he had to go through, the effort that Amstutz gave directly to him to get his life in order, and they also mentioned the from that Hefflin had to sign stating that if he got into anymore trouble he was done for good.


The suspension wasn't a threat either, he was suspended for all of Spring practices and I believe he didn't start the first game of the season, but came in just a little bit into the game.

RangerRocket Wrote:Our friend Flipper's spin copied below from the ay piggly wiggly site. Note the continued focus on "driving records", and not the myriad of other more serious offenses that their players have been charged with. They are in what is called "denial".

What goes around comes around....................   

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The rockette logic is as follows; "Policeman there...Falcon bad".

They don't want to focus on their declining enrollment, the ongoing discipline probems with their football team, the inability of their University administration and athletic department to play nice together and they certainly don't want to focus on the rapidly deteriorating economic picture in Toledo and its inevitable impact on the University's ability to market itself. No they don't want to focus on that, they want to look into the driving records of BGSU student athletes.

They aren't Marshall...but they're getting close.
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Awww, you such a cute little thing Rectal Ranger+...you went to all that trouble to come on over to AZZ and yet you didn't have the decency to let me know you were visiting. I am so flattered that you wanted my take on your little "project".

It takes a strange man to dig into lives of a group of 18-22 year old men, but if that sort of thing gives your life a sense of meaning I say go for it, who cares how much of a pathetic freak it makes you appear to be...you can handle it...you're a Rockette!!

I guess we could compile a list like that on UT athletes, but why should we, we have the Blade to do our heavy lifting for us.

BCcrash Wrote:

mossmaidi Wrote:No football team is a bunch of perfect angels obviously, but people care just as much about BG football in the community as UT football I feel.

What community? Need we compare attendance numbers?

We all know that "the community" loves a winner... so let us not compare those numbers either. :chair:

Need we compare community numbers?
BG=30,000
Toledo=300,000+
Now, need we compare ratios?

A lot of that stuff you found was kinda stupid, admit it. Did you drink underage? I know I did. Have you ever gotten a speeding ticket? I have one (I know, I know, 10 is outrageous, but have you ever heard of a player getting suspended for speeding?)
Some of those offenses have logical explanations. One of the assault or disorderly conduct charges stemmed from the player pulling some guy off of a campus cop. When the BGPD got there, they arrested him, not knowing what actually happened, but was released soon after following the campus cop's report. That was actually in the paper.
Leininger has had problems. Brandon has since gotten him help. No need to berate the kid.
Sharon.......well, here is the story I heard on several different occassions from baseball players and football players who know him:
He and a friend who delivers pizzas staged a robbery. The delivery guy told his boss that some dude pulled a gun on him and took his cash. Didn't exactly happen that way. It is certainly a crime, but not quite as bad as it first sounded. If this is true Sharon should be punished. I'm just not sure if the coaches know the whole story yet or if they are waiting for a detailed report.
I agree with most of you on here, ribbing on players for their personal struggles is just not good. College students do stupid things, not just college football players. We "hate" each other, but we also have a certain respect for each other, too, as pointed out on other posts....somewhere. Anybody who agrees with me that doing what some BG and UT fans have been doing is wrong, be the better man or woman, disregard the rivalry and stand up for the few troubled young men.

Flipper!!! Wrote:It takes a strange man to dig into lives of a group of 18-22 year old men, but if that sort of thing gives your life a sense of meaning I say go for it, who cares how much of a pathetic freak it makes you appear to be...

Rivalry or not there is no reason to make this personal. Childish behavior like this is how things begin to get out of hand.

Flipper, why did you feel the need to use this discussion to make a personal attack ? Seriously, I'd like you to answer right here.

-Dan

This is ridiculous. So our school's sports teams have had some disciplinary problems. So what?? No one is denying that. Kids will be kids, no matter if they play sports or not. But what you are not taking into account is the severity of these violations. Traffic tickets, fleeing the scene, and underage drinking are the same level of severity as drug trafficing. Riiiight. Keep telling yourselves that if it makes you sleep better at night. Perhaps the poor level of education you are receiving at TUrd that leads you to believe that those violations are similar is the reason why your annual enrollment is decreasing.

So go sleep better knowing that BG players got a few traffic tickets and some other minorly severe violations. Selling Oxycontin is about as bad as those other things BG plays have done. Wrong.

BTW, the guy who looked all this stuff up should really think about getting a life.

Good job.

Swing and a miss. The point isn't who's program is dirtier, it's that all programs have situations like these come up. Frankly, we don't even know for a fact what happened with Gamby. Has he even been to court yet? Remember the fight where our whole f-ball team went with guns and knives and a bazooka and a connon and a tank and killed the whole neighborhood? Turns out it was one player that did anything chargable, and that was a misdemeanor. And yet here they are flaming away when they have thier share of troubles.I visit thier crappy board every few days. They could say all of this on thier board and I wouldn't comment. I have never posted anything on thier board. If thier fans don't want to reel in these idiots maybe a few of us ought to start flaming up thier board and see how they like it.

BGFan2006 Wrote:This is ridiculous. So our school's sports teams have had some disciplinary problems. So what?? No one is denying that. Kids will be kids, no matter if they play sports or not. But what you are not taking into account is the severity of these violations. Traffic tickets, fleeing the scene, and underage drinking are the same level of severity as drug trafficing. Riiiight. Keep telling yourselves that if it makes you sleep better at night. Perhaps the poor level of education you are receiving at TUrd that leads you to believe that those violations are similar is the reason why your annual enrollment is decreasing.

So go sleep better knowing that BG players got a few traffic tickets and some other minorly severe violations. Selling Oxycontin is about as bad as those other things BG plays have done. Wrong.

BTW, the guy who looked all this stuff up should really think about getting a life.

Good job.

I believe robbery is a second degree felony and if a weapon is involved it becomes an aggrevated offense, a first degree felony. I see two players charged with robbery. Even if they robbed a car dealership, it wouldn't be classified as a traffic offense.

RocketJeff Wrote:

BGFan2006 Wrote:This is ridiculous.  So our school's sports teams have had some disciplinary problems.  So what??  No one is denying that.  Kids will be kids, no matter if they play sports or not.  But what you are not taking into account is the severity of these violations.  Traffic tickets, fleeing the scene, and underage drinking are the same level of severity as drug trafficing.  Riiiight.  Keep telling yourselves that if it makes you sleep better at night.  Perhaps the poor level of education you are receiving at TUrd that leads you to believe that those violations are similar is the reason why your annual enrollment is decreasing.

So go sleep better knowing that BG players got a few traffic tickets and some other minorly severe violations.  Selling Oxycontin is about as bad as those other things BG plays have done.  Wrong.

BTW, the guy who looked all this stuff up should really think about getting a life.

Good job.

I believe robbery is a second degree felony and if a weapon is involved it becomes an aggrevated offense, a first degree felony. I see two players charged with robbery. Even if they robbed a car dealership, it wouldn't be classified as a traffic offense.

Two words for you: DRUG TRAFFICING!!!! Even petty theft and robbery aren't as severe as that!! Your player was trafficing OxyContin, an extremely addictive and dangerous drug. A player could have stolen something as simple as a pack of gum, which cannot be determined through the website your guy looked on for hours to find this information. Neither can your weapon claim. I'm not saying anyone's program is dirtier. Sure all programs have players who get into some trouble with the law. Traffic violations, underage drinking, it is to be expected from college students. Drug trafficing, however, is something that you don't see everyday from a college football player. There isn't anything typical or normal about it. Shame on you for brushing it off as being non-severe. That's not even rivalry talking, just plain common sense.

BGFan2006 Wrote:

RocketJeff Wrote:

BGFan2006 Wrote:This is ridiculous.  So our school's sports teams have had some disciplinary problems.  So what??  No one is denying that.  Kids will be kids, no matter if they play sports or not.  But what you are not taking into account is the severity of these violations.  Traffic tickets, fleeing the scene, and underage drinking are the same level of severity as drug trafficing.  Riiiight.  Keep telling yourselves that if it makes you sleep better at night.  Perhaps the poor level of education you are receiving at TUrd that leads you to believe that those violations are similar is the reason why your annual enrollment is decreasing.

So go sleep better knowing that BG players got a few traffic tickets and some other minorly severe violations.  Selling Oxycontin is about as bad as those other things BG plays have done.  Wrong.

BTW, the guy who looked all this stuff up should really think about getting a life.

Good job.

I believe robbery is a second degree felony and if a weapon is involved it becomes an aggrevated offense, a first degree felony. I see two players charged with robbery. Even if they robbed a car dealership, it wouldn't be classified as a traffic offense.

Two words for you: DRUG TRAFFICING!!!! Even petty theft and robbery aren't as severe as that!! Your player was trafficing OxyContin, an extremely addictive and dangerous drug. A player could have stolen something as simple as a pack of gum, which cannot be determined through the website your guy looked on for hours to find this information. Neither can your weapon claim. I'm not saying anyone's program is dirtier. Sure all programs have players who get into some trouble with the law. Traffic violations, underage drinking, it is to be expected from college students. Drug trafficing, however, is something that you don't see everyday from a college football player. There isn't anything typical or normal about it. Shame on you for brushing it off as being non-severe. That's not even rivalry talking, just plain common sense.

BGFan2006: My ***** is bigger.
RocketJeff: Nahuh, mine is.
BGFan2006: yes huh, mine is huuuuge. And my school is better than yours and my dad can beat up your dad.....

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Hey guys, I just wanted to help you out a little with Huskie Dan. Huskie Dan has an opinion of the Rockets because he wants to have this opinion. He diminishes what the TMSU has done to traffic violations and minor misdemeanor charges, but he will give us the fact that the Charles Sharon saga is intriguing. So, of all the stuff that Ranger listed out, the only real concern is the CS thing. Meanwhile, the UT program is full of hardened criminals. IHO, Rocket fans should first be concerned with the problems with their team but TMSU fans are free to be concerned with the problems on the Rockets team. It should be noted that Huskie Dan was furious after the Fakepuntgate info came out. I think it's safe to assume that HD is jealous of what our team does ON THE FIELD in comparison to his team.

He said:

Quote:Is having a kid die because of your stupid actions not enough to warrant a more significant punishment than a redshirt year?

You may think so, but pointing out that everyone has some issues does not make your issues any better. Especially when you're talking drug dealing, assaulting COPS, and kids dying. Those are bit more serious than traffic tickets, underage drinking and yes, even disorderly conduct.

A couple of notes here. He tries to play off being very intelligent, yet he can't get past the idea that the reason that UT fans posted this stuff isn't because it diminishes the problems on their team. He also made the statement about someone dying. Who had a kid die because of his stupid actions? I believe he's talking about Brock Dodrill and if that's the case, it's complete spin because of what he wants to believe. From what I understand, Dodrill and that other kid were throwing eggs at barns or cars and ran from the cops when they came. The kid jumped into a river and drown while Dodrill was caught. To the best of my knowledge, Dodrill did not force or coerce this kid into the river. How is Dodrill responsible for this kid's death? I believe that Dodrill's other offense was underage drinking and fleeing when arrested. Those were written off by HD when pertaining to BG, so we can do it here also. Let's go to the fight. The only person responsible for that was a new walk-on (Amstutz had nothing to do with this kid's recruitment) and [to use HD logic] "it was just a petty college party fight." No recruited members of the team were charged. I am not sure who assaulted the cops as HD is implying. So, we are left with selling drugs (UT) and the robbery (TMSU). Neither players have been convicted yet in case HD wants to argue that. BTW, where does threatening an officer's life fall with HD? If it is a TMSU player, I am guessing that it would be a misunderstanding between the officer and the player in question.

My point here is that HD has an agenda. HD was outraged on behalf of EMU for the Fakepuntgate situation. Now he is claiming that the UT program has too many off-the-field issues in comparison to what RR posted. Once his team beats the Rockets, we will not have to hear this stuff from him, but I believe we will in the meantime. To a neutral or unbiased fan, both teams would appear to have similar issues, but not to a biased fan like HD.

I hope you guys understand his agenda now.

HuskieDan Wrote:

Quote:We all know how Marshall "dealt" with their problem athletes. Apparently, at BG, they prefer secrecy. At UT, by necessity, our problems are out in the open, as are the methods that the coaching staff employs to maintain discipline. In that way, perhaps the antagonistic Toledo media inadvertantly does us a huge service.

However, I don't quite understand this statement. Did UT put out press releases for their major legal troubles? I don't think so. And if they did, it was because a more significant action was taken because of the offense - a speeding ticket is simply not an offense worthy of a punishment outside of the legal system.

I think Oddball was saying that the local media has UT athletics under a microscope which keeps the football team and staff in check. Without the media being the hounds that they are, players like Gamby and that kid in the fight earlier this year may have not been removed from the team.

Photodan Wrote:

Flipper!!! Wrote:It takes a strange man to dig into lives of a group of 18-22 year old men, but if that sort of thing gives your life a sense of meaning I say go for it, who cares how much of a pathetic freak it makes you appear to be...

Rivalry or not there is no reason to make this personal. Childish behavior like this is how things begin to get out of hand.

Flipper, why did you feel the need to use this discussion to make a personal attack ? Seriously, I'd like you to answer right here.

-Dan

Are you serious? The Rectal Ranger takes the time to dig into the lives of a bunch of college kids so he can make the felonious act of a Toledo football player seem less severe and you're asking me why I'm getting personal?

I'm sorry, but this little project says so much more about Rectal Ranger than it does about BGSU...

Touchdown Rrrrrooockets! Wrote:Hey guys, I just wanted to help you out a little with Huskie Dan. Huskie Dan has an opinion of the Rockets because he wants to have this opinion. He diminishes what the TMSU has done to traffic violations and minor misdemeanor charges, but he will give us the fact that the Charles Sharon saga is intriguing. So, of all the stuff that Ranger listed out, the only real concern is the CS thing. Meanwhile, the UT program is full of hardened criminals. IHO, Rocket fans should first be concerned with the problems with their team but TMSU fans are free to be concerned with the problems on the Rockets team. It should be noted that Huskie Dan was furious after the Fakepuntgate info came out. I think it's safe to assume that HD is jealous of what our team does ON THE FIELD in comparison to his team.

He said:

Quote:Is having a kid die because of your stupid actions not enough to warrant a more significant punishment than a redshirt year?

You may think so, but pointing out that everyone has some issues does not make your issues any better. Especially when you're talking drug dealing, assaulting COPS, and kids dying. Those are bit more serious than traffic tickets, underage drinking and yes, even disorderly conduct.

A couple of notes here. He tries to play off being very intelligent, yet he can't get past the idea that the reason that UT fans posted this stuff isn't because it diminishes the problems on their team. He also made the statement about someone dying. Who had a kid die because of his stupid actions? I believe he's talking about Brock Dodrill and if that's the case, it's complete spin because of what he wants to believe. From what I understand, Dodrill and that other kid were throwing eggs at barns or cars and ran from the cops when they came. The kid jumped into a river and drown while Dodrill was caught. To the best of my knowledge, Dodrill did not force or coerce this kid into the river. How is Dodrill responsible for this kid's death? I believe that Dodrill's other offense was underage drinking and fleeing when arrested. Those were written off by HD when pertaining to BG, so we can do it here also. Let's go to the fight. The only person responsible for that was a new walk-on (Amstutz had nothing to do with this kid's recruitment) and [to use HD logic] "it was just a petty college party fight." No recruited members of the team were charged. I am not sure who assaulted the cops as HD is implying. So, we are left with selling drugs (UT) and the robbery (TMSU). Neither players have been convicted yet in case HD wants to argue that. BTW, where does threatening an officer's life fall with HD? If it is a TMSU player, I am guessing that it would be a misunderstanding between the officer and the player in question.

My point here is that HD has an agenda. HD was outraged on behalf of EMU for the Fakepuntgate situation. Now he is claiming that the UT program has too many off-the-field issues in comparison to what RR posted. Once his team beats the Rockets, we will not have to hear this stuff from him, but I believe we will in the meantime. To a neutral or unbiased fan, both teams would appear to have similar issues, but not to a biased fan like HD.

I hope you guys understand his agenda now.

THANK YOU TOUCHDOWN ROCKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been trying to figure out how to word what you just said since reading his idiotic post yesterday. I think that "Huskie Dan" has a horrible case of "Rocket envy" (I believe that is what the TMSU fans call what we "have"). I notice his posts on almost every thread and most of them are just plain dumb. It seems like he will read one post by a UT fan and then all the replies by the TMSU fans and then just agree with them.... The thing that I find funny is that no matter how many people try and explain to him that this thread was put here to SHOW THAT TMSU IS NOT A CLEAN PROGRAM AS STATED BY SO MANY OF THEIR FANS.... NOT TO DIMINISH THE SEVERITY OF THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY RODNEY GAMBY....He continues to go on and on about how TMSU has all "minor traffic violations" and most of UT's team belongs locked up during the off season.

I think for the "beating up cops" charge he is referring to Brandon Hefflin who was charged with resisting arrest after a fight at a bar over 2 years ago. He was suspended for a while and went through counseling....

As for the "kid dying" incident, if he is referring to the Brock Dodrill incident, I think again he looked at what some TMSU fan posted and jumped to conclussions. You hit the nail on the head with your explanation. Maybe HD should just stick to defending the huskies and stop looking like a "closet TMSU fan".