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Shaver needs PT in blowouts and time to develop. He will be good in time. He is not ready. I don’t think he is going to play a meaningful role for us THIS season.

He does not need 10 consecutive minutes of play in crunch time in a resume building game against a good team where he’s getting absolutely throttled on both sides of the court.

We’ve had 4 bracket buster games. Won 2 of 4. Have 1 left in Nonconference, Drake.

He can find his PT vs Montevallo. We couldn’t put away Alcorn state, not sure it’s worth the risk to play him vs McNeese, USM, or Ark state, either.

(11-26-2023 09:24 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  Have to remember that Coleman played his entire HS career as a guard. Growth spurt happened when he turned 19. Only played front court hoops for 2-3 years, in NAIA and Juco. He’s got lots of growing developmentally to do.

Raw asf still feeling out this level.

Yax just too talented not to make an impact, just getting his feet under him.

Shaver our biggest player, one with a recruiting profile, 2nd best recruiting profile of the bigs. A guy still trying to get off to a start college career wise from multiple injuries.

None really a step ahead of each other, all need the minutes to develope front court and for next season. Nobody sat on a UAB bench and got better from watching they all need the reps. Front court could be a strength, but our top two bigs foul alot. So I guess we want two 6'5 guards in the frontcourt.

It’s year 4. Expectations are ncaa tournament or bust. We can’t drop games in noncon for developmental pieces. We have some opportunities in conference play to get back in at-large bid contention.

If we drop more games now for developmental experiments, we run risk of doing it in conference play vs the ECUs, UTSAs, Rices, USFs.

I’ll gladly play White and Dunning at the 3 or 4 over Shaver getting in at all right now. They aren’t projects, he is.

While Yax and Coleman aren’t crisp, they hustle and are in shape. If JD can catch the ball, he might just be a top 5 big in this league this year.

I mean, coach hinted that Shaver was coming in heavy due to an injury, so he may have to play his way into shape or get a Javian Davis cut going on to get up to speed. He didn't seem quite as lost in his last appearance, from what I remember, but he definitely wasn't comfortable.

Coleman is a great point man on our stretched zone defense, and he is a ball hawk and rebounder when he's up to speed. Offensively, there hasn't been much to report.

Last night felt like a purposeful attempt to get Ortiz going to me. James White has definitely been a better contributor earlier in the season, but it seemed like Ortiz got his minutes instead. You could see visible relief in Ortiz's body language when he finally knocked down the 3-pointer too. No doubt we sorely need a dependable 3-point shooter (who also can defend), but he didn't really kill it last night.

(11-26-2023 11:41 AM)grendelson138 Wrote:  I mean, coach hinted that Shaver was coming in heavy due to an injury, so he may have to play his way into shape or get a Javian Davis cut going on to get up to speed. He didn't seem quite as lost in his last appearance, from what I remember, but he definitely wasn't comfortable.

Coleman is a great point man on our stretched zone defense, and he is a ball hawk and rebounder when he's up to speed. Offensively, there hasn't been much to report.

Last night felt like a purposeful attempt to get Ortiz going to me. James White has definitely been a better contributor earlier in the season, but it seemed like Ortiz got his minutes instead. You could see visible relief in Ortiz's body language when he finally knocked down the 3-pointer too. No doubt we sorely need a dependable 3-point shooter (who also can defend), but he didn't really kill it last night.

Agreed

(11-26-2023 11:44 AM)Rell Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 11:41 AM)grendelson138 Wrote:  I mean, coach hinted that Shaver was coming in heavy due to an injury, so he may have to play his way into shape or get a Javian Davis cut going on to get up to speed. He didn't seem quite as lost in his last appearance, from what I remember, but he definitely wasn't comfortable.

Coleman is a great point man on our stretched zone defense, and he is a ball hawk and rebounder when he's up to speed. Offensively, there hasn't been much to report.

Last night felt like a purposeful attempt to get Ortiz going to me. James White has definitely been a better contributor earlier in the season, but it seemed like Ortiz got his minutes instead. You could see visible relief in Ortiz's body language when he finally knocked down the 3-pointer too. No doubt we sorely need a dependable 3-point shooter (who also can defend), but he didn't really kill it last night.

Agreed

Guy UAB basketball is not very good ,,Memphis will make us look like UAB football defense ,,,,we play nobody very good and we struggle a lot
we will need a miracle in the AAC tournament

(11-26-2023 11:23 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  It’s year 4. Expectations are ncaa tournament or bust. We can’t drop games in noncon for developmental pieces. We have some opportunities in conference play to get back in at-large bid contention.

If we drop more games now for developmental experiments, we run risk of doing it in conference play vs the ECUs, UTSAs, Rices, USFs.

I’ll gladly play White and Dunning at the 3 or 4 over Shaver getting in at all right now. They aren’t projects, he is.

While Yax and Coleman aren’t crisp, they hustle and are in shape. If JD can catch the ball, he might just be a top 5 big in this league this year.

Bingo. This fool rell wants to play shaver minutes at the expense of guys who can actually play RIGHT NOW. Please rewatch the Clemson tape and tell me how shaver helped us win that game? Idiotic. Shaver is a project. He has 3 years here. We are actively hurting the team if we play him in meaningful games this year.

He’s not a fool. We just disagree on one player. That’s Fine. Nothing more to it.

(11-26-2023 12:37 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 11:23 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  It’s year 4. Expectations are ncaa tournament or bust. We can’t drop games in noncon for developmental pieces. We have some opportunities in conference play to get back in at-large bid contention.

If we drop more games now for developmental experiments, we run risk of doing it in conference play vs the ECUs, UTSAs, Rices, USFs.

I’ll gladly play White and Dunning at the 3 or 4 over Shaver getting in at all right now. They aren’t projects, he is.

While Yax and Coleman aren’t crisp, they hustle and are in shape. If JD can catch the ball, he might just be a top 5 big in this league this year.

Bingo. This fool rell wants to play shaver minutes at the expense of guys who can actually play RIGHT NOW. Please rewatch the Clemson tape and tell me how shaver helped us win that game? Idiotic. Shaver is a project. He has 3 years here. We are actively hurting the team if we play him in meaningful games this year.

Dude the all important board goal at large bid was shot at 0-2 imho. The team is still gelling ,7 good core group of guys, very good potential by late season AK recruiting vibe covid wise seem to be a nucleus of core group of guys for two years. Year one of a newish 2yr group.

Nobody's really playing well as they're finding an identity. What guy would you saying is playing well right now. You look at the stats and tell me who guys playing right now really well.. I get yall like small ball but it ain't it like analytics.

Clemson wasn't a win idiot. He look decent against mtsu a win. Could be the glue guy for a lineup of JD,EG,AJ,and Butta easily. Face it at some point we're gonna need him ready. Our 4th big over the past couple seasons average 16 mins I know that was Ehsan and Haase. The minutes are there for him to keep fouls off jD and Yax and actually be allowed to grow with the growing team . Instead we force Ortiz over Dunning and White. For a couple points and a board his best game so far. But IMHO the core 7 with Dunning,White,and Shaver meshing in for 10 man rotation is the best this roster will do. Ortiz steak shooting aint it

(11-26-2023 01:37 PM)Rell Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 12:37 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 11:23 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  It’s year 4. Expectations are ncaa tournament or bust. We can’t drop games in noncon for developmental pieces. We have some opportunities in conference play to get back in at-large bid contention.

If we drop more games now for developmental experiments, we run risk of doing it in conference play vs the ECUs, UTSAs, Rices, USFs.

I’ll gladly play White and Dunning at the 3 or 4 over Shaver getting in at all right now. They aren’t projects, he is.

While Yax and Coleman aren’t crisp, they hustle and are in shape. If JD can catch the ball, he might just be a top 5 big in this league this year.

Bingo. This fool rell wants to play shaver minutes at the expense of guys who can actually play RIGHT NOW. Please rewatch the Clemson tape and tell me how shaver helped us win that game? Idiotic. Shaver is a project. He has 3 years here. We are actively hurting the team if we play him in meaningful games this year.

Dude the all important board goal at large bid was shot at 0-2 imho. The team is still gelling ,7 good core group of guys, very good potential by late season AK recruiting vibe covid wise seem to be a nucleus of core group of guys for two years. Year one of a newish 2yr group.

Nobody's really playing well as they're finding an identity. What guy would you saying is playing well right now. You look at the stats and tell me who guys playing right now really well.. I get yall like small ball but it ain't it like analytics.

Clemson wasn't a win idiot. He look decent against mtsu a win. Could be the glue guy for a lineup of JD,EG,AJ,and Butta easily. Face it at some point we're gonna need him ready. Our 4th big over the past couple seasons average 16 mins I know that was Ehsan and Haase. The minutes are there for him to keep fouls off jD and Yax and actually be allowed to grow with the growing team . Instead we force Ortiz over Dunning and White. For a couple points and a board his best game so far. But IMHO the core 7 with Dunning,White,and Shaver meshing in for 10 man rotation is the best this roster will do. Ortiz steak shooting aint it

Sure. But will the new coach keep them around after HCAK leaves due to our pathetic NIL money?

Will playing 5 minutes since the Clemson game speaks louder than anything written on here. He was put in a bad spot by AK and it hurt us. Don't blame the kid. He is a project and doesn't need to play when the game is remotely close.

I like the way our front court players have improved under AK. Hopefully by next season Will can be a contributor. I'm familiar with this kid so please don't be too harsh. Good kid, good family. Dad played at BSC.

(11-26-2023 02:18 PM)blazr Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 01:37 PM)Rell Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 12:37 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 11:23 AM)UABFAN23 Wrote:  It’s year 4. Expectations are ncaa tournament or bust. We can’t drop games in noncon for developmental pieces. We have some opportunities in conference play to get back in at-large bid contention.

If we drop more games now for developmental experiments, we run risk of doing it in conference play vs the ECUs, UTSAs, Rices, USFs.

I’ll gladly play White and Dunning at the 3 or 4 over Shaver getting in at all right now. They aren’t projects, he is.

While Yax and Coleman aren’t crisp, they hustle and are in shape. If JD can catch the ball, he might just be a top 5 big in this league this year.

Bingo. This fool rell wants to play shaver minutes at the expense of guys who can actually play RIGHT NOW. Please rewatch the Clemson tape and tell me how shaver helped us win that game? Idiotic. Shaver is a project. He has 3 years here. We are actively hurting the team if we play him in meaningful games this year.

Dude the all important board goal at large bid was shot at 0-2 imho. The team is still gelling ,7 good core group of guys, very good potential by late season AK recruiting vibe covid wise seem to be a nucleus of core group of guys for two years. Year one of a newish 2yr group.

Nobody's really playing well as they're finding an identity. What guy would you saying is playing well right now. You look at the stats and tell me who guys playing right now really well.. I get yall like small ball but it ain't it like analytics.

Clemson wasn't a win idiot. He look decent against mtsu a win. Could be the glue guy for a lineup of JD,EG,AJ,and Butta easily. Face it at some point we're gonna need him ready. Our 4th big over the past couple seasons average 16 mins I know that was Ehsan and Haase. The minutes are there for him to keep fouls off jD and Yax and actually be allowed to grow with the growing team . Instead we force Ortiz over Dunning and White. For a couple points and a board his best game so far. But IMHO the core 7 with Dunning,White,and Shaver meshing in for 10 man rotation is the best this roster will do. Ortiz steak shooting aint it

Sure. But will the new coach keep them around after HCAK leaves due to our pathetic NIL money?

I would hope so, I would have 20 names 5 from different levels of basketball on a sheet in my desk if I were Ingram. Probably hire the JuCo NC HC as a coach.

(11-26-2023 02:46 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Will playing 5 minutes since the Clemson games speaks louder than anything written on here. He was put in a bad spot by AK and it hurt us. Don't blame the kid. He is a project and doesn't need to play when the game is remotely close.

I like the way our front court players have improved under AK. Hopefully by next season Will can be a contributor. I'm familiar with this kid so don't be too harsh please. Good kid, good family. Dad played at BSC. He's an intelligent guy with a big body. I'm hoping AK can turn him into a force.

I see the potential, he was set along ways back. Possible 2nd rounder still imho. He needs to play alot of basketball just to get back in rhythm.

Shaver has been fine in spot minutes. Shaver doesn’t need to play 10-15 minutes straight as he did against Clemson. Even if he came in for each of the other bigs for 2 minute spells before they eventually fouled out, it would have allowed us to not play him for that many minutes in a row. I was never in the boat of play 10 minutes without a big, but I do feel like we could have put a smaller lineup out there for 1-2 minutes spurts to give Shaver a couple breathers.

I don’t think our at large bid was shot at 0-2, that’s really short sighted in my mind. If we can get out of the OOC with 3 losses or fewer, I think it was successful enough. We are going to need a good conference run too, but it’s possible more so than in prior years.

AK likes to play 8. If you look at box score from last night it is not hard to figure out who those 8 will be.

I still think there will be opportunities for White and Dunning to get some minutes

Yep, and I don’t think there’s many small forwards on our schedule that can hang with Dunning.