Jon Rothstein of College Hoops Today reports:

https://collegehoopstoday.net/rothstein-...25-season/

Eh, too bad. It was fun.

That sucks. That was the last challenge matchup the Big 12 had.

(04-10-2024 09:04 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Jon Rothstein of College Hoops Today reports:

https://collegehoopstoday.net/rothstein-...25-season/

Oh, this is a disappointment. It has been a fun idea, and lately it's only been getting more interesting.

No distributor is going to want to pay the BE a massive deal. Poach the top 4-5 schools and be done with it, be it the ACC or Big 12. Either way, it's a win win. UConn, SJU, SH, Nova, and possibly GTown are the schools I would target. Think the ACC should add them all, using the buyout from FSU/Clemson.

I thought the Big East had decided it wanted to play more out of conference games. Who actually pulled the plug on this idea?

Looking at this year's results, the Big East went 34-28 versus the P5 conferences.

(04-10-2024 09:50 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  No distributor is going to want to pay the BE a massive deal. Poach the top 4-5 schools and be done with it, be it the ACC or Big 12. Either way, it's a win win. UConn, SJU, SH, Nova, and possibly GTown are the schools I would target. Think the ACC should add them all, using the buyout from FSU/Clemson.

Not massive by football standards, but it will probably be pretty good by basketball standards. Unfortunately for your Raid theory, that makes both the ACC and Big 12 unlikely to poach any BE schools at this time. If the ACC is raided, they'll need the extra money to keep others from leaving. The Yormarks will want to keep their powder dry for potential ACC poaching.

Big East coaches have asked to end both this challenge and the Gavitt Games. There is a thought that the risk is greater than the reward. My guess is that the Big 12 coaches feel the same. I know the Big Ten coaches also wanted Gavitt Games ended. With NIL all teams need the non confidence season to gel. I would expect all conference challenges to end in the next few years.

It’s going to be mostly home game, an exempt tournament and then the conference schedule for the P5 in basketball with a few marquee games paid for by the networks.

If the NET can be inflated by doing a bunch of easy home wins and then playing other high NET teams in conference, then it doesn't make much sense to go big out of conference.

(04-10-2024 09:22 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  That sucks. That was the last challenge matchup the Big 12 had.

Wonder if FOX is cooking up a Big 12-Big Ten challenge to rival the SEC-ACC challenge?

(04-10-2024 09:50 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  No distributor is going to want to pay the BE a massive deal. Poach the top 4-5 schools and be done with it, be it the ACC or Big 12. Either way, it's a win win. UConn, SJU, SH, Nova, and possibly GTown are the schools I would target. Think the ACC should add them all, using the buyout from FSU/Clemson.

Leftovers to the MAC...

(04-10-2024 10:57 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 09:22 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  That sucks. That was the last challenge matchup the Big 12 had.

Wonder if FOX is cooking up a Big 12-Big Ten challenge to rival the SEC-ACC challenge?

-Or a Big East/Big Ten Challenge.

(04-10-2024 12:22 PM)chess Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 10:57 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 09:22 AM)Sicembear11 Wrote:  That sucks. That was the last challenge matchup the Big 12 had.

Wonder if FOX is cooking up a Big 12-Big Ten challenge to rival the SEC-ACC challenge?

-Or a Big East/Big Ten Challenge.

Well they had one of those and they dropped it so that wouldn’t make sense.

Interesting and surprising. So that's no Gavitt Games or Big 12 games. My initial reaction is that, given what many of the BE coaches highlighted after Selection Sunday, is that there is now a new awareness of ways to game the NET rankings. Teams can still schedule cupcake (Quad 3/4) home games, blow those teams out, and the metrics aren't radically different than winning by a narrow margin at home against a Quad 2 team (Quad 1's are certainly different, as are the neural site games). At the end of the day, wins matter going into BE play (where all of the games will be high-level, assuming DePaul and Georgetown figure their stuff out). Between the preseason tournaments and individual non-conference rivalry (or special scheduled) games (i.e. Marquette/Wisconsin, Xavier/Cincinnati, Georgetown/Syracuse, Creighton/Nebraska, Hall/Rutgers, etc.), there is no shortage of high-quality non-conference games for the league. Why add-on a conference challenge? It's no longer for resume metrics; it's not for conference prestige. Perhaps it's a small, small outcome for TV, but, again, what's to stop a UConn from scheduling a Kentucky or Duke in non-con? Or a Villanova from scheduling a Michigan State?

I don't think this is a huge deal.

Disappointing. Was looking forward to some UH-UConn or UH-Marquette match ups in the near future.

(04-10-2024 04:41 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Disappointing. Was looking forward to some UH-UConn or UH-Marquette match ups in the near future.

Agree - responsible lies with the NCAA Selection Committee that picked 6 Mountain West teams and only 3 Big East teams and only 4 ACC teams. Had more Big East and ACC teams been selected we’d have better scheduling. Instead the game is now 20+ wins and blowing out poor competition.

(04-10-2024 06:22 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Agree - responsible lies with the NCAA Selection Committee that picked 6 Mountain West teams and only 3 Big East teams and only 4 ACC teams. Had more Big East and ACC teams been selected we’d have better scheduling. Instead the game is now 20+ wins and blowing out poor competition.

And while no one will say as much, the bottom two teams in the standings didn't help the cause.

(04-10-2024 04:41 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  Disappointing. Was looking forward to some UH-UConn or UH-Marquette match ups in the near future.

We played UH last fall, I thought that was an awesome (and regional) nonconference game for both of us. Hopefully the BE schools will take that extra game and play an interesting regional foe instead of another patsy.

(04-10-2024 06:26 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(04-10-2024 06:22 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  Agree - responsible lies with the NCAA Selection Committee that picked 6 Mountain West teams and only 3 Big East teams and only 4 ACC teams. Had more Big East and ACC teams been selected we’d have better scheduling. Instead the game is now 20+ wins and blowing out poor competition.

And while no one will say as much, the bottom two teams in the standings didn't help the cause.

especially DePaul. Most conferences have a bad team like Georgetown.

One problem for the Big East- bad teams impacts are definitely felt more given every single team is guaranteed to play them twice.