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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-19-2024 10:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-19-2024 03:03 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(01-19-2024 03:19 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-18-2024 02:25 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  Mac Brown thinks y'all should have taken Chris Sims.

03-lmfao

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The beginning of Brown’s downfall in Austin. All Applewhite ever did for Texas was win. Sims? Not so much.

I always thought the nonsense surrounding Sims and his daddy was a disservice to Major.

Excellent hire USA!

not even close

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You’re apparently unfamilar with Major’s record as UT’s starting QB and the issues surrounding his competition with Simms. Major (outside of injuries) should never have been benched in favor of Simms.

Note, I’m not making an argument about Major being the best QB in UT’s history. I’m simply stating Major was a winner as a player, which he was. I think his selection to be USA’s next HC was a great decision.

but that was not the start of the downfall of Mack Brown

Mack Brown had Vince and the MNC after Applewhite and he had Colt McCoy and playing for another MNC in 2009

Mack was golden after the 2005 MNC and people had moved past the Applewhite Simms issue and they were way past it after Colt McCoy

if you are going to say that the Applewhite Simms issue was the downfall of Mack Brown well it was really not.......the downfall of Mack Brown was that he was always very poor at evaluating QBs and he was always looking to turn really good QBs into DBs

He also never had a consistent offensive system he let Greg Davis design an offense to go with whatever talent Texas had......but then at the end of it all (well past Applewhite and Simms) Mack was being lazy with recruiting and he was just recruiting *s with no cohesion to anything on offense and he was trying to wrap up recruiting by January (back well before early signing) and that all blew up on him when he had top RBs with a pass blocking Oline and QBs that could scramble some, but the OL was set up to protect the pass.....and receivers that were there for a protected passer not one that was mobile.....and then he lost the magic of getting fired up DC to come in and install a D and keep it fired up and motivated

lastly Mack had a bad habit of making a promise to recruits and then not being able to back out of it......which was the whole Applewhite Simms issue

but again that issue alone was out of everyone's mindset after the MNC in 2005 and after playing for another in 2009

if Mack had been able to keep the DCs coming in, if he had put effort into an offensive system and recruiting to it, and if he had been able to look a signed player in the face and tell them they did not earn a start he would probably still be at Texas or he would be retired with more meaningful victories

it was not the Applewhite Simms issue that got him fired people were long past that.....it was his inability to keep doing the same things that lead up to that which got him fired as well as a few more things he could not stop doing or he could not keep getting around

that issue was a manifestation of the issues with Mack Brown it was not the cause of his issues
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-18-2024 08:12 AM)Cougar Bruiser Wrote:  Lol

I think it’s funny that you’re laughing when he was the best coach you’ve had since Sumlin.
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
Nice hire by USA. It will keep their program relevant at a minimum and maybe a yearly contender if AppleWhite pulls tons of players from the State of Texas.

What is the salary?
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-20-2024 08:18 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Nice hire by USA. It will keep their program relevant at a minimum and maybe a yearly contender if AppleWhite pulls tons of players from the State of Texas.

What is the salary?

$825,000 first year salary. Assistant pool was increased.
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-20-2024 02:20 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(01-19-2024 10:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-19-2024 03:03 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  
(01-19-2024 03:19 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(01-18-2024 02:25 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  Mac Brown thinks y'all should have taken Chris Sims.

03-lmfao

04-bow

The beginning of Brown’s downfall in Austin. All Applewhite ever did for Texas was win. Sims? Not so much.

I always thought the nonsense surrounding Sims and his daddy was a disservice to Major.

Excellent hire USA!

not even close

?

You’re apparently unfamilar with Major’s record as UT’s starting QB and the issues surrounding his competition with Simms. Major (outside of injuries) should never have been benched in favor of Simms.

Note, I’m not making an argument about Major being the best QB in UT’s history. I’m simply stating Major was a winner as a player, which he was. I think his selection to be USA’s next HC was a great decision.

but that was not the start of the downfall of Mack Brown

Mack Brown had Vince and the MNC after Applewhite and he had Colt McCoy and playing for another MNC in 2009

Mack was golden after the 2005 MNC and people had moved past the Applewhite Simms issue and they were way past it after Colt McCoy

if you are going to say that the Applewhite Simms issue was the downfall of Mack Brown well it was really not.......the downfall of Mack Brown was that he was always very poor at evaluating QBs and he was always looking to turn really good QBs into DBs

He also never had a consistent offensive system he let Greg Davis design an offense to go with whatever talent Texas had......but then at the end of it all (well past Applewhite and Simms) Mack was being lazy with recruiting and he was just recruiting *s with no cohesion to anything on offense and he was trying to wrap up recruiting by January (back well before early signing) and that all blew up on him when he had top RBs with a pass blocking Oline and QBs that could scramble some, but the OL was set up to protect the pass.....and receivers that were there for a protected passer not one that was mobile.....and then he lost the magic of getting fired up DC to come in and install a D and keep it fired up and motivated

lastly Mack had a bad habit of making a promise to recruits and then not being able to back out of it......which was the whole Applewhite Simms issue

but again that issue alone was out of everyone's mindset after the MNC in 2005 and after playing for another in 2009

if Mack had been able to keep the DCs coming in, if he had put effort into an offensive system and recruiting to it, and if he had been able to look a signed player in the face and tell them they did not earn a start he would probably still be at Texas or he would be retired with more meaningful victories

it was not the Applewhite Simms issue that got him fired people were long past that.....it was his inability to keep doing the same things that lead up to that which got him fired as well as a few more things he could not stop doing or he could not keep getting around

that issue was a manifestation of the issues with Mack Brown it was not the cause of his issues

03-phew

Who is arguing about the start of Brown’s “downfall” in Austin? The only point (of a quip no less) is that Brown should have hired Simms as HC instead of Applewhite.

Talk about a joke going over your head. 07-coffee3
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(01-20-2024 10:19 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(01-18-2024 08:12 AM)Cougar Bruiser Wrote:  Lol

I think it’s funny that you’re laughing when he was the best coach you’ve had since Sumlin.

It wasn't even Sumlin.. It was cause Case Keenum was the QB that made Sumlin look good.
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(01-18-2024 07:32 PM)T-Dog Wrote:  
(01-18-2024 01:30 PM)warhawk09 Wrote:  The players always want the interim.

I'm Team Never Let The Players Decide. It often doesn't work. Doesn't mean this won't work.

See Chad Lunsford...03-banghead
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-20-2024 08:28 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:18 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Nice hire by USA. It will keep their program relevant at a minimum and maybe a yearly contender if AppleWhite pulls tons of players from the State of Texas.

What is the salary?

$825,000 first year salary. Assistant pool was increased.

The Sun Belt as a whole has to find a way to pay more or we will keep losing coaches to Tulane.
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-22-2024 11:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:28 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:18 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Nice hire by USA. It will keep their program relevant at a minimum and maybe a yearly contender if AppleWhite pulls tons of players from the State of Texas.

What is the salary?

$825,000 first year salary. Assistant pool was increased.

The Sun Belt as a whole has to find a way to pay more or we will keep losing coaches to Tulane.

We do, however, some context is needed.

The highest paid coaches in the SBC are in the 1M range. Tulane is paying Sumrall 3M, and Liberty is paying Chadwell 4M. Those two in particular are far outside of Troy's, and I would guess all Sun Belt schools ability to compete financially for the foreseeable future. A lot of that has to do with the structure of the universities themselves, and for many of us, that's outside of our control. Outside of those two, I don't see any other schools in the G5 poaching Sun Belt head coaches anytime soon, though. Even Memphis is only paying Silverfield 1.75M.

Tulane and Liberty are probably going to be with college football's "in crowd" before anyone else in the G5. They will take what they want for the time being.
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-22-2024 11:36 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 11:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:28 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:18 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Nice hire by USA. It will keep their program relevant at a minimum and maybe a yearly contender if AppleWhite pulls tons of players from the State of Texas.

What is the salary?

$825,000 first year salary. Assistant pool was increased.

The Sun Belt as a whole has to find a way to pay more or we will keep losing coaches to Tulane.

We do, however, some context is needed.

The highest paid coaches in the SBC are in the 1M range. Tulane is paying Sumrall 3M, and Liberty is paying Chadwell 4M. Those two in particular are far outside of Troy's, and I would guess all Sun Belt schools ability to compete financially for the foreseeable future. A lot of that has to do with the structure of the universities themselves, and for many of us, that's outside of our control. Outside of those two, I don't see any other schools in the G5 poaching Sun Belt head coaches anytime soon, though. Even Memphis is only paying Silverfield 1.75M.

Tulane and Liberty are probably going to be with college football's "in crowd" before anyone else in the G5. They will take what they want for the time being.

when the big boys give the final finga bang, youse still think it's still going to matter ... 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-22-2024 09:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 11:36 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 11:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:28 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:18 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Nice hire by USA. It will keep their program relevant at a minimum and maybe a yearly contender if AppleWhite pulls tons of players from the State of Texas.

What is the salary?

$825,000 first year salary. Assistant pool was increased.

The Sun Belt as a whole has to find a way to pay more or we will keep losing coaches to Tulane.

We do, however, some context is needed.

The highest paid coaches in the SBC are in the 1M range. Tulane is paying Sumrall 3M, and Liberty is paying Chadwell 4M. Those two in particular are far outside of Troy's, and I would guess all Sun Belt schools ability to compete financially for the foreseeable future. A lot of that has to do with the structure of the universities themselves, and for many of us, that's outside of our control. Outside of those two, I don't see any other schools in the G5 poaching Sun Belt head coaches anytime soon, though. Even Memphis is only paying Silverfield 1.75M.

Tulane and Liberty are probably going to be with college football's "in crowd" before anyone else in the G5. They will take what they want for the time being.

when the big boys give the final finga bang, youse still think it's still going to matter ... 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

@NIT

I mean, you're not wrong. I'm just stating the facts. We can't compete financially with Liberty or Tulane right now. No sense in sugar coating it. In the end maybe it doesn't matter, but right now things are what they are.
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-23-2024 11:58 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 09:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 11:36 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 11:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:28 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  $825,000 first year salary. Assistant pool was increased.

The Sun Belt as a whole has to find a way to pay more or we will keep losing coaches to Tulane.

We do, however, some context is needed.

The highest paid coaches in the SBC are in the 1M range. Tulane is paying Sumrall 3M, and Liberty is paying Chadwell 4M. Those two in particular are far outside of Troy's, and I would guess all Sun Belt schools ability to compete financially for the foreseeable future. A lot of that has to do with the structure of the universities themselves, and for many of us, that's outside of our control. Outside of those two, I don't see any other schools in the G5 poaching Sun Belt head coaches anytime soon, though. Even Memphis is only paying Silverfield 1.75M.

Tulane and Liberty are probably going to be with college football's "in crowd" before anyone else in the G5. They will take what they want for the time being.

when the big boys give the final finga bang, youse still think it's still going to matter ... 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

@NIT

I mean, you're not wrong. I'm just stating the facts. We can't compete financially with Liberty or Tulane right now. No sense in sugar coating it. In the end maybe it doesn't matter, but right now things are what they are.

XACLY! ... we cannot; nor shouldn't ... that's pied piper bs...

I wasn't doggin' ya ... (li'l background history) I found this site due to timing when the first realignment 'movement' began in '11 ... I laid out the timeline and eventual outcome long ago to ad nauseam (was called everything in the book ... how ya like me now, naysayers) ... it was always inevitable (geo realignment for the rest)...

this is why $$$ need to funneled into facilities/corching vs. NIL drunken sailor bs...

what's really going to be amusing are how the red headed step chillin's deal with the fallout from being left out ... that's when the 'rest' of the shakeout will get interesting ... don't be surprised if the belt goes with a North/South 24 team conglomerate...

regardless, the belt's best move is to invest in that manner vs. playing players ... in the case of the OP, I believe the Jags made a wise and cost-effective decision...

as always, JMTC ... 04-cheers
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-23-2024 12:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-23-2024 11:58 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 09:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 11:36 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 11:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  The Sun Belt as a whole has to find a way to pay more or we will keep losing coaches to Tulane.

We do, however, some context is needed.

The highest paid coaches in the SBC are in the 1M range. Tulane is paying Sumrall 3M, and Liberty is paying Chadwell 4M. Those two in particular are far outside of Troy's, and I would guess all Sun Belt schools ability to compete financially for the foreseeable future. A lot of that has to do with the structure of the universities themselves, and for many of us, that's outside of our control. Outside of those two, I don't see any other schools in the G5 poaching Sun Belt head coaches anytime soon, though. Even Memphis is only paying Silverfield 1.75M.

Tulane and Liberty are probably going to be with college football's "in crowd" before anyone else in the G5. They will take what they want for the time being.

when the big boys give the final finga bang, youse still think it's still going to matter ... 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

@NIT

I mean, you're not wrong. I'm just stating the facts. We can't compete financially with Liberty or Tulane right now. No sense in sugar coating it. In the end maybe it doesn't matter, but right now things are what they are.

XACLY! ... we cannot; nor shouldn't ... that's pied piper bs...

I wasn't doggin' ya ... (li'l background history) I found this site due to timing when the first realignment 'movement' began in '11 ... I laid out the timeline and eventual outcome long ago to ad nauseam (was called everything in the book ... how ya like me now, naysayers) ... it was always inevitable (geo realignment for the rest)...

this is why $$$ need to funneled into facilities/corching vs. NIL drunken sailor bs...

what's really going to be amusing are how the red headed step chillin's deal with the fallout from being left out ... that's when the 'rest' of the shakeout will get interesting ... don't be surprised if the belt goes with a North/South 24 team conglomerate...

regardless, the belt's best move is to invest in that manner vs. playing players ... in the case of the OP, I believe the Jags made a wise and cost-effective decision...

as always, JMTC ... 04-cheers

You are right stink. We have been chasing these guys for years. Further away than ever. Let 'em go. .If i went to stAte games because I thought we will catch these football factories I would have quit years ago. I go because I like football no matter who we play or what conference we are in. Fortunately we stumbled around to the best set up we could have. Let them go and good riddance.

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(01-23-2024 05:54 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(01-23-2024 12:26 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-23-2024 11:58 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 09:35 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(01-22-2024 11:36 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  We do, however, some context is needed.

The highest paid coaches in the SBC are in the 1M range. Tulane is paying Sumrall 3M, and Liberty is paying Chadwell 4M. Those two in particular are far outside of Troy's, and I would guess all Sun Belt schools ability to compete financially for the foreseeable future. A lot of that has to do with the structure of the universities themselves, and for many of us, that's outside of our control. Outside of those two, I don't see any other schools in the G5 poaching Sun Belt head coaches anytime soon, though. Even Memphis is only paying Silverfield 1.75M.

Tulane and Liberty are probably going to be with college football's "in crowd" before anyone else in the G5. They will take what they want for the time being.

when the big boys give the final finga bang, youse still think it's still going to matter ... 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

@NIT

I mean, you're not wrong. I'm just stating the facts. We can't compete financially with Liberty or Tulane right now. No sense in sugar coating it. In the end maybe it doesn't matter, but right now things are what they are.

XACLY! ... we cannot; nor shouldn't ... that's pied piper bs...

I wasn't doggin' ya ... (li'l background history) I found this site due to timing when the first realignment 'movement' began in '11 ... I laid out the timeline and eventual outcome long ago to ad nauseam (was called everything in the book ... how ya like me now, naysayers) ... it was always inevitable (geo realignment for the rest)...

this is why $$$ need to funneled into facilities/corching vs. NIL drunken sailor bs...

what's really going to be amusing are how the red headed step chillin's deal with the fallout from being left out ... that's when the 'rest' of the shakeout will get interesting ... don't be surprised if the belt goes with a North/South 24 team conglomerate...

regardless, the belt's best move is to invest in that manner vs. playing players ... in the case of the OP, I believe the Jags made a wise and cost-effective decision...

as always, JMTC ... 04-cheers

You are right stink. We have been chasing these guys for years. Further away than ever. Let 'em go. .If i went to stAte games because I thought we will catch these football factories I would have quit years ago. I go because I like football no matter who we play or what conference we are in. Fortunately we stumbled around to the best set up we could have. Let them go and good riddance.

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give pause and another moment to the following...

as a simple example (football only), let's say 36-48 top tier schools give the final finga bang to the NCAA ... whatever the leftovers become will follow suit by doing the same ... therefore, it eliminates all the blue/red tape and eliminates their 3rd party worthless crayfishing grubby fk'n mitts from entering the coffer of realized $$$/subords .... the NCAA is only relevant if you play in THEIR SANCTIONED EVENTS .... OUTSIDE OF THAT, THEY HAVE ZERO .... AND I MEAN FK'N 00000 STANDING IN ANY LEGAL SCENARIO....

therefore, it would seem to make the most sense to stay ahead of the curve and build the brand as quickly as possible .... that means inviting the strongest regional schools NOW before it gets ugly....

@24/3or32/4 .... you'd kill it with an East vs. West breakdown if @x2

@loveLeverageGoin'In #sucksOnTTTheTTTailEnd

it's there for the taking ... let's see if the fagoo'd 'hats' manage to solve the 'equation' ... 03-wink
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RE: Major Applewhite - New South Alabama Coach
(01-22-2024 11:11 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:28 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(01-20-2024 08:18 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Nice hire by USA. It will keep their program relevant at a minimum and maybe a yearly contender if AppleWhite pulls tons of players from the State of Texas.

What is the salary?

$825,000 first year salary. Assistant pool was increased.

The Sun Belt as a whole has to find a way to pay more or we will keep losing coaches to Tulane.

We could all go private and start charging $63k in tuition a year.
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