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A Truer Upper Tier: Post Covid - JRsec - 08-28-2020 08:13 PM
Before post COVID we will be entering an new era in which NIL and pay are going to impact who plays college football at the upper echelon and who doesn't.
This one issue divides the Big 10 this way:
Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin choose to remain in.
Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers choose not to.
In the ACC this brings about a change as well:
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech all opt to remain in.
Boston College, Duke, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Wake Forest opt out.
Notre Dame stays in.
The SEC loses 1, Vanderbilt.
The Big 12 loses none.
The PAC has Arizona, Arizona State, USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Utah, and Colorado opt to stay in.
The two California publics, Washington State, & Oregon State opt out.
A new league is born Post COVID:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Utah, Washington
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, West Virginia, Wisconsin
Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Clemson, North Carolina, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, South Carolina
The six division champions and two at large selections field an 8 team playoff for the Championship.
RE: A Truer Upper Tier: Post Covid - XLance - 08-30-2020 08:05 PM
(08-28-2020 08:13 PM)JRsec Wrote: Before post COVID we will be entering an new era in which NIL and pay are going to impact who plays college football at the upper echelon and who doesn't.
This one issue divides the Big 10 this way:
Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin choose to remain in.
Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers choose not to.
In the ACC this brings about a change as well:
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech all opt to remain in.
Boston College, Duke, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Wake Forest opt out.
Notre Dame stays in.
The SEC loses 1, Vanderbilt.
The Big 12 loses none.
The PAC has Arizona, Arizona State, USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Utah, and Colorado opt to stay in.
The two California publics, Washington State, & Oregon State opt out.
A new league is born Post COVID:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Utah, Washington
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, West Virginia, Wisconsin
Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Clemson, North Carolina, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, South Carolina
The six division champions and two at large selections field an 8 team playoff for the Championship.
Where you see one league, I see 6. There is nothing worse than this new world order thinking. The six leagues may appoint a commissioner of football and a commissioner of basketball to oversee overall competition/rules/officials but I feel that each group should have a level of autonomy on other matters.
The leftovers of the B1G and ACC (plus Vanderbilt) could form two conferences or play as one conference.
RE: A Truer Upper Tier: Post Covid - JRsec - 08-30-2020 08:14 PM
(08-30-2020 08:05 PM)XLance Wrote:(08-28-2020 08:13 PM)JRsec Wrote: Before post COVID we will be entering an new era in which NIL and pay are going to impact who plays college football at the upper echelon and who doesn't.
This one issue divides the Big 10 this way:
Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin choose to remain in.
Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers choose not to.
In the ACC this brings about a change as well:
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech all opt to remain in.
Boston College, Duke, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Wake Forest opt out.
Notre Dame stays in.
The SEC loses 1, Vanderbilt.
The Big 12 loses none.
The PAC has Arizona, Arizona State, USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Utah, and Colorado opt to stay in.
The two California publics, Washington State, & Oregon State opt out.
A new league is born Post COVID:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Utah, Washington
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, West Virginia, Wisconsin
Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Clemson, North Carolina, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, South Carolina
The six division champions and two at large selections field an 8 team playoff for the Championship.
Where you see one league, I see 6. There is nothing worse than this new world order thinking. The six leagues may appoint a commissioner of football and a commissioner of basketball to oversee overall competition/rules/officials but I feel that each group should have a level of autonomy on other matters.
The leftovers of the B1G and ACC (plus Vanderbilt) could form two conferences or play as one conference.
I could see a P3, but the only way to have a level playing field is to pay them all the same, and that means a league.
But the Old Big 8 and PAC, The SWC/SEC hybrid with the Old Core SEC, and the Remnant Big 10 / Old Core ACC works fairly well as a P3.
RE: A Truer Upper Tier: Post Covid - DawgNBama - 09-05-2020 01:35 AM
(08-30-2020 08:14 PM)JRsec Wrote: [quote='XLance' pid='16969102' dateline='1598835945'][/b][/si
[quote='JRsec' pid='16960160' dateline='1598663600']
Before post COVID we will be entering an new era in which NIL and pay are going to impact who plays college football at the upper echelon and who doesn't.
This one issue divides the Big 10 this way:
Iowa, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin choose to remain in.
Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers choose not to.
In the ACC this brings about a change as well:
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, and Virginia Tech all opt to remain in.
Boston College, Duke, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, and Wake Forest opt out.
Notre Dame stays in.
The SEC loses 1, Vanderbilt.
The Big 12 loses none.
The PAC has Arizona, Arizona State, USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Utah, and Colorado opt to stay in.
The two California publics, Washington State, & Oregon State opt out.
A new league is born Post COVID:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Utah, Washington
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, West Virginia, Wisconsin
Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Clemson, North Carolina, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, South Carolina.
The six division champions and two at large selections field an 8 team playoff for the Championship.
What I am about to talk about kind of dovetails into this and does not at the same time. But, I see changes on the horizon for college hoops.
I read an interesting post on Reddit talking about college football home markets or basically how the population is in the college/university's home city. But , as you and I both know, that doesn't give a really accurate picture of a college/university's presence overall, because some have just have that local presence, some have a statewide presence, and some, like Notre Dame, and the service academies have a national presence.
Using Google Trends,. I found out that 'Bama's football team has a national presence as well, which I find interesting because few sports writers talk about it, although it's true. And while I'm not entirely sure, I'm almost willing to bet that there are more SEC teams that have a nationwide presence as well just like Alabama and Notre Dame, and it's at least partially due to the SEC Network, IMHO. I'm thinking everyone that is a nationwide brand in football will definitely be a part of this new post- Covid league, while I see only a 50-50 chance for statewide teams to join this league.
Back to hoops though, I can see the Major conferences really begin a push to split from the mid-majors somewhat. This will allow hoops powers like Indiana, Purdue, and Syracuse to join this new league/federation.
This one issue divides the Big 10 this way:
Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Wisconsin choose to remain in.
Northwestern, Rutgers choose not to.
In the ACC this brings about a change as well:
Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, North Carolina, N.C. State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia, and Virginia Tech all opt to remain in.
Boston College and Wake Forest opt out.
Notre Dame stays in.
The SEC loses 1, Vanderbilt.
The Big 12 loses none.
The PAC has Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Utah, and Colorado opt to stay in.
Washington State opts out.
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[b]A new league is born Post COVID:
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Cal, UCLA, Oregon State.
Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
Kentucky, Louisville, Michigan, Michigan State, Minnesota, Ohio State, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Maryland.
Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Christian, Texas Tech
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Mississippi State, Tennessee
Clemson, Duke, Miami, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, North Carolina, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Penn State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, South Carolina.
The grouping, I admit, is a mess, so additional tweeks are probably needed, but I think you get the overall picture. I do see some changes within the P5, but nothing too radical...yet!!