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Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
Big 10:

Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina State, Virginia

Indiana, Maryland, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State

Iowa, Iowa State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia Tech

Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas

*All but football: Vanderbilt, Wake Forest


PAC:

Boston College, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse#

Colorado, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech, Utah

Arizona, Arizona State, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Washington, Washington State

*If anyone drops out Kansas State
# East Division is football only. Hoops and non revenues join the Big East
This makes any breakaway inclusive of the Big East

Why is UNC in the SEC? ESPN will want 100% of the brand and it coves Wake as a partial. It covers all 4 N.C. schools with the SEC and B1G each getting 1 AAU 1 Not.

Why is Iowa St in the B1G? The SEC needs hoops and has Missouri.

Now you guys can cuss and discuss.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
I could live with that.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
It's difficult for me to imagine the SEC allowing Kansas in to play football.
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(07-30-2021 10:56 PM)Statefan Wrote:  It's difficult for me to imagine the SEC allowing Kansas in to play football.

Possibly, but look at their division. Oklahoma, Texas and LSU would likely want a breather, Arkansas wouldn't complain, and the whole conference is becoming top heavy and a breakaway, which is what Sankey wants, would mean BB schools would become 40% of the total Athletic Revenue instead of 20% and Kentucky would be thrilled. And they are AAU and Missouri's rival.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
These 20-team conferences didn't kick out WF or Vanderbilt. I had the SEC get pretty much anyone they wanted and the B1G getting exposure in the south. Putting Kansas in the B1G west and all 3 Florida school in the SEC East allowed for better break up of divisions. Auburn/Alabama weren't broken up and Michigan/Michigan State weren't broken up. Unfortunately the B1G doesn't get into Florida or Texas which may be a deal breaker for the B1G.

The ACC has a Mega-Big East feel to it and is a hell of a basketball conference.

ND joins because it is a break away league.


B1G
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South
Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland, North Carolina State, Virginia Tech
East
Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North
Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Purdue
West
Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin



SEC
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North
Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia
East
Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Miami, South Carolina
South
Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State
West
Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M



ACC
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North
Boston College, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
South
Central Florida, Duke, Louisville, Memphis, South Florida, Wake Forest



Big 12
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Baylor, Boise State, BYU, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech



Pac 12
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North
California, Oregon, Oregon state, Stanford, Washington, Washington State
South
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Southern California, UCLA, Utah
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
Big Ten Biased 3x20:

Big Ten (*from ACC):
Florida State*, North Carolina*, Duke*, Virginia*, Maryland
Penn State, Pittsburgh*, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State
Notre Dame*, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Rutgers (Stick them out west to keep everyone else together!)

SEC (*from ACC):
Florida, Georgia, Clemson*, South Carolina, NC State*
Kentucky, Louisville*, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech*
Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri

Everyone Else:
UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Cal, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Utah
Boston College, Syracuse, Miami, Georgia Tech, Pick One From West Virginia, Cincinnati, UCF
Kansas, Pick Four From Remaining Big 12/AAC schools

Out: Wake Forest, Oregon State, Washington State, At least 2 Big 12 schools

Compromise:

Florida State chooses the SEC over the Big Ten. Big Ten takes Georgia Tech instead of FSU, they take FSU's place. Louisville doesn't get into the SEC, Florida State is in Florida/Georgia's division, NC State moves to Virginia Tech's division, Louisville is stuck in the "Everyone Else" conference.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
Big Ten Goes California Dreaming 3x20 Version:

Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, Ohio State, Michigan
Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Notre Dame, Illinois
Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska
Colorado, UCLA, USC, California, Stanford

SEC Gets Pick of the Litter From the Southeast:

Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Clemson, South Carolina, Kentucky
Georgia, Florida, Florida State, Alabama, Auburn
Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Mississippi, Mississippi State, LSU
Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Missouri

Everyone Else:

Boston College, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Louisville
Duke, NC State, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, Miami
Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
5 of 8 remaining Big 12 schools
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(07-31-2021 06:25 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Florida State chooses the SEC over the Big Ten. Big Ten takes Georgia Tech instead of FSU, they take FSU's place. ...

I think the Big Ten's first choice would be Georgia Tech.

I understand it is a bit daft, but that's the way they are.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.
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Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
SEC:
North: Clemson, Kentucky, North Carolina St, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
South: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St
East: Florida, Florida St, Georgia, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

B1G:
North: Illinois, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Northwestern
South: Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia
East: Indiana, Maryland, Penn St, Purdue, Rutgers
West: Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin

PAC:
North: Oregon, Oregon St, Washington, Washington St
South: Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Utah
East: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC
Central:Cincinnati, Houston, Louisville, Texas Tech
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(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-31-2021 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.
The chances of Baylor and BYU getting into the Pac-12 are on the same level as the SEC schools disbanding their football programs.
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(07-31-2021 11:17 AM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.
The chances of Baylor and BYU getting into the Pac-12 are on the same level as the SEC schools disbanding their football programs.

Baylor isn't that far fetched. BYU is a bit of a stretch, but Baylor and BYU are pretty well above anybody else west of Louisville who isn't in the Big 10 or SEC. Geography still does matter some. And even with BYU, they have 5 Pac 12 schools on their schedule in 2021, including USC. They have Stanford in 2022 as well as several future years. They have everyone but Oregon St.,, Washington, Cal, UCLA and Colorado on their schedule just in the next two years. And they had UW in 2019 and Cal in 2018 and 2019, UCLA in 2016 and Oregon St. in 2012. Pretty sure they have played Colorado sometime while CU was in the Big 12 or Big 8.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.
a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Well X, those divisions work just fine since we would have a permanent rival in each division.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-31-2021 12:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 11:17 AM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.
The chances of Baylor and BYU getting into the Pac-12 are on the same level as the SEC schools disbanding their football programs.

Baylor isn't that far fetched. BYU is a bit of a stretch, but Baylor and BYU are pretty well above anybody else west of Louisville who isn't in the Big 10 or SEC. Geography still does matter some. And even with BYU, they have 5 Pac 12 schools on their schedule in 2021, including USC. They have Stanford in 2022 as well as several future years. They have everyone but Oregon St.,, Washington, Cal, UCLA and Colorado on their schedule just in the next two years. And they had UW in 2019 and Cal in 2018 and 2019, UCLA in 2016 and Oregon St. in 2012. Pretty sure they have played Colorado sometime while CU was in the Big 12 or Big 8.
The is something where athletics simply does not matter. Pac-12 presidents are never going to admit an institution that censors academic research, BYU could be as big a program as Notre Dame and the Pac-12 still would not accept them.

Baylor's problem is the combination of being church controlled, their moral code (and at times the lack of it) and not being a research based institution. They aren't as far gone as BYU and for profit universities are but they are on the next level.
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(07-31-2021 12:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.
a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Well X, those divisions work just fine since we would have a permanent rival in each division.

I'm sure we'll enjoy Lexington and Oxford (I've always wanted to visit The Grove), I hope we get to go to Austin every other year.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-31-2021 02:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 12:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-31-2021 10:24 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:42 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.
a
Well, if you could stay with UVa and Duke in either which would you choose?

Actually JR, you had the teams right to begin with.
The problem is that you had the divisions all wrong

First off, I want to say that the ACC has been fighting an uphill battle since they missed out on trying to lure Penn State away from the B1G.

Once that attempt failed, the ACC became the "Turk" after his failed on his attempt to kill the Godfather. We were dead men walking.
The B1G caved into Paterno's demands for eastern teams. Paterno wanted Rutgers and Pitt, but got Rutgers and Maryland instead. This was enough to keep Penn State in check and the first nail in the coffin of the ACC.

The ACC could have survived and thrived with Penn State and Notre Dame and probably would have become a bigger earner that even the SEC.

Now the ACC with even a full time Notre Dame and any other Big 12 team only will prolong the inevitable. The ACC would always be playing from behind and never have the opportunity to be on equal footing with the B1G or the SEC. Plus, the biggest reason not to follow this path is that I don't believe that Notre Dame can be trusted.

When Texas and Oklahoma decided to take the money, the paradigm shifted, all of the games were over, and it has become the time to forget about pride and tradition and worry about survival.

To that end, Carolina should cozy up to the (I'm choking on the initials) SEC, but demand to control our own division.
JR, this is how I would see Carolina, Virginia Tech, Clemson, Kansas and Florida State fitting into the SEC:

Carolina, Virginia Tech, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas
Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama
Florida State, Auburn, Clemson, Tennessee, Kentucky

Vanderbilt and Wake Forest as associates.

Well X, those divisions work just fine since we would have a permanent rival in each division.

I'm sure we'll enjoy Lexington and Oxford (I've always wanted to visit The Grove), I hope we get to go to Austin every other year.

We would enjoy seeing you go there as long as you go there without us and please take Duke with you.
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RE: Let's Revisit The 3 x 20:
(07-31-2021 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(07-30-2021 08:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  Carolina will not separate from UVa and Duke, you need to swap Carolina and NC State and you would have something.
No problem to get away from State.
Carolina will always look out for Wake Forest.

Agree about UNC. And think in a 3X20 Pac swallows Big 12 while SEC and Big 10 feast on ACC. Notre Dame joins the evil 10.



Duke, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia

Northwestern, Maryland, Penn State, Rutgers, Notre Dame

Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State

Iowa, Ilinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin


SEC:

Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Kentucky, North Carolina St., Tennessee, Virginia Tech, WVU

Arkansas, Missouri, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Texas




PAC:

Kansas, Kansas St., Iowa St., BYU, Oklahoma St.

Arizona, Arizona St., Baylor, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

Stanford, Colorado, California, California Los Angeles, Southern Cal

Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, Washington, Washington State


Pitt, BC, SU, UL have no place to go but to recreate a BE football conference. WF and Vandy football join in.

Obviously dreams here but "if" it was to happen I think you're pretty close to the mark.

B1G would be an absolute beast basketball conference.

SEC pretty much the same as it is now, absolute beast of a football conference.

PAC would be decently balanced in both.

JR, make it happen 04-cheers
07-31-2021 06:19 PM
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