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Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - CAJUNNATION - 01-04-2016 01:24 PM
RULES
-- All 10 conference champions get bid
-- Next 14 highest ranked schools get bid
-- Highest 8 seeds get first round bye
-- Seeds 9-24 begin First round action at higher seed's home field on 3rd week of December
-- Sweet 16 would play on 4th week at higher seed's home field
-- Elite 8 would be 1st week of January. This would begin use of "BCS" bowls, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange
-- Final 4 next week as 2 of the 4 BCS bowls re-host
-- National Championship next week as 1 of the other 2 BCS bowls re-hosts
FIRST-ROUND
#24 ARKANSAS STATE at #9 FLORIDA STATE
#23 BOWLING GREEN at #10 NORTH CAROLINA
#22 SAN DIEGO STATE at #11 TCU
#21 WESTERN KENTUCKY at #12 OLE MISS
#20 LSU at #13 NORTHWESTERN
#19 FLORIDA at #14 MICHIGAN
#18 HOUSTON at #15 OREGON
#17 BAYLOR at #16 OKLAHOMA STATE
SWEET 16
(Baylor/Oklahoma State winner) at #1 CLEMSON
(Houston/Oregon winner) at #2 ALABAMA
(Florida/Michigan winner) at #3 MICHIGAN STATE
(LSU/Northwestern winner) at #4 OKLAHOMA
(Western Kentucky/Ole Miss winner) at #5 IOWA
(San Diego State/TCU winner) at #6 STANFORD
(Bowling Green/North Carolina winner) at #7 OHIO STATE
(Arkansas State/Florida State winner) at #8 NOTRE DAME
ELITE 8
Rose/Fiesta/Sugar/Orange
FINAL 4
Rose/Orange
CHAMPIONSHIP
Sugar
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - Eagleditka - 01-04-2016 01:40 PM
Forgot Cotton and Peach Bowls.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - ThaGinga - 01-04-2016 04:14 PM
(01-04-2016 01:40 PM)Eagleditka Wrote: Forgot Cotton and Peach Bowls.
I believe in this scenario the Cotton and Peach never became major (BCS) bowls
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - FloridaJag - 01-05-2016 03:42 PM
(01-04-2016 04:14 PM)ThaGinga Wrote:(01-04-2016 01:40 PM)Eagleditka Wrote: Forgot Cotton and Peach Bowls.
I believe in this scenario the Cotton and Peach never became major (BCS) bowls
They were big bowls before the BCS. The BCS is gone, the Cotton and Peach Bowls live on. They should host playoff games.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - AlwaysSunny - 01-05-2016 03:46 PM
I honestly stopped reading at all 10 conference champs get a bid.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - FloridaJag - 01-05-2016 04:28 PM
(01-05-2016 03:46 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: I honestly stopped reading at all 10 conference champs get a bid.
Reading is fundamental my friend.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - ark30inf - 01-05-2016 04:32 PM
(01-05-2016 03:46 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: I honestly stopped reading at all 10 conference champs get a bid.That would be an ok place to stop. It would make it like an actual normal sports league. But we probably do need at least a couple of wildcards.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - CAJUNNATION - 01-05-2016 04:38 PM
(01-05-2016 03:46 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: I honestly stopped reading at all 10 conference champs get a bid.
I have been doing this "Mother" playoff bracket for over a decade and posting them here and on our board.
I'm under no delusion that this will ever be adopted, but I do enjoy seeing who matches up in each round. Some years, a G5 school is hosting in the first round.
It's all in good fun, but I do believe that this is the best FBS college football playoff format you will ever see.
Until the CFP is inclusive of all FBS conferences and contains most of the schools in the Top 20 as well, any "National Champion" that is crowned will be just as mythical as the ones crowned by the polls before the BCS.
If we are not going to have a real playoff, I would rather we just went back to the old Bowl system and let the pollsters pick a champion.
They are really screwing up Bowl season right now, for nothing.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - ark30inf - 01-05-2016 04:44 PM
(01-05-2016 04:38 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:The current system is ludicrous. Not allowing all of your divisional/conference champions access to the playoff round because of budgets and biased perceptions....is not sports.(01-05-2016 03:46 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: I honestly stopped reading at all 10 conference champs get a bid.
I have been doing this "Mother" playoff bracket for over a decade and posting them here and on our board.
I'm under no delusion that this will ever be adopted, but I do enjoy seeing who matches up in each round. Some years, a G5 school is hosting in the first round.
It's all in good fun, but I do believe that this is the best FBS college football playoff format you will ever see.
Until the CFP is inclusive of all FBS conferences and contains most of the schools in the Top 20 as well, any "National Champion" that is crowned will be just as mythical as the ones crowned by the polls before the BCS.
If we are not going to have a real playoff, I would rather we just went back to the old Bowl system and let the pollsters pick a champion.
They are really screwing up Bowl season right now, for nothing.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - CAJUNNATION - 01-05-2016 04:46 PM
(01-05-2016 03:42 PM)FloridaJag Wrote: They were big bowls before the BCS. The BCS is gone, the Cotton and Peach Bowls live on. They should host playoff games.
Under the Mother plan, the hosting of games in the first 2 rounds is crucial to the plan. There is a lot of money to be made by the host school. Also, I would rather not break up the big 4 Bowls from playing on the same day. If the Cotton and Peach are to be included, they can host the Semifinals.
Then, one of the big 4 can re-host the Championship.
Remember, there will still be a place for several Bowls to exist and for many good schools to have a postseason. There won't be near as many Bowls as today, but there will be some, sort of an FBS version of the NIT.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - FloridaJag - 01-05-2016 05:25 PM
(01-05-2016 04:46 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:(01-05-2016 03:42 PM)FloridaJag Wrote: They were big bowls before the BCS. The BCS is gone, the Cotton and Peach Bowls live on. They should host playoff games.
Under the Mother plan, the hosting of games in the first 2 rounds is crucial to the plan. There is a lot of money to be made by the host school. Also, I would rather not break up the big 4 Bowls from playing on the same day. If the Cotton and Peach are to be included, they can host the Semifinals.
Then, one of the big 4 can re-host the Championship.
Remember, there will still be a place for several Bowls to exist and for many good schools to have a postseason. There won't be near as many Bowls as today, but there will be some, sort of an FBS version of the NIT.
The top 8 teams already get the benefit of a bye. Let the remaining games be played at current bowl sites. That way everybody gets paid.
I suggest the 2nd round aka Sweet 16 be played at neutral site bowls.
1. Holiday Bowl - San Diego
2. Cotton Bowl - Arlington
3. Peach Bowl - Atlanta
4. Citrus Bowl - Orlando
5. Alamo Bowl - San Antonio
6. Music City Bowl - Nashville
7. Outback Bowl - Tampa
8. Belk Bowl - Charlotte
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - AlwaysSunny - 01-05-2016 06:24 PM
(01-05-2016 04:44 PM)ark30inf Wrote:(01-05-2016 04:38 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:The current system is ludicrous. Not allowing all of your divisional/conference champions access to the playoff round because of budgets and biased perceptions....is not sports.(01-05-2016 03:46 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: I honestly stopped reading at all 10 conference champs get a bid.
I have been doing this "Mother" playoff bracket for over a decade and posting them here and on our board.
I'm under no delusion that this will ever be adopted, but I do enjoy seeing who matches up in each round. Some years, a G5 school is hosting in the first round.
It's all in good fun, but I do believe that this is the best FBS college football playoff format you will ever see.
Until the CFP is inclusive of all FBS conferences and contains most of the schools in the Top 20 as well, any "National Champion" that is crowned will be just as mythical as the ones crowned by the polls before the BCS.
If we are not going to have a real playoff, I would rather we just went back to the old Bowl system and let the pollsters pick a champion.
They are really screwing up Bowl season right now, for nothing.
lol. Do you really believe the Sunbelt, Mac and CUSA deserve the same amount of playoff spots as the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12 or ACC? As bad as the SEC has beaten the hell out of other P5 teams, who on earth would've wanted to see a Ark State vs Bama/Clemson/MSU/Oklahoma matchup? I mean I get the argument but just no. Especially when there are probably 3-4 teams from all of those conferences that could easily make the argument that they'd be a better candidate...and they would. That logic is why the P5 wants to break away to begin with, and then what?
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - ark30inf - 01-05-2016 06:40 PM
(01-05-2016 06:24 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:Every division/conference champion in ANY SPORTS LEAGUE ANYWHERE deserve equal treatment in terms of playoff access.(01-05-2016 04:44 PM)ark30inf Wrote:(01-05-2016 04:38 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:The current system is ludicrous. Not allowing all of your divisional/conference champions access to the playoff round because of budgets and biased perceptions....is not sports.(01-05-2016 03:46 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: I honestly stopped reading at all 10 conference champs get a bid.
I have been doing this "Mother" playoff bracket for over a decade and posting them here and on our board.
I'm under no delusion that this will ever be adopted, but I do enjoy seeing who matches up in each round. Some years, a G5 school is hosting in the first round.
It's all in good fun, but I do believe that this is the best FBS college football playoff format you will ever see.
Until the CFP is inclusive of all FBS conferences and contains most of the schools in the Top 20 as well, any "National Champion" that is crowned will be just as mythical as the ones crowned by the polls before the BCS.
If we are not going to have a real playoff, I would rather we just went back to the old Bowl system and let the pollsters pick a champion.
They are really screwing up Bowl season right now, for nothing.
lol. Do you really believe the Sunbelt, Mac and CUSA deserve the same amount of playoff spots as the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12 or ACC? As bad as the SEC has beaten the hell out of other P5 teams, who on earth would've wanted to see a Ark State vs Bama/Clemson/MSU/Oklahoma matchup? I mean I get the argument but just no. Especially when there are probably 3-4 teams from all of those conferences that could easily make the argument that they'd be a better candidate...and they would. That logic is why the P5 wants to break away to begin with, and then what?
What sort of freaking league doesn't allow its divisional champions into the title hunt? NONE. Because it is ludicrous.
Oh, the SEC East sucks...so we're banning them from ever getting into the SEC title game....WTH?
This weird lack of access makes parity WORSE. It is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Jeez...are you that brainwashed that you no longer understand that sports leagues ain't supposed to work like this?
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - CajunFanatico - 01-05-2016 09:50 PM
(01-05-2016 06:40 PM)ark30inf Wrote:(01-05-2016 06:24 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:Every division/conference champion in ANY SPORTS LEAGUE ANYWHERE deserve equal treatment in terms of playoff access.(01-05-2016 04:44 PM)ark30inf Wrote:(01-05-2016 04:38 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:The current system is ludicrous. Not allowing all of your divisional/conference champions access to the playoff round because of budgets and biased perceptions....is not sports.(01-05-2016 03:46 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote: I honestly stopped reading at all 10 conference champs get a bid.
I have been doing this "Mother" playoff bracket for over a decade and posting them here and on our board.
I'm under no delusion that this will ever be adopted, but I do enjoy seeing who matches up in each round. Some years, a G5 school is hosting in the first round.
It's all in good fun, but I do believe that this is the best FBS college football playoff format you will ever see.
Until the CFP is inclusive of all FBS conferences and contains most of the schools in the Top 20 as well, any "National Champion" that is crowned will be just as mythical as the ones crowned by the polls before the BCS.
If we are not going to have a real playoff, I would rather we just went back to the old Bowl system and let the pollsters pick a champion.
They are really screwing up Bowl season right now, for nothing.
lol. Do you really believe the Sunbelt, Mac and CUSA deserve the same amount of playoff spots as the SEC, Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12 or ACC? As bad as the SEC has beaten the hell out of other P5 teams, who on earth would've wanted to see a Ark State vs Bama/Clemson/MSU/Oklahoma matchup? I mean I get the argument but just no. Especially when there are probably 3-4 teams from all of those conferences that could easily make the argument that they'd be a better candidate...and they would. That logic is why the P5 wants to break away to begin with, and then what?
What sort of freaking league doesn't allow its divisional champions into the title hunt? NONE. Because it is ludicrous.
Oh, the SEC East sucks...so we're banning them from ever getting into the SEC title game....WTH?
This weird lack of access makes parity WORSE. It is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Jeez...are you that brainwashed that you no longer understand that sports leagues ain't supposed to work like this?
Indeed. Look at college baseball.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - svvandal - 01-05-2016 10:03 PM
Why do you insist on using conference champions? The Sun Belt champion would have a mediocre conference record in any P5 conference. The intent of any playoff system that uses conference champions cannot be to award a champion, because the seeding system is flawed from the start.
Instead, use a mix of PROVEN, PREDICTIVE strength indices to develop a power ranking and seed an 8 or 16 seed bracket with the top teams in the power ranking.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - ark30inf - 01-05-2016 10:23 PM
(01-05-2016 10:03 PM)svvandal Wrote: Why do you insist on using conference champions? The Sun Belt champion would have a mediocre conference record in any P5 conference. The intent of any playoff system that uses conference champions cannot be to award a champion, because the seeding system is flawed from the start.
Instead, use a mix of PROVEN, PREDICTIVE strength indices to develop a power ranking and seed an 8 or 16 seed bracket with the top teams in the power ranking.
Then why not just limit the playoff to 4 SEC West teams and be done with it? Evidence seems to show that they have the greatest strength.
Why have an SEC East and SEC West team in the SEC Champ game? They are obviously weaker. Why not take a poll and put the two SEC West teams that get the most poll votes regardless of records?
Do you really think it is healthy for FBS to make the disparities between conferences WORSE by giving some unequal treatment in regard to playoff access?
You aren't allowed to get a job because you are unemployed. You aren't allowed to go to school because you are uneducated. You are not allowed to have money because you are poor.
This is no way to run a sports league.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - CAJUNNATION - 01-06-2016 09:58 AM
(01-05-2016 05:25 PM)FloridaJag Wrote: Let the remaining games be played at current bowl sites. That way everybody gets paid.
Everybody loses money that way. Most Bowl games are financial losers for the participant schools. Hosting a playoff game is a guaranteed sellout for the host school. I'm sure some sort of agreement could be worked out to cover travel expenses for the visiting team, but the host school will make serious money from the gate and the concessions alone.
After that, every school that participates in the playoff gets a check just like the basketball tourney.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - CAJUNNATION - 01-06-2016 11:11 AM
This year, conference championship games were on Dec. 5th.
First round playoff games would have been on Dec. 19th.
Sweet 16 on Dec. 26th.
Elite 8 on Jan. 1. New Years Day big 4 Bowls kept intact.
NFL playoffs begin the following weekend. So, the semifinals would be best on the Monday night following on Jan 11th. championship a week later.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - Yosef84 - 01-06-2016 02:18 PM
(01-05-2016 10:03 PM)svvandal Wrote: Why do you insist on using conference champions? The Sun Belt champion would have a mediocre conference record in any P5 conference. The intent of any playoff system that uses conference champions cannot be to award a champion, because the seeding system is flawed from the start.
Instead, use a mix of PROVEN, PREDICTIVE strength indices to develop a power ranking and seed an 8 or 16 seed bracket with the top teams in the power ranking.
And just like that, you re-create the BCS system. The idea behind conference champions being included (even though possibly seeded low in the play-off) is that schedules are driven by conference and power ratings are based on strength of schedule. It's true that right now, the SBC/CUSA/MWC/MAC champs might not have a valid claim to the national title, but the system has to be set up to exclude advanced bias. Inclusion of all conference champions would help to eliminate systemic bias.
I think that 24 teams is way more than needed for identifying a champ. 16 is probably an ideal number, but even 12 would work. The current system gives a token nod to the G5 but doesn't really go far enough. It doesn't even give full coverage to the P5.
RE: Mother of all Playoffs 2015 - Pounce FTW - 01-06-2016 02:32 PM
Okay, HERE is how we solve it:
8 team playoff
5 P5 champs
2 at-large (can be P5 or G5)
Seed those 1-7
THEN, all of the conference champs that aren't already in the mix play in an Access Jamboree the week after CCGs. One quarter against each of the other teams. It'll be an all-day affair at a neutral site; the team with the best point differential gets the 8th playoff spot.
The New Year's Six serve as quarters and semis.
Fun for everyone.
I'm kind of serious.