(12-13-2023 04:46 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 02:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 01:41 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 10:44 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 10:39 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  This went from a meaningful debate about NIUs and other universities adopting policies that were counter productive. To becoming a spayed and neutered conversation.

I would suspect it's something way more prosaic than a few diversity classes. Cost, or perception of crime, perhaps reputation of certain programs (rightly judged or not). Could be how the campus looks too - compared to others, when potential students are touring the place. People do care about that.

I don't disagree with you. But I would argue that before we get into extra curriculars, maybe we should focus our efforts into fixing what is foundationally wrong with NIU.

You can employ whatever strategy you want, as long as the strategy works. And currently, our strategy isn't working.

We've been able to make the case that lack of state funding, decreasing state populations, crime and rivaling states offering comparable in state tuition discounts as our issue. But UIC, Illinois and Illinois State have all been able to grow in an adverse environment. So stop making excuses, and fix that damn thing.

There are a couple things that are out of the control of NIU's president and other leaders so I was mentioning those - as they might not be impacting ISU and UIC as much. And actual crime doesn't matter that much, it's the perception of the crime that matters in people deciding what school to go to. And that could be something that ISU suffers from less - I'm sure they're not reporting crimes that happen in Normal on the Chicago nightly news. I am sure there are other factors and it's hard to know what things NIU can actually do.

I would like to know how much NIU is currently getting from the state versus how much they were getting before. Hard to gauge anything without knowing that.

It's not any one thing. But the reason for decline could be driven by a single reason than most.

I think it's collegiate experience. Bring back kegs, let the kids party, and bring back Saturday tailgates. Games on Saturday was more than just about the game being played on Saturday. It was also another reason to party. Football got the party started and going well into the night.

Yea, don't get me started on what they've done to the gameday experience.

(12-13-2023 10:15 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 09:43 AM)Big Red Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 08:50 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2023 07:03 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-12-2023 02:36 PM)Klake1987 Wrote:  Harvard must have FU money. They might have lost $1 billion in donations due to their anti-Semitic stance. Hundreds of teachers signed a letter telling university not to fire President. "Context" of saying it 8s ok to kill Jews.

Anti-semitism and extreme left politics are forever bedfellows, and always have been (e.g., Marx, etc.). It’s part of the playbook.

It is obvious that extreme right tends to be anti-semitic. Part of their platform.

Historically speaking, that isn't true. Every communist government/movement across time from Marx to Hitler to Pol Pot to the KKK...you name it. Was done with a leftist/socialist starting point.

Ku Klux Klan was right wing. They were also anti-semitic. Hitler was right-wing. Also anti-semitic. These people on the right are the ones that are xenophobic. It isn't even just Jews they don't like. They don't want immigrants that don't look like themselves.

"Hitler was right wing" Maybe you can get your money back from your minor in history at NIU!!! Nazi is a synonym of the >>National Socialist German Workers’ Party, or Nazi Party<<

"They don't want immigrants that don't look like themselves." The boogie men "they". You can't/won't/dom't define who they is.

(12-14-2023 05:20 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 04:46 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 02:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 01:41 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 10:44 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  I would suspect it's something way more prosaic than a few diversity classes. Cost, or perception of crime, perhaps reputation of certain programs (rightly judged or not). Could be how the campus looks too - compared to others, when potential students are touring the place. People do care about that.

I don't disagree with you. But I would argue that before we get into extra curriculars, maybe we should focus our efforts into fixing what is foundationally wrong with NIU.

You can employ whatever strategy you want, as long as the strategy works. And currently, our strategy isn't working.

We've been able to make the case that lack of state funding, decreasing state populations, crime and rivaling states offering comparable in state tuition discounts as our issue. But UIC, Illinois and Illinois State have all been able to grow in an adverse environment. So stop making excuses, and fix that damn thing.

There are a couple things that are out of the control of NIU's president and other leaders so I was mentioning those - as they might not be impacting ISU and UIC as much. And actual crime doesn't matter that much, it's the perception of the crime that matters in people deciding what school to go to. And that could be something that ISU suffers from less - I'm sure they're not reporting crimes that happen in Normal on the Chicago nightly news. I am sure there are other factors and it's hard to know what things NIU can actually do.

I would like to know how much NIU is currently getting from the state versus how much they were getting before. Hard to gauge anything without knowing that.

It's not any one thing. But the reason for decline could be driven by a single reason than most.

I think it's collegiate experience. Bring back kegs, let the kids party, and bring back Saturday tailgates. Games on Saturday was more than just about the game being played on Saturday. It was also another reason to party. Football got the party started and going well into the night.

Yea, don't get me started on what they've done to the gameday experience.

+1

(12-13-2023 10:15 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 09:43 AM)Big Red Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 08:50 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2023 07:03 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-12-2023 02:36 PM)Klake1987 Wrote:  Harvard must have FU money. They might have lost $1 billion in donations due to their anti-Semitic stance. Hundreds of teachers signed a letter telling university not to fire President. "Context" of saying it 8s ok to kill Jews.

Anti-semitism and extreme left politics are forever bedfellows, and always have been (e.g., Marx, etc.). It’s part of the playbook.

It is obvious that extreme right tends to be anti-semitic. Part of their platform.

Historically speaking, that isn't true. Every communist government/movement across time from Marx to Hitler to Pol Pot to the KKK...you name it. Was done with a leftist/socialist starting point.

Ku Klux Klan was right wing. They were also anti-semitic. Hitler was right-wing. Also anti-semitic. These people on the right are the ones that are xenophobic. It isn't even just Jews they don't like. They don't want immigrants that don't look like themselves.

Are you living in a alternate Universe? KKK was set up by the Democrat party in the South. Just because the South is trending Red now, you equate this with starting the KKK. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Try looking up the history of Democrat Senator Robert Byrd. He is the mentor to Hillary and Joe, and he basically ran the KKK for years. This is the problem with education teaching what they want to believe to fit a narrative rather than the truth. Get educated a bit before making clearly false statements.

(12-15-2023 08:13 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 10:15 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 09:43 AM)Big Red Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 08:50 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2023 07:03 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Anti-semitism and extreme left politics are forever bedfellows, and always have been (e.g., Marx, etc.). It’s part of the playbook.

It is obvious that extreme right tends to be anti-semitic. Part of their platform.

Historically speaking, that isn't true. Every communist government/movement across time from Marx to Hitler to Pol Pot to the KKK...you name it. Was done with a leftist/socialist starting point.

Ku Klux Klan was right wing. They were also anti-semitic. Hitler was right-wing. Also anti-semitic. These people on the right are the ones that are xenophobic. It isn't even just Jews they don't like. They don't want immigrants that don't look like themselves.

Are you living in a alternate Universe? KKK was set up by the Democrat party in the South. Just because the South is trending Red now, you equate this with starting the KKK. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Try looking up the history of Democrat Senator Robert Byrd. He is the mentor to Hillary and Joe, and he basically ran the KKK for years. This is the problem with education teaching what they want to believe to fit a narrative rather than the truth. Get educated a bit before making clearly false statements.

So you are telling me if a white supremest / KKK member was going to vote today it would democrat because nothing changed in the demographics of each, party, namely in the South?

That when a David Duke comes out to support a Trump, he says little, acts like who is he it’s all a ploy, a set up?

Everyone stop. Mods close this down.

(12-15-2023 01:09 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Everyone stop. Mods close this down.

Agreed. This is completely off the rails.

(12-15-2023 02:04 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 01:09 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Everyone stop. Mods close this down.

Agreed. This is completely off the rails.

not yet. we were just about to get to the game day experience complaints. we've still got game attendance to b!tch about before we hit the Dog Pound Thread trifecta.

(12-15-2023 02:16 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 02:04 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 01:09 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Everyone stop. Mods close this down.

Agreed. This is completely off the rails.

not yet. we were just about to get to the game day experience complaints. we've still got game attendance to b!tch about before we hit the Dog Pound Thread trifecta.

Running out of hot dogs pisses me off.

(12-15-2023 02:17 PM)Klake1987 Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 02:16 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 02:04 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 01:09 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Everyone stop. Mods close this down.

Agreed. This is completely off the rails.

not yet. we were just about to get to the game day experience complaints. we've still got game attendance to b!tch about before we hit the Dog Pound Thread trifecta.

Running out of hot dogs pisses me off.

that was also on the list of things needed. also see: urinal troughs, STF not knowing my or my grandma's name or shoe size.

(12-15-2023 02:30 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 02:17 PM)Klake1987 Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 02:16 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 02:04 PM)HuskieDave Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 01:09 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  Everyone stop. Mods close this down.

Agreed. This is completely off the rails.

not yet. we were just about to get to the game day experience complaints. we've still got game attendance to b!tch about before we hit the Dog Pound Thread trifecta.

Running out of hot dogs pisses me off.

that was also on the list of things needed. also see: urinal troughs, STF not knowing my or my grandma's name or shoe size.

Thank God, it's coming back to normal

(12-15-2023 08:13 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 10:15 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 09:43 AM)Big Red Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 08:50 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2023 07:03 PM)holybovine Wrote:  Anti-semitism and extreme left politics are forever bedfellows, and always have been (e.g., Marx, etc.). It’s part of the playbook.

It is obvious that extreme right tends to be anti-semitic. Part of their platform.

Historically speaking, that isn't true. Every communist government/movement across time from Marx to Hitler to Pol Pot to the KKK...you name it. Was done with a leftist/socialist starting point.

Ku Klux Klan was right wing. They were also anti-semitic. Hitler was right-wing. Also anti-semitic. These people on the right are the ones that are xenophobic. It isn't even just Jews they don't like. They don't want immigrants that don't look like themselves.

Are you living in a alternate Universe? KKK was set up by the Democrat party in the South. Just because the South is trending Red now, you equate this with starting the KKK. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Try looking up the history of Democrat Senator Robert Byrd. He is the mentor to Hillary and Joe, and he basically ran the KKK for years. This is the problem with education teaching what they want to believe to fit a narrative rather than the truth. Get educated a bit before making clearly false statements.

This is a frightening take. Wow.

(12-15-2023 09:56 PM)mattresspolice Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 08:13 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 10:15 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 09:43 AM)Big Red Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 08:50 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  It is obvious that extreme right tends to be anti-semitic. Part of their platform.

Historically speaking, that isn't true. Every communist government/movement across time from Marx to Hitler to Pol Pot to the KKK...you name it. Was done with a leftist/socialist starting point.

Ku Klux Klan was right wing. They were also anti-semitic. Hitler was right-wing. Also anti-semitic. These people on the right are the ones that are xenophobic. It isn't even just Jews they don't like. They don't want immigrants that don't look like themselves.

Are you living in a alternate Universe? KKK was set up by the Democrat party in the South. Just because the South is trending Red now, you equate this with starting the KKK. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Try looking up the history of Democrat Senator Robert Byrd. He is the mentor to Hillary and Joe, and he basically ran the KKK for years. This is the problem with education teaching what they want to believe to fit a narrative rather than the truth. Get educated a bit before making clearly false statements.

This is a frightening take. Wow.

https://youtu.be/ryweuBVJMEA?si=sJDwT9lZNElcKGB3

https://www.newsweek.com/did-joe-biden-a...ck-1823670

(12-16-2023 02:16 AM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 09:56 PM)mattresspolice Wrote:  

(12-15-2023 08:13 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 10:15 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-13-2023 09:43 AM)Big Red Wrote:  Historically speaking, that isn't true. Every communist government/movement across time from Marx to Hitler to Pol Pot to the KKK...you name it. Was done with a leftist/socialist starting point.

Ku Klux Klan was right wing. They were also anti-semitic. Hitler was right-wing. Also anti-semitic. These people on the right are the ones that are xenophobic. It isn't even just Jews they don't like. They don't want immigrants that don't look like themselves.

Are you living in a alternate Universe? KKK was set up by the Democrat party in the South. Just because the South is trending Red now, you equate this with starting the KKK. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Try looking up the history of Democrat Senator Robert Byrd. He is the mentor to Hillary and Joe, and he basically ran the KKK for years. This is the problem with education teaching what they want to believe to fit a narrative rather than the truth. Get educated a bit before making clearly false statements.

This is a frightening take. Wow.

https://youtu.be/ryweuBVJMEA?si=sJDwT9lZNElcKGB3

https://www.newsweek.com/did-joe-biden-a...ck-1823670

Quite remarkable that that video was posted 13 years ago and has garnered exactly zero comments.

This thread may break the record for number of times leaving the rails……ah, probably not.

We should bring maddog back from being banned. Getting ready to watch Ohio against Georgia southern. I only have interest in mid major games. Just like I have 0 iinterest in anything about politics.

(12-16-2023 10:33 AM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  We should bring maddog back from being banned. Getting ready to watch Ohio against Georgia southern. I only have interest in mid major games. Just like I have 0 iinterest in anything about politics.

It's all a mess anyway. Why not?