(09-27-2023 04:28 PM)XLance Wrote: (09-27-2023 03:30 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote: Funny how these insiders claim in the same posts that SC opposes Clemson and that Clemson has a found a way out of the ACC and will announce it in October. It's like being alive and dead at the same time.
Clemson can not leave for the Big 10 prior to the mid 2030's. ESPN is not going to allow it. ESPN might allow them and 3-4-5 others from the ACC to move from the ACC to the SEC but ESPN has to be willing to pay for it and hold the existing ACC members harmless.
The biggest difference between ACC schools is who is fully private, who is partially private, and who is fully public.
Fully public means the vast majority of your students come from in State and that your governing board is not self perpetuating.
UNC and NC State are the most public followed by Louisville, FSU, and VT.
The governor or legislature appoints these boards and they are all 80% or more in state students.
Clemson is public on paper but controls it's own board and admits only 64% from South Carolina.
GT does not control its board, but only 60% of the students come from Georgia.
Pitt controls its board and only 65% of the students come from Pa.
Only 68% of UVa students come from Va.
84% of Duke students are out of state.
75% of Wake students are out of state.
64% of Syracuse students are out of state.
63% of Miami students are from out of state.
75% of BC students are from out of state
It could be that ESPN wants to turn a smaller ACC into the de facto Magnolia League populated with private and quasi-private schools. If they don't cut the money to the existing schools they probably can do that.
So are you saying that there could be a 14 team ACC and a 20 team SEC?
ACC
Cal, Stanford, SMU, Tulane, Miami, GT, Clemson, Duke, Wake Forest, UVa, Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Vanderbilt.
SEC
FSU, Fla, Ga, SC, NC, NCSU VT, Ky, Tenn, Louis, Auburn, Ala, Ole Miss, MSU, LSU, Ark, Mizzou, OU, Texas, A&M
Yes, especially just for football.
But more like the old Southern Conference and the long proposed Magnolia Conference for football. You would pull Vandy out of the big boy division for sure but you may need to pull UK and Mizzou as well. No one should be in the big boy division who can't win a POD/Division.
Texas, TAMU, OU, LSU, Bama, Auburn, FSU, UF, Tennessee, UGa, and Clemson are big boy solid with FSU being the stadium runt of the litter. Do you add Miami to make 12?
What you actually do with Arkansas, Mizzou, Louisville, UK, NC State, UNC, VT, SC, MSU, and Ole Miss is a bit of a quandary. None of these can be a regular contender against the above group of 10. Would you add USF here?
Then you have BC, Pitt, UVa, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, Vandy, and Stanford. Do you add Kansas and Tulane here?
Perhaps you have three divisions and call the constructs, SEC, ACC, and Magnolia.
The 12 team super division could split into 2 divisions, and play a 5-2 division schedule leaving 5 non super division openings of which 2 would be against the middle, and one always against a bottom team.
An Alabama would have TAMU, OU, Texas, LSU, Auburn every year. They would then play two of FSU/Miami, UGa/TN, and Clemson/Florida. They might play Ole Miss and MSU most years from the middle. They might play Vandy or GT most years from the bottom.
They maintain the schedule their home crowd likes.
Vandy conversely would have Tulane, Cal, Stanford, SMU, and GT. Then two of Arkansas/Mizzou, Louisville/UK, Ole Miss/MSU, NC State/UNC, VT/SC and then two big boys say Tennessee every year, and a rotation of Bama, Texas, and UGa. Again a schedule their home crowd recognizes in a division they can win.
But this requires schools to accept certain ceilings that were put into place 30-60-80 years ago.
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Conf Realignment - Is Clemson really trying to do the DAMN Thing?!
