(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

(07-30-2021 10:56 PM)Statefan Wrote:  It's difficult for me to imagine the SEC allowing Kansas in to play football.

(07-31-2021 06:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Florida State chooses the SEC over the Big Ten. Big Ten takes Georgia Tech instead of FSU, they take FSU's place. ...

(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

(07-31-2021 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.

(07-31-2021 11:17 AM)clpp01 Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.

The chances of Baylor and BYU getting into the Pac-12 are on the same level as the SEC schools disbanding their football programs.

(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

(07-31-2021 12:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 11:17 AM)clpp01 Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.

The chances of Baylor and BYU getting into the Pac-12 are on the same level as the SEC schools disbanding their football programs.

Baylor isn't that far fetched. BYU is a bit of a stretch, but Baylor and BYU are pretty well above anybody else west of Louisville who isn't in the Big 10 or SEC. Geography still does matter some. And even with BYU, they have 5 Pac 12 schools on their schedule in 2021, including USC. They have Stanford in 2022 as well as several future years. They have everyone but Oregon St.,, Washington, Cal, UCLA and Colorado on their schedule just in the next two years. And they had UW in 2019 and Cal in 2018 and 2019, UCLA in 2016 and Oregon St. in 2012. Pretty sure they have played Colorado sometime while CU was in the Big 12 or Big 8.

(07-31-2021 12:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Well X, those divisions work just fine since we would have a permanent rival in each division.

(07-31-2021 02:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 12:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Well X, those divisions work just fine since we would have a permanent rival in each division.

I'm sure we'll enjoy Lexington and Oxford (I've always wanted to visit The Grove), I hope we get to go to Austin every other year.

(07-31-2021 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.