(11-19-2014 05:29 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 09:05 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-02-2014 03:00 PM)YNot Wrote:  I don't think the PAC 12 will just sit on the sidelines watching the SEC, ACC, and Big Ten grow to 18+ teams. The PAC 12 might not be able to get Texas, but they will go for it again. They also have a shot at Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Iowa St., and could grab New Mexico, if needed.

Or Texas could say "forget it!" and go the independent route - placing Olympic sports in the AAC.

If they had a shot at Oklahoma it would have happened the second time around when Oklahoma was trying to pressure Texas into moving to the PAC. It wont happen without Texas, thus it wont happen.

Oklahoma is not going out West with that line up you list.

Texas will go Independent as you say but you seem to have mistyped AAC instead of ACC. It is understandable, it is only one letter.

Face it H1 the end game at ESPN is to try to build something around Texas and Notre Dame so that a rival in either perception or reality is created to play against the SEC giving the Mouse the two top perceived super powers. Now they can do this by using your favorite concept of Texas moving as an independent to the ACC to counter balance N.D.'s deal for the Southern half of the ACC leaving N.D. its former Big East buddies in the North along with the Southern basketball schools.

Or, bring N.D. to Texas and Oklahoma along with Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, others for a rebuilt Big 12. Either way Texas and N.D. wind up anchoring two different regions of the country with enough cache around them to add credibility to their annual resumes.

If it's the latter then scenarios unfold quite differently. I would think that the Big 10 would have to be interested in Syracuse and Boston College for market consolidation. The SEC would like N.C. State and Virginia Tech. Then a 16 school Big 12 can be created by permitting the PAC to move to 16 with Texas Tech, T.C.U., Kansas State, and Oklahoma State.

That frees the Big 12 to become this:
Baylor, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas
Iowa State, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Duke, Notre Dame, North Carolina, Virginia
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami

What's funny is that my scenario that I have stuck to has actually gained considerably. When I first started talking about it, Baylor and TCU weren't as big of a deal as they are now. Baylor had some success but now they have consistent success. TCU has now shown both defensive and offensive prowess. They are a program in a great market with a great coach and are definitely trending upwards for the future. Texas on the other hand is an extreme variable. You want them to be affiliated with your conference but for now they don't really add that much strength to your conference strength quotient. The same could be the case for Notre Dame. Their athleticism is now visible as being a downward trend. By having both as outliers that heavily schedule with your conference, you get the best of both worlds while still being able to expand with two upward trending programs in Baylor and TCU.

Even if TCU goes out west to the PAC, which I am now leaning towards, West Virginia is in the same boat. They are trending upwards and if they get back to playing all along the East Coast going down into Florida then they are going only be getting stronger. Let Texas and Notre Dame do their thing while having their future Independent schedule bring a lot of National SoS into the ACC. You then have your two strong programs of Baylor and TCU/WVU in the ACC boosting the conference even more.

To me it is a huge win for the ACC. The ACC also has the leverage in how many votes it would take to dissolve the ACC in comparison to how many votes it would take to dissolve the Big 12. That is why I stick to my guns.

It just seems to me that the ACC can outlast in this struggle. If Notre Dame can get more Texas into the ACC then the ACC becomes an even more perfect conference for them. It is just easier to do.