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Air Force to the AAC? - CliftonAve - 10-14-2019 04:09 PM
Surprised this hasn't been brought up, but would say you guys about adding Air Force to get the AAC back to 12? Coach Calhoun at AFA is apparently not happy with the MWC and the school has mentioned in the past it would be interested in playing in a conference with Navy.
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/13/troy-calhoun-questions-air-force-remaining-in-the-mountain-west/
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - Captain Bearcat - 10-14-2019 05:01 PM
They're by far the best candidate for #12 that's been mentioned. I'd be ok with them.
Among the other candidates... the Eastern teams would be the weakest members of the AAC. Boise & BYU & SDSU would be on islands, and each has other question marks (BYU - playin on Sunday, Boise - bad basketball and a tiny airport, SDSU - is really, really far away).
The best solution for the AAC would be to add Boise, BYU, and SDSU as a package for all sports. But that probably isn't happening.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - BearcatJerry - 10-14-2019 05:04 PM
I can't see it happening...
If anything, AFA would probably go football-independent (like Army) and move their other sports into the MVC or the Summit. If AFA moved their sports into the MVC, then the MVC probably also adds Murray State... (The MVC has a very odd obsession with private/public schools...)
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - bearcatlawjd2 - 10-14-2019 05:08 PM
it’s a solid move, maybe Memphis could come to the east division
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - doss2 - 10-14-2019 05:45 PM
Please no more half members like WSU/Navy.
We lost an eastern member so add an eastern member or if a western member move Navy to where it belongs.
Potential and preferred eastern schools are Marshall, App State, Toledo, Buffalo, VCU.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - cpawstoney - 10-14-2019 06:55 PM
Quote:Perhaps this is just a case of a head coach letting out a little steam but it certainly qualifies as a situation worth monitoring in Colorado Springs.
Air Force turned the AAC down five years ago along with BYU and SDSU[/quote]
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - BearcatJerry - 10-14-2019 07:19 PM
(10-14-2019 06:55 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:Quote:Perhaps this is just a case of a head coach letting out a little steam but it certainly qualifies as a situation worth monitoring in Colorado Springs.
Air Force turned the AAC down five years ago along with BYU and SDSU
And he's complaining that the MW is too tough of a conference for the AFA. If the MW is too tough a schedule, then what are you going to do playing in an arguably tougher (or at least comparable) conference?
That's why I'm guessing that, if there was any move to be made, it would be towards independence. Independence allows Army to schedule a manageable schedule. Navy used to do that as well. Air Force was always an oddity in being a conference member. When Army joined CUSA, they had almost no sustained success (apart from beating UC). Navy isn't doing so well at the moment in Conference life either.
You can make a pretty strong argument that, especially because of the Service Academies special (unique) requirements in how they recruit and their post-graduate service requirements, that conferences aren't a good fit for them...especially in football.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - UCGrad1992 - 10-14-2019 08:29 PM
Air Force would be better than many teams mentioned previously ad nauseum. Another service academy in the American to go with Navy makes some sense but then they become a UConn geographically for travel of extremes. Too bad you couldn't add them and Colorado St [just two hours apart] and drop Tulsa.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - Captain Bearcat - 10-14-2019 10:02 PM
(10-14-2019 07:19 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:(10-14-2019 06:55 PM)cpawstoney Wrote:Quote:Perhaps this is just a case of a head coach letting out a little steam but it certainly qualifies as a situation worth monitoring in Colorado Springs.
Air Force turned the AAC down five years ago along with BYU and SDSU
And he's complaining that the MW is too tough of a conference for the AFA. If the MW is too tough a schedule, then what are you going to do playing in an arguably tougher (or at least comparable) conference?
That's why I'm guessing that, if there was any move to be made, it would be towards independence. Independence allows Army to schedule a manageable schedule. Navy used to do that as well. Air Force was always an oddity in being a conference member. When Army joined CUSA, they had almost no sustained success (apart from beating UC). Navy isn't doing so well at the moment in Conference life either.
You can make a pretty strong argument that, especially because of the Service Academies special (unique) requirements in how they recruit and their post-graduate service requirements, that conferences aren't a good fit for them...especially in football.
Navy is thriving in the American.
Navy has cracked the polls in only 4 years since 1980. 3 of those years have been since 2015 when Navy joined the American.
Sure, they were bad in 2018 (3-10). But they were much worse in 1991, 1992, 2000, and 2001, when they won 0 or 1 games.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - UCbball21 - 10-14-2019 10:12 PM
(10-14-2019 08:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: Air Force would be better than many teams mentioned previously ad nauseum. Another service academy in the American to go with Navy makes some sense but then they become a UConn geographically for travel of extremes. Too bad you couldn't add them and Colorado St [just two hours apart] and drop Tulsa.
Air Force (football-only) would be an upgrade over UConn if the AAC is forced to add a school. That would take away one of the MWC's best schools and improve our conference SOS. It also improves our chances for adding Army (football-only) in the future as well. I would like to eventually get all the service academies under the AAC banner if possible. All the service academies are good for Cincinnati in terms of TV ratings and attendance.
The only all-sport school worth adding right now is BYU and I don't think that is a realistic option based on their recent scheduling additions.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - doss2 - 10-14-2019 11:21 PM
(10-14-2019 10:12 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:BYU has 12 games scheduled for the next 4 years and 10 already for 2025. So they would be on the hook for a lot of cancellations. A member of another conference would quickly have openings.(10-14-2019 08:29 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote: Air Force would be better than many teams mentioned previously ad nauseum. Another service academy in the American to go with Navy makes some sense but then they become a UConn geographically for travel of extremes. Too bad you couldn't add them and Colorado St [just two hours apart] and drop Tulsa.
Air Force (football-only) would be an upgrade over UConn if the AAC is forced to add a school. That would take away one of the MWC's best schools and improve our conference SOS. It also improves our chances for adding Army (football-only) in the future as well. I would like to eventually get all the service academies under the AAC banner if possible. All the service academies are good for Cincinnati in terms of TV ratings and attendance.
The only all-sport school worth adding right now is BYU and I don't think that is a realistic option based on their recent scheduling additions.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - OKIcat - 10-15-2019 07:07 AM
My guess is Air Force is a contingency plan if the waiver isn't granted for us to have a CCG with no divisional alignment. It would suggest to me that BYU is off the table and there is a belief that AFA has a stronger national brand than any other G5 and would complement Navy as a conference mate. As with Navy, I'm thinking this would be a football only arrangement.
While the service academies are clearly G5, they are unique entities in higher education; outstanding academics and nationwide interest that extends well beyond their own students and alumni. Air Force football would excite me more than UCONN football as well as a road trip to Colorado Springs over Hartford.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - Def Berkkat - 10-15-2019 07:11 AM
NO.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - coachpipe - 10-15-2019 07:13 AM
aside from what they do for the country, why would we want to play their **** athletics teams. AAC needs to NOT expand. If anything cut some bottom feeders
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - cincybb51 - 10-15-2019 08:49 AM
Definitely no unless they agree to bomb NCAA and ESPN offices at times !
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - bearcatlawjd2 - 10-15-2019 08:57 AM
If this was the conference adding Air Force helps UC.
East: Cincinnati, Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Memphis
West: Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Houston, Navy, Air Force
Annual games against Memphis, UCF, USF and Temple. (and ECU) One Texas school, one small private school, and one academy every season.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - cinbinsportsfan - 10-15-2019 09:03 AM
(10-15-2019 08:57 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote: If this was the conference adding Air Force helps UC.
East: Cincinnati, Temple, ECU, USF, UCF, Memphis
West: Tulsa, Tulane, SMU, Houston, Navy, Air Force
Annual games against Memphis, UCF, USF and Temple. (and ECU) One Texas school, one small private school, and one academy every season.
That West division would be a pain in the ass; two triple-options teams and a spread-option team. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but if y'all think Dana Holgorsen doesn't have a lot of hair now...
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - chatcat - 10-15-2019 10:04 AM
As an Air Force vet (never on flight status) I'm inclined to be in favor of it.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - doss2 - 10-15-2019 10:09 AM
As a former AF ROTC member I oppose it.
RE: Air Force to the AAC? - chatcat - 10-15-2019 10:48 AM
(10-15-2019 10:09 AM)doss2 Wrote: As a former AF ROTC member I oppose it.
Since you were an officer and I was an enlisted man your order will be carried out.