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If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - MidknightWhiskey - 08-09-2020 11:24 AM All Universities are taking a good hard look at their financials right now. Based on revenue generated or lost by the FB program and student/alumni/fan interest what programs realize that competing at the FBS level isn't worth it and drops down to FCS or drops FB all together? Also if the conferences take the same approach who ends up getting dropped by their conference? RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - MidknightWhiskey - 08-09-2020 12:51 PM 2019 Attendance numbers From the reported attendance numbers, which are usually heavily inflated in the bottom tiers, here's the programs that had under 20K home attendance. Under 20k home attendance: Akron 17,959 Ball St 9,924 Bowling Green 15,295 Buffalo 16,417 Central Michigan 13,564 Charlotte 12,319 Coastal Carolina 15,019 Eastern Michigan 17,025 FIU 13,875 FAU 17,607 Ga Southern 13,964 Ga State 17,186 Kent St 12,822 La Monroe 16,728 Liberty 18,272 Louisiana 18,203 Massachusetts 9,498 Miami (OH) 17,794 Middle Tenn. 14,253 Nevada 16,180 New Mexico 15,747 New Mexico St 17,905 Northern Illinois 8,518 Ohio 16,566 Old Dominion 18,234 San Jose St 15,396 South Alabama 16,322 Texas State 17,140 Tulsa 18,741 Uconn 18,216 UNLV 19,864 Utah St 19,609 UTEP 17,093 UTSA 19,904 Western Kentucky 15,191 Western Michigan 17,937 P5 under 40k home attendance: Arizona 39,532 Duke 25,811 Illinois 36,587 Kansas 33,875 Maryland 37,812 Northwestern 37,736 Oregon St 32,424 Rutgers 30,082 Stanford 37,018 Vanderbilt 26,288 Wake Forest 26,999 Washington St 28,541 RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - Bronco'14 - 08-09-2020 12:59 PM Teams fluctuate how good they are & that affects attendance. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - Fighting Muskie - 08-09-2020 01:10 PM If the NCAA required that at least 50% of the conference be above 20K in average home attendance the SBC, C-USA, and MAC would all be relegated along with Liberty, UMass, UConn, and NMSU. That would leave 90 teams in a leaner FBS. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - Bronco'14 - 08-09-2020 01:12 PM Why would they do that? RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - Fighting Muskie - 08-09-2020 01:22 PM (08-09-2020 01:12 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: Why would they do that? I’m not sure they would on their own but if the P5 pressured them I’m sure the NCAA would oblige them. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - MidknightWhiskey - 08-09-2020 01:22 PM (08-09-2020 01:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: If the NCAA required that at least 50% of the conference be above 20K in average home attendance the SBC, C-USA, and MAC would all be relegated along with Liberty, UMass, UConn, and NMSU. Right now it's a 15k minimum average, there are several teams above that are already below that and many programs that have attendance problems buy mass amounts of tickets themselves to inflate their numbers. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - JTApps1 - 08-09-2020 01:23 PM (08-09-2020 11:24 AM)MidknightWhiskey Wrote: All Universities are taking a good hard look at their financials right now. Based on revenue generated or lost by the FB program and student/alumni/fan interest what programs realize that competing at the FBS level isn't worth it and drops down to FCS or drops FB all together? The MAC was originally supposed to become I-AA/FCS back in the early 1980's, but had a lot of big time coaches with ties to the conference call in favors to keep them in I-A/FBS. Their financial situation hasn't gotten much if any better since then. Most of the MAC, half of SBC and CUSA, and a few MWC members should probably be in FCS IF there were real minimum requirements for FCS. The Dayton rule watered that division down so much that these "former" FBS teams wouldn't have anything in common with most of the current FCS. The NCAA almost needs to go back to the I-A/I-AA setup, but also add I-AAA to satisfy the Dayton rule. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - pki1998 - 08-09-2020 01:32 PM Honestly the MAC should move down to FCS. When you have a school like Kent State who schedules three body bag games a year just so they can be FBS you have a problem. My take on what a FCS MAC would look like Ohio Kent St/Akron - The state of Ohio should combine these schools along with Northeast Ohio Medical. Bowling Green Toledo Miami (OH) Eastern Michigan Central Michigan Western Michigan Ball State Youngstown State - From OVC/Horizion Indiana State - From MVC Gives them a 11 teams, as you can see this leaves out Buffalo and Northern Illinois Buffalo - Since Buffalo is the flagship of the SUNY system, I think they should stay FBS. The best place for them would be the AAC, but I don’t think they would be invited. Assuming no AAC invite their best bet would be joining the A10 for olympics (joining state flagships UMass and RI) and become an independent in football. Probably could get a scheduling alliance with UConn, UMass, and Army. Northern Illinois - probably better suited for the MVC/MVFC. Basically a straight up trade for Indiana State to put FCS teams from the same state in the same conferences. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - Bronco'14 - 08-09-2020 01:44 PM No way should UB be the only one that stays FBS RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - MidknightWhiskey - 08-09-2020 01:44 PM Responsibly the entire MAC should go FCS. Uconn should drop FB, its a money pit for them and they have minimal fan support. Reallocate the funds to their bball programs. Umass - should be FCS CUSA & Sunbelt could narrow their combined membership down to a 10-12 team conference with everyone else dropping to FCS. It'll be interesting if P5 conferences address their members that have FB issues. Wake Forest, Vandy, Rutgers could all be removed outright. Duke could be a non-FB member. Maybe the long awaited Magnolia Conference finally emerges. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - IWokeUpLikeThis - 08-09-2020 01:45 PM (08-09-2020 01:32 PM)pki1998 Wrote: Honestly the MAC should move down to FCS. When you have a school like Kent State who schedules three body bag games a year just so they can be FBS you have a problem. My take on what a FCS MAC would look like No chance Indiana St leaves MVC, and no chance MVC takes in NIU. Indiana St is on the border of IL/IN, their entire modern history is with the MVC. NIU tried to get into the MVC during the Big West FB days and the MVC wasn’t interested. MVC would add Murray St first (who finished runner-up last go-around). Regardless, none of this will happen. A fan base like Toledo’s or Ohio’s isn’t going FCS. Schools like NIU and WMU who recently played in Orange and Cotton bowls aren’t going FCS. A school with Miami’s history isn’t going FCS. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - MidknightWhiskey - 08-09-2020 01:52 PM My hope is that FBS can get cleaned up and realigned to 1 make more sense and 2 eliminate body bag games to get everyone more enticing match ups. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - Bronco'14 - 08-09-2020 02:00 PM (08-09-2020 01:45 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:(08-09-2020 01:32 PM)pki1998 Wrote: Honestly the MAC should move down to FCS. When you have a school like Kent State who schedules three body bag games a year just so they can be FBS you have a problem. My take on what a FCS MAC would look like 8 months or whenever it was I would've agreed. I'm not sure how Covid lockdowns are impacting things tho. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - quo vadis - 08-09-2020 02:13 PM (08-09-2020 01:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:(08-09-2020 01:12 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: Why would they do that? Remember, the P5 like having the G5 around, and plenty of them. It's more winnable games, which coaches and ADs love, and truth is, fans do too, despite crocodile tears about wanting to play Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State OOC (they really only want to play teams like that if they beat them). The P5 only has an issue with the G5 when governance issues arise, and Autonomy basically resolved that. So there is no impetus among the P5 to get rid of the G5. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - bullet - 08-09-2020 02:18 PM (08-09-2020 12:59 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: Teams fluctuate how good they are & that affects attendance. 4 year average teams below 20k: 130 Ball State MAC 9,475 129 Northern Illinois MAC 10,308 128 Massachusetts IND 11,275 127 Kent State MAC 12,506 126 UNC Charlotte CUSA 12,531 125 Coastal Carolina SB 13,538 124 Louisiana-Monroe SB 13,569 123 Central Michigan MAC 14,329 122 San Jose State MWC 14,819 121 New Mexico State IND 14,849 120 Florida International CUSA 15,159 119 Bowling Green MAC 15,340 118 MTSU CUSA 15,673 117 Western Kentucky CUSA 15,708 116 Florida Atlantic CUSA 15,920 115 Georgia State SB 16,184 114 Eastern Michigan MAC 16,343 113 Miami, OH MAC 16,400 112 Buffalo MAC 16,410 111 Texas State SB 16,456 110 South Alabama SB 16,495 109 Akron MAC 16,595 108 Georgia Southern SB 16,711 107 Liberty SB 17,042 106 Nevada MWC 17,146 105 UNLV MWC 18,131 104 Louisiana-Lafayette SB 18,182 103 Ohio MAC 18,343 102 Tulsa American 18,383 101 UTEP CUSA 18,449 100 New Mexico MWC 18,451 99 Western Michigan MAC 18,989 98 Utah State MWC 19,393 97 Tulane American 19,486 96 Old Dominion CUSA 19,526 95 Louisiana Tech CUSA 19,688 RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - bullet - 08-09-2020 02:22 PM Note that of the bottom 24, only San Jose is in the MWC or AAC. Of the 36 below 20k, there are 5 MWC and 2 AAC. Above 20k, there are 6 CUSA, 3 Sun Belt and 1 MAC. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - Scoochpooch1 - 08-09-2020 02:40 PM (08-09-2020 01:10 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: If the NCAA required that at least 50% of the conference be above 20K in average home attendance the SBC, C-USA, and MAC would all be relegated along with Liberty, UMass, UConn, and NMSU. Sounds almost perfect to me. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - Stugray2 - 08-09-2020 03:02 PM (08-09-2020 01:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:(08-09-2020 01:12 PM)Bronco14 Wrote: Why would they do that? You are under the delusion that the NCAA is some kind of powerful ruling body. It is not. It is just the collective voice of the schools that make up it's membership -- the inmates run the asylum. NCAA rules are merely made after the fact, to codify actual practices. And if a member falls out of compliance, they issue waivers like candy. They do not enforce much. They know who butters their bread. RE: If schools & conferences reevaluate FB programs - ccd494 - 08-09-2020 03:08 PM (08-09-2020 01:32 PM)pki1998 Wrote: Buffalo - Since Buffalo is the flagship of the SUNY system, I think they should stay FBS. The best place for them would be the AAC, but I don’t think they would be invited. Assuming no AAC invite their best bet would be joining the A10 for olympics (joining state flagships UMass and RI) and become an independent in football. Probably could get a scheduling alliance with UConn, UMass, and Army. Buffalo is not the flagship of the SUNY system. At best you could call them a flagship, co-equal with Binghamton, Albany, and Stony Brook. |